Cue weight

worriedbeef

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i'm planning on getting a new cue soon and was wondering if anyone can provide any advice/insights regarding the weight.

I've heard that a heavier cue is better because it helps keep your cueing straighter and steadier. I suppose that makes logical sense.

and is there much noticeable difference between an 18oz cue and say a 21oz one anyway.

thanks.
 
worriedbeef said:
I've heard that a heavier cue is better because it helps keep your cueing straighter and steadier. I suppose that makes logical sense.
I've heard the same thing. I think it makes sense from an inertia point of view, but people have different strength levels and so, holding and stroking a 21 oz cue over and over might be taxing to some players.

and is there much noticeable difference between an 18oz cue and say a 21oz one anyway..
Big difference, IMO. There's also a big difference if the balance point is, say 17" from the butt end of a 58" cue compared to 19" from the same point.

Fred
 
worriedbeef said:
i'm planning on getting a new cue soon and was wondering if anyone can provide any advice/insights regarding the weight.

I've heard that a heavier cue is better because it helps keep your cueing straighter and steadier. I suppose that makes logical sense.

and is there much noticeable difference between an 18oz cue and say a 21oz one anyway.

thanks.
I'd say get one with adjustable weight bolts. Some people don't think that is as pure, but it allows you to hone in on what works for you. For years before owning my own cue, I'd always search the racks for a 21 oz house cue. Then I started playing with different weight cues going as light as 18 oz, I'm kind of settling in at about 19.5 + or - right now. I think that is going to resolve to the right place FOR ME.
There is a noticable difference between an 18 oz and a 21 oz, but that is not to say one end or the other of the spectrum is right for everybody. You've got to find what's right for you.
Also as Fred mentioned the balance point greatly effects the feel of the cue, you might have to buy and sell a few to get exactly what you want. Or like me you could just buy them, never selling. :D Maybe so of them will prove valuable for my grand kids (if i ever have any).
 
I like a heavier cue just becuase I let the weight of the cue do the work. I don't have to stroke the cue as hard to get the same results. JMO
 
worriedbeef said:
is there much noticeable difference between an 18oz cue and say a 21oz one anyway.

thanks.

There are # OZ Difference between 18 oz, ansd 21 oz...:D :D But on a Serious I prefer a lighter Cue. Most of my Cues weight between 18.4-18.75 OZ:) :)

The Reason I personally thing Lighter is beter is i seem to have More Ball Control with a Cue LESS than 19 OZ.


Have a Friend who plays Well with his 22 OZ "War Club" as I call the Cue. I have Tried the "War Club", and find I just tend to hit to hard with it...:D :D
 
21 ounces

I started out playing on bar boxes and alwasy used a 21, it felt perfect to me. I used this set up for several years until about 2 years ago.

I got serious and started to play in an 8 ball league on 8 foot tables. I noticed that I would always leave the cue ball just a little further out of possition than I wanted. I stroked the ball great, and put it in the general area I wanted to put it in, but it always went a little too far.

I noticed most of the players in my league that had excellant ball control used between 18 - 19. So I had my McDermott weighted down to 18.5. I used it for about 6 weeks before someone said, "man your cue ball control is getting much better." So needless to say I am sold on the lighter cue now.

I have tried 16 - 21, and for me 18 - 19 seems to be the best for me. I know a guy in my league that is excellant with a 21 though.

Yes you can tell the difference if your an avid pool player. So try a few different weights and see what you feel comfortable with.

As far as 21ounce making your stroke better, that is bull. My stroke is the same with a 16 or a 21 ounce. The cue weight doesn't make me stroke the ball any better. The stoke is all on you!
 
With a heavier cue it is more difficult to shoot slow safety shots [in my opinion].

And with a very light cue, it can be difficult to shoot very fast shots.

Several years ago I looked at what the pros use. It was all over the place so far as weight goes. But 19.5 seemed to be in the middle of what they use - seemed to be most common.

So that is what I got, 19.5 oz. And this weight is a happy medium for me. I can shoot very fast shots as well as very slow shots.
 
Last Suggestion is to Try out a Lot of Cues with Different Weights, fine the Weight you like, and go with it.

Many Cuemakes use a Weight Bolt System, so you can Weight up the Cue, or Down Weight it...
 
weight distribution vs weight

I suggest that you consider weight distribution as carefully as weight. These are inseparable issues. Most people cannot guess the actual weight of a cue if the distribution is different from what they are accustomed to hitting. Consider whether you prefer the weight in your rear hand or on your bridge hand or evenly distributed. There are a lot of cue people who employ interchangeable weight bolts. While the convenience of this is appealing, do not forget to consider distribution. Weight bolts are primarily a convenience to the manufacturer. Determine your preference; don't worry too much about whether this cue will solve issues outside of becoming a reliable tool. This is yet another area to which you must learn to adapt. Here are some other preference issues you may want to consider:

weight
length
balance point
diameter of grip
diameter of tip
Shaft taper
kick point

It is my opinion that these are the primary considerations.

Hope this helps.

Andy Bruce
 
txplshrk said:
I started out playing on bar boxes and alwasy used a 21, it felt perfect to me. I used this set up for several years until about 2 years ago.

I got serious and started to play in an 8 ball league on 8 foot tables. I noticed that I would always leave the cue ball just a little further out of possition than I wanted. I stroked the ball great, and put it in the general area I wanted to put it in, but it always went a little too far.

I noticed most of the players in my league that had excellant ball control used between 18 - 19. So I had my McDermott weighted down to 18.5. I used it for about 6 weeks before someone said, "man your cue ball control is getting much better." So needless to say I am sold on the lighter cue now.

I have tried 16 - 21, and for me 18 - 19 seems to be the best for me. I know a guy in my league that is excellant with a 21 though.

Yes you can tell the difference if your an avid pool player. So try a few different weights and see what you feel comfortable with.

As far as 21ounce making your stroke better, that is bull. My stroke is the same with a 16 or a 21 ounce. The cue weight doesn't make me stroke the ball any better. The stoke is all on you!



I too used to shoot with a 21 oz cue. Last year I changed to 19oz (My break cue is even lighter @ 18oz). I immediately jumped my game up a notch or two by using the lighter cue. I then promptly kicked myself in the @$$ for not doing it sooner. I suppose that's a result of my Irish stubborness. - LOL.

I can't speak for what you will like personally, but I can say there are a lot of people on this forum that are extremely knowledgeable and I have no doubt you will receive much feedback that will answer your question. I also agree with Hittman: I think weight distribution is equally important as weight choice.

There are also many excellent cue makers here on this forum who should be able to set you up with an awesome cue. I am sure you could answer a few basic questions and have a cue made specifically for you that you will absolutely love. Maybe ask around about the different cue makers here.

Just a thought. Good Luck.
Craig
 
worriedbeef said:
i'm planning on getting a new cue soon and was wondering if anyone can provide any advice/insights regarding the weight.

I've heard that a heavier cue is better because it helps keep your cueing straighter and steadier. I suppose that makes logical sense.

and is there much noticeable difference between an 18oz cue and say a 21oz one anyway.

thanks.
Most players who have ordered custom cues from me request a cue around 19 oz give or take a little. However, I have had orders from more than one serious tournament player in the 20 oz range. And yes, it is a very noticeable difference.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
Somebody who sells cues for a living told me that most of the medium and higher value cues he sells are between 19 and 20 oz.
 
HittMan said:
Here are some other preference issues you may want to consider:

weight
length
balance point
diameter of grip
diameter of tip
Shaft taper
kick point

It is my opinion that these are the primary considerations.

Hope this helps.

Andy Bruce

What is the kick point?
 
Worriedbeef says, "I've heard that a heavier cue is better because it helps keep your cueing straighter and steadier. I suppose that makes logical sense."

The "straightening" effect of a three-ounce difference in cue mass is trivial. It takes very little force to overcome a cue's inertial resistance to sideways motion enough to spoil one's aim. For one thing, the bridge acts as a fulcrum, greatly reducing the amount of force that must be applied at the handle in order to move the cue tip sideways a given distance. Just take a few practice strokes with 18 and 21 oz. cues, and see if you can detect any difference in the effort required to pivot the cue tip away from the cue ball's center.

Billy_Bob says, "with a very light cue, it can be difficult to shoot very fast shots."

I don't see why that would be the case. More of the force that accelerates the cue is wasted in overcoming the heavier cue's greater inertia, leaving less force to be transferred to the cue ball.

The difference in inertia between a lighter and heavier cue is most significant along the cue's axis, because all of the cue's mass is resisting change of its speed in the same direction. So it is noticeably easier to apply a precise amount of force to the cue ball with an 18 oz. cue than a 21 oz. cue, giving one better control of the cue ball's velocity.

The distribution of mass in a cue, as measured by its balance point, affects the cue tip's tendency to move up and down during a stroke. The tip of a butt-heavy cue will tend to rise as the relatively great mass behind the bridge point pulls the butt down. The tip of a forward-weighted cue will tend to fall as the far end of the cue extends further past the bridge point, because more mass gets out there pulling the tip down.

Alstl says, "Somebody who sells cues for a living told me that most of the medium and higher value cues he sells are between 19 and 20 oz."

I suspect that is a function of the materials that go into a fancy cue: dense tropical hardwoods, ivory, semiprecious stones, metals, etc. If you buy such cues, you get accustomed to such weight ranges. Yes, a butt's mass can be reduced by coring and other techniques, but there's a limit to how much mass one can eliminate without turning an ebony butt into an ebony veneer. I suspect that limit is around a 19 oz. total weight.

During four decades of playing, I've become adapted to cues of around 18 oz., with a balance point about two inches ahead of the wrap area. The butts of my cues have very little mass-adding adornment. I like the simple, elegant look of fine woods. Plus, they're cheaper. :-)
 
Dhakala said:
The distribution of mass in a cue, as measured by its balance point, affects the cue tip's tendency to move up and down during a stroke. The tip of a butt-heavy cue will tend to rise as the relatively great mass behind the bridge point pulls the butt down. The tip of a forward-weighted cue will tend to fall as the far end of the cue extends further past the bridge point, because more mass gets out there pulling the tip down.

The tip's tendency to move up or down is a function of where the stroking arm is in its pendulum motion. Assuming a level stroke is being used, If the cue contacts the before the arm is perpendicular to the floor, the tip will be moving upward and forward at time of contact. If contact occurs after the arm is perpendicular to the floor, the tip will be moving forward and downward.
 
Weight of the cue

When I started playing to really learn how to play, I started out using a cue that weighed 19 3/4 ounces. I had very little ability to stroke the ball well at that time. Some of the old timers would watch how I played and told me if I really wanted to learn to develope a great stroke, use a lighter cue. Using a lighter cue makes you stroke the ball, and not be dependent on the weight of the cue to do the work of moving the cueball around the table. Most of the old timers who were great at billiards almost all played with cues under 17 ounces. I have played with cues as light as 16 ounces. I have now been using cues that weigh 18.2to 18.3 ounces for almost twenty years now. If I use a cue that is heavier, I really need to work hard to keep from sending the cue ball too far past where I want it. Good luck in your search for YOUR perfect weight.
 
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worriedbeef said:
i'm planning on getting a new cue soon and was wondering if anyone can provide any advice/insights regarding the weight.

I've heard that a heavier cue is better because it helps keep your cueing straighter and steadier. I suppose that makes logical sense.

and is there much noticeable difference between an 18oz cue and say a 21oz one anyway.

thanks.

Some people struggle swinging a heavy cue. For them lighter is better. I wouldn't be concerned with what others play with. The difference is pitch black and day time between those weights. I can detect a 1/4 ounce or less and 1/2 ounce is huge for me.

Rod
 
Would the difference be noticable?

For the more experienced players on AZ; If a player is accustomed to a 19.8 oz playing cue,would adjusting to a well balanced 20 oz. cue be a major probem? Also it seems,and i believe Mr. Madden made reference to this,that several high level players seem to use heavy cues.Is there a reason or just what they are used to?M.S.
 
You just have to experiment because each player is very different.

After playing for any length of time (hours) with a cue that's too heavy you will struggle (as Rod said) a little to get a good smooth stroke and you will force a cue that's too light for you. Even a slight weight problem can cost you balls and even 1 is way too many.

Most cues may feel great when you pick them up for a few minutes, but time tells the story.

Just my thoughts on this :)
 
when im playing out of stroke and i can visualy see my stroke has a bit of sidways motion to it il put a 3 oz weight in my cue for an hour or so. it helps me stroke straight when im not in stroke. once i start feeling better about my stroke and im stroking better il take it out. all in all...a heavier cue is more forgiving on a bad stroke and a lighter cue is more comfortable when in stroke IMO...
Jay
 
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