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I think we need to have a standard evaluation sheet that everyone who examines any of the 7 cues should use to record their evaluations. I don't think evaluators should get to look at cue #2 until they hand in a completed sheet on cue #1.
Here’s my 1st draft of such a document. Please let me know what you think, what I left off, and what needs to be improved. I think once we have a decent document we should pass it by all 7 cuemakers to make sure it’s covering what they would like to hear as well.
Date _______________________
Name _______________________
Number of Years Playing Pool ________
Playing Ability (A+ through D) ________
Cue # _______________________
For the following questions, circle the number that best represents your thoughts on this cue on the continuum from Poor=1 to Perfect=10
Overall Attractiveness
Fit & Finish
Quality of Hit
Balance
Taper of Shaft
Quality of Sound
Overall Score
Comments:
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The form would look much better, it's just that the formatting capabilities on AZB (or my knowledge of them) aren't great. Let me know what you think.
I think we need to have a standard evaluation sheet that everyone who examines any of the 7 cues should use to record their evaluations. I don't think evaluators should get to look at cue #2 until they hand in a completed sheet on cue #1.
Here’s my 1st draft of such a document. Please let me know what you think, what I left off, and what needs to be improved. I think once we have a decent document we should pass it by all 7 cuemakers to make sure it’s covering what they would like to hear as well.
Date _______________________
Name _______________________
Number of Years Playing Pool ________
Playing Ability (A+ through D) ________
Cue # _______________________
For the following questions, circle the number that best represents your thoughts on this cue on the continuum from Poor=1 to Perfect=10
Overall Attractiveness
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Fit & Finish
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Quality of Hit
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Balance
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Taper of Shaft
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Quality of Sound
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Overall Score
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10
Comments:
__________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
The form would look much better, it's just that the formatting capabilities on AZB (or my knowledge of them) aren't great. Let me know what you think.
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I’ve been thinking more about how to manage the evaluation process. I’d like to withdraw my idea for the $10 charge to separate out those who are serious from those who aren’t. I’ve changed my mind on this as I think it gives the whole thing a bad feel, something I hadn’t intended.
I have a couple questions for all of you, and then another idea.
These questions pertain to group evaluations done by AZBers who meet up at a pool hall at the date and time designated by the Host. Other evaluations, by the host himself or by his friends and associates are a different matter.
How long should each person get with each cue in order to have an adequate opportunity to make an evaluation?
How many people do you think can be on a table evaluating a cue at the same time? Obviously one would be ideal, but that means we’ll have to take up 7 tables at the same time, to evaluate the 7 cues in parallel. That’s a lot to ask of any pool room. Also, the more spread out the evaluators are, the more difficult it will be to maintain any control over the cues.
Do you agree that a standard eval sheet should be used?
Do you agree that the cues should not be used for breaking?
A friend of mine had an idea that if enough people showed up, a small & fast tournament could be held, with a $10 or $15 entry, with the prize money all going toward the purchase of a duplicate cue of the winner’s choice. The info could be passed on to QBuilder, who could route t to the cuemaker selected.
At first I liked the idea, but the more I think about it the more difficulties I see. Since I told him I’d ask, I am.
1 The host would have to run a tournament, no small effort
2 Suppose the winner doesn’t really want one of the cues?
3 There’s no guarantee that the replacement cue will hit just like the original
4 I for one don’t really want to get in the middle of someone else’s financial transaction.
5 Cuemaker may not want to build another like this in a hurry, there may be a long wait.
I’d like to hear what you all think about this idea? Is it too much trouble for too little benefit?
I have a couple questions for all of you, and then another idea.
These questions pertain to group evaluations done by AZBers who meet up at a pool hall at the date and time designated by the Host. Other evaluations, by the host himself or by his friends and associates are a different matter.
How long should each person get with each cue in order to have an adequate opportunity to make an evaluation?
How many people do you think can be on a table evaluating a cue at the same time? Obviously one would be ideal, but that means we’ll have to take up 7 tables at the same time, to evaluate the 7 cues in parallel. That’s a lot to ask of any pool room. Also, the more spread out the evaluators are, the more difficult it will be to maintain any control over the cues.
Do you agree that a standard eval sheet should be used?
Do you agree that the cues should not be used for breaking?
A friend of mine had an idea that if enough people showed up, a small & fast tournament could be held, with a $10 or $15 entry, with the prize money all going toward the purchase of a duplicate cue of the winner’s choice. The info could be passed on to QBuilder, who could route t to the cuemaker selected.
At first I liked the idea, but the more I think about it the more difficulties I see. Since I told him I’d ask, I am.
1 The host would have to run a tournament, no small effort
2 Suppose the winner doesn’t really want one of the cues?
3 There’s no guarantee that the replacement cue will hit just like the original
4 I for one don’t really want to get in the middle of someone else’s financial transaction.
5 Cuemaker may not want to build another like this in a hurry, there may be a long wait.
I’d like to hear what you all think about this idea? Is it too much trouble for too little benefit?
Grampa000 said:
I will put out the sheet we have to evaluate the cues this week for everyone to look at and see what needs to be added or taken away from it.
Grandpa, I think your making this 2 hard
You can do what you want at your local pool hall. But for my pool hall, I know everyone that is there, and there will be absolutely no issues about trust with the people that I will let evaluate the cues. There are about 15 people that I am going to let them play with each cue, and each one of them I have known for a long time and they will be honest, and respectful of the cues. I am not going to charge anyone anything to hit with the cues since I think that will possibly knock out some people that I feel may have an interest in possibly buying a custom cue in the future.
When I go to Tulsa to Magoos, I will either eent 1 or 2 tables on the back side of the place, and SK Custom cues, duane remick...and any other AZers that want to participate that can come to Magoos will be allowed to test them out also. I plan on being at Magoos for a few hrs...so whoever (that we feel can be trusted) can shoot with the cues.
I will have the cues for approx 4-5 days to give me enough time to get a really good feel for each cue. Then will ship them on to the next person.
And like I have stated before, if I can get the cues back in time, I will take them to the World Classic at Moody Gardens in Galveston Tx on Sept 11-20th
http://www.theworldclassic.com/
There, I will probably charge to test hit the cues and have my laptop so people can enter their info in real time...This is not set in stone but it is definately do-able :thumbup:
Hope this all helps and sorry for not posting sooner...
Thanks everyone that is participating in one way or another....this is gonna be a fun thing for us and Az :thumbup:
Goodness gracious!!
I don't think I could handle looking at a bunch of high end cues all at one time without cackling something about me ruling the world now.
Disclaimer / Waiver
Shawn, I am reading some of these posts and it seems as if there could potentially be some huge turnout at some of the pool halls. If it were me and I was hosting the 'try-out-a-cue' at a tournament or something, I would definitely have each person fill out their name, driver's license info, and put down a credit card number or something just in case.
I worked at a golf course and we 'demoed' clubs to customers. I can't tell you how much they got abused. These cues would be in essence, 'rented out' to each person and I can see the habits of players as we speak.
Raking in balls, dings against the table, and so on.
I am suggesting creating some sort of pre-sign up sheet including personal info with a waiver at the bottom negating any liability for you and also insuring the cue 'just in case'. A pre inspection from tip to bumper is also suggested for those signing in.
I am suggesting this with a ton of people in mind, at, let's say, a tournament, not necessarily a 'circle of friends'. If it was say, just u me and Duane, or maybe Buddy Hall, that is different. We have a high level of mutual respect for one another, so it's understood that you have the utmost respect for each other's cue. Some people, (no, many people) unfortunately do not feel the same way.
I will put out the sheet we have to evaluate the cues this week for everyone to look at and see what needs to be added or taken away from it.
Grandpa, I think your making this 2 hard
I am not going to charge anyone anything to hit with the cues since I think that will possibly knock out some people that I feel may have an interest in possibly buying a custom cue in the future.
When I go to Tulsa to Magoos, I will either eent 1 or 2 tables on the back side of the place, and SK Custom cues, duane remick...and any other AZers that want to participate that can come to Magoos will be allowed to test them out also. I plan on being at Magoos for a few hrs...so whoever (that we feel can be trusted) can shoot with the cues.
I will have the cues for approx 4-5 days to give me enough time to get a really good feel for each cue. Then will ship them on to the next person.
And like I have stated before, if I can get the cues back in time, I will take them to the World Classic at Moody Gardens in Galveston Tx on Sept 11-20th
http://www.theworldclassic.com/
There, I will probably charge to test hit the cues and have my laptop so people can enter their info in real time...This is not set in stone but it is definately do-able :thumbup:
Hope this all helps and sorry for not posting sooner...
Thanks everyone that is participating in one way or another....this is gonna be a fun thing for us and Az :thumbup:
Shawn, I am reading some of these posts and it seems as if there could potentially be some huge turnout at some of the pool halls. If it were me and I was hosting the 'try-out-a-cue' at a tournament or something, I would definitely have each person fill out their name, driver's license info, and put down a credit card number or something just in case.
I worked at a golf course and we 'demoed' clubs to customers. I can't tell you how much they got abused. These cues would be in essence, 'rented out' to each person and I can see the habits of players as we speak.
Raking in balls, dings against the table, and so on.
I am suggesting creating some sort of pre-sign up sheet including personal info with a waiver at the bottom negating any liability for you and also insuring the cue 'just in case'. A pre inspection from tip to bumper is also suggested for those signing in.
I am suggesting this with a ton of people in mind, at, let's say, a tournament, not necessarily a 'circle of friends'. If it was say, just u me and Duane, or maybe Buddy Hall, that is different. We have a high level of mutual respect for one another, so it's understood that you have the utmost respect for each other's cue. Some people, (no, many people) unfortunately do not feel the same way.
SK Cues, that was exactly what I was thinking when I first brought up the topic of managing the eval sessions.
I fully expect to have several private sessions with friends, but to be fair to AZers I thought it only appropriate to hold some sessions specifically for them. The problem is that I don't know the AZers in the Tampa Bay area, so they'll be strangers to me. I didn't mean to impugn anyone's integrity, but if I'm to be on the hook for the cues while they're in my care I want to be darn sure that nothing happens to them.
I also wanted to make sure that as many people from AZB who wanted to participate got a chance to do so. That might mean quite a few people show up at once. I don't know for sure but it seems to me that each of these people would need a table to shoot on while testing, and even if 2 people shared a table that means 4 tables. If people wanted their own table then 7 tables in use and it could very easily get out of hand when I don't know anyone.
Beware_of_Dawg has graciously offered to assist me during these sessions and I thankfully accepted his offer. I should be fine and I'm probably just being an old biddy. I just thought having a process might be something we could get out of the way before cues get shipped. If others won't need that, good for them. I'm sorry if I'm making this too complicated but it was done with the best of intentions, i.e., offering up the eval opportunity to as many AZers as wanted to participate
I know I'm going to be very busy for the few days I have these cues, since if I don't offer up an opportunity to all my pool buddies I'll never hear he end of it. That means doing an eval at a number of different places. It's hell having friends sometimes.:wink:
I fully expect to have several private sessions with friends, but to be fair to AZers I thought it only appropriate to hold some sessions specifically for them. The problem is that I don't know the AZers in the Tampa Bay area, so they'll be strangers to me. I didn't mean to impugn anyone's integrity, but if I'm to be on the hook for the cues while they're in my care I want to be darn sure that nothing happens to them.
I also wanted to make sure that as many people from AZB who wanted to participate got a chance to do so. That might mean quite a few people show up at once. I don't know for sure but it seems to me that each of these people would need a table to shoot on while testing, and even if 2 people shared a table that means 4 tables. If people wanted their own table then 7 tables in use and it could very easily get out of hand when I don't know anyone.
Beware_of_Dawg has graciously offered to assist me during these sessions and I thankfully accepted his offer. I should be fine and I'm probably just being an old biddy. I just thought having a process might be something we could get out of the way before cues get shipped. If others won't need that, good for them. I'm sorry if I'm making this too complicated but it was done with the best of intentions, i.e., offering up the eval opportunity to as many AZers as wanted to participate
I know I'm going to be very busy for the few days I have these cues, since if I don't offer up an opportunity to all my pool buddies I'll never hear he end of it. That means doing an eval at a number of different places. It's hell having friends sometimes.:wink:
I'm confident that it will go off without a hitch. The people I know that would have an interest in participating are very good friends I would trust with virtually anything. They have my back. Theres nothing happening to those cues on our watch.
Im in!
I would love for something like this to happen! keep us posted!
I would love for something like this to happen! keep us posted!
Sending the cuebuilders and JB Cases Eric Crisp's mailing addy tonight.....cues should be finished in a cpl weeks....
Sorry I havnt been on here much for the thread....lots of stuff going on here..
I will post the names of everyone thats on the list to try out the cues either this week or next week.
Gettin Close guys!
OK Guys.....this thing may or may not go off on time. I am awaiting word from 4 cuebuilders. It may have to be pushed back a couple weeks. I will let everyone know though.
I will post the list of names this weekend for the people that will be getting to evaluate the cues. If you still want to be a tester...please send me your name and location in asap.....be advised though, there is a custom case being donated for this particular event, and there will be 7 custom cues and shafts for this event. you will have to pay to have the cues and case shipped to the next person in line....
Anyone have any questions, please feel free to send me a PM...
Shawn
I will post the list of names this weekend for the people that will be getting to evaluate the cues. If you still want to be a tester...please send me your name and location in asap.....be advised though, there is a custom case being donated for this particular event, and there will be 7 custom cues and shafts for this event. you will have to pay to have the cues and case shipped to the next person in line....
Anyone have any questions, please feel free to send me a PM...
Shawn
does no one read threads anymore? This is happening.
Yes, this IS happening. But due to some family issues of a cpl of the cue builders, we will move the deliver date back a few weeks. No timeframe set in stone right now. But if the cuebuilders that are close to completion will be done by the 17th of April, they will go ahead and ship the cue to Eric and he will hold them till he has all of them. JB cases is donating a custom case to secure 7 cues in shipment on the long journey. I will keep the forum up to date on what is going on, and this weekend will post the list of Az'ers who will get to test out these cues.....
Any questions please feel free to contact me
Shawn
Thanks Bill.
If one of the cuemakers cannot have the cue done within a few weeks of the 17th. I will let you know.
Any questions feel free to send me a PM....Thanks Guys!
Shawn - I don't know if you have thought of this but I mention it...
I would tell the cuemakers to take down the tip on their cue to a somewhat standard height for all (~3/16" shoulder?).. it should be representative of a used tip but not one that needs replacement very soon... because a full-height new tip tends to mask the cue's feedback to the player... just a thought.
I would tell the cuemakers to take down the tip on their cue to a somewhat standard height for all (~3/16" shoulder?).. it should be representative of a used tip but not one that needs replacement very soon... because a full-height new tip tends to mask the cue's feedback to the player... just a thought.
Dave, are you stupid or what? How dare you come up with an idea that I did not think of......You go sit down young man! :grin:
Great idea, I did not think of this........We are wanting consistancy here....that will give everyone a pretty standard height...Good job, and Green rep comin your way!
Tentative list of Testers
OK Guys….here is the tentative list of people that will be trying out the cues for the build off. We will get the cues in one area and then send them on to the next closest area so whoever is sending these cues do not have to pay a huge cost to ship the cues. If you are one of the testers for the cues, you can ask people to donate money that also test them out to help in the shipping to the next person.
I will post the finalized list before the cues and case arrive to me. Whoever ships the cues and case, will be responsible for sending the cues, insurance, and posting tracking and insurance information on this thread so everyone can see exactly where the cues are at any given time.
If you want to be taken off the list, or would like to be added to the list, send me a PM and I will take care of that. If there is a group of people on the list that are close to each other, I encourage you to try and get together so the cues are not being shipped more than they are being tried out.
If anyone has any suggestions on how we should do this to make it more efficient, please let me know….I am open to any and all suggestions…
This list is not the order of who will receive the cues obviously, just to let people know who is on it to try them out;
hellfish
Grampa000
shakes
logic
poolplayer2093
Klink
Bamacues
a9ballbr8k
Safety
jcommie
gunzby
md5key
WoodyJ
Vegasplayer
Benfica
Brandoncook26
Cueballdg
Brozif
HollyWood
GroundHogg
BVal
Cue completion date has been moved back to the end of May due to some family issues with some of the Cue Builders....I will keep everyone posted!
OK Guys….here is the tentative list of people that will be trying out the cues for the build off. We will get the cues in one area and then send them on to the next closest area so whoever is sending these cues do not have to pay a huge cost to ship the cues. If you are one of the testers for the cues, you can ask people to donate money that also test them out to help in the shipping to the next person.
I will post the finalized list before the cues and case arrive to me. Whoever ships the cues and case, will be responsible for sending the cues, insurance, and posting tracking and insurance information on this thread so everyone can see exactly where the cues are at any given time.
If you want to be taken off the list, or would like to be added to the list, send me a PM and I will take care of that. If there is a group of people on the list that are close to each other, I encourage you to try and get together so the cues are not being shipped more than they are being tried out.
If anyone has any suggestions on how we should do this to make it more efficient, please let me know….I am open to any and all suggestions…
This list is not the order of who will receive the cues obviously, just to let people know who is on it to try them out;
hellfish
Grampa000
shakes
logic
poolplayer2093
Klink
Bamacues
a9ballbr8k
Safety
jcommie
gunzby
md5key
WoodyJ
Vegasplayer
Benfica
Brandoncook26
Cueballdg
Brozif
HollyWood
GroundHogg
BVal
Cue completion date has been moved back to the end of May due to some family issues with some of the Cue Builders....I will keep everyone posted!
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