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Cuemaker Poll: Are You a member of either ACA or ICA?
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Chris, for history of the ICA. Who were the Founding Father [Cuemakers /person involved] in forming the ICA?
I'm still working on the Cuemaker Tree [H.Martin/Bert Schrager] and adding addition data.
The ICA was my idea. We did not meet in one place with several of us there and officially found it. I called several that I thought might be interested in starting up. Several came on board right away and many more joined shortly after.
But to name several who joined real early would be:
Myself
Dennis Dieckman
Barry Cameron
Joe Sanko
Bert Schrager
Jerry Powers
Chris Byrne
Rob Phillips
Tom Gedris
Chad Carter
Dennis Cash
Dave Sucher
Michael Gardner
Greg Kucharski
Jack Flanagan
Jim Six
Sheldon Lebow
Jim Knaub
Paul Harrison
Hiroshi Sasaki
Nat Green
Lauri Franklin
Jimmy Lindmeier
Deek-a-mom<-------YOU ARE THE ICA :thumbup: AND YOU WILL BE TILL THE DAY YOU DIE......all true artists die in harness.....I am just happy to be one of your honored disciples
and so is Leornard, :sorry: or at least so he tells me last time we chit-chatted..............what about you, Renee :boring2: ????I am organizing my thoughts [such as they R] and will post more in a few days. I think this will be an interesting thread....
I will post on here, later. I have more important things to do (at the moment) than rant and rave about why we are who/what we are. 
I believe both organizations have important qualities and intentions and they both have dedicated members who believe in what they do and what they stand for and they could very easily be very beneficial to the other, if people didn't think they had to quibble over every little ridiculous issue.
That's all I'm saying, tonight. I have stuff to be done and have to get out of here.
The only other thing I have to say is YOU GUYS BE GOOD!!
I believe both organizations have important qualities and intentions and they both have dedicated members who believe in what they do and what they stand for and they could very easily be very beneficial to the other, if people didn't think they had to quibble over every little ridiculous issue.
That's all I'm saying, tonight. I have stuff to be done and have to get out of here.
The only other thing I have to say is YOU GUYS BE GOOD!!
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You are funny sometimes Dennis.Deek-a-mom<-------YOU ARE THE ICA :thumbup: AND YOU WILL BE TILL THE DAY YOU DIE......all true artists die in harness.....I am just happy to be one of your honored disciples
I am organizing my thoughts [such as they R] and will post more in a few days. I think this will be an interesting thread....
You and Leonard were the ones teaching everyone how to do this stuff way back, so you are certainly not my disciples. Leonard showed me how to put on tips using a lathe, back when I was still using a rapid top sander.
Chris I want to said thank you for your reply. And to all the cuemakers whether an ICA, ACA Member, or No Member for your input in this thread and what you have given back in information in the Ask Cuemaker Section of AZ.
I prefer ICA Membership requirement and the fact they allow CueRepairman
as member. http://www.internationalcuemakers.com/?page=membershiprequirements
As far ACA http://www.cuemakers.org/membership.php
Some of they Requirement could be very questionable???
This one :
Voting Membership is restricted to cuemakers whose primary occupation is making cues (or whose company makes cues) wholly within the fifty states of the United States of America. Cuemakers who make cues outside of the United States
or whose company makes cues to me this mean Meucci, McDermott type company. Not Mueller Recreational Products who have cuemakers making cue [Like Rat Cue or Downy Cue[sp?]], but not label Mueller Recreational Products. Can someone explain that?
Then there the note issue: NOTE! In special cases where the Board of Directors is familiar with a cuemaker's work and ability, the cuemaker may be granted membership without having to go through the judging of his cue. These applications will be handled on a case by case basis.
But then my opion there mean crap. I see ICA doing more than ACA . And the cost different is a whole different issue.
Questions just beginning.
I prefer ICA Membership requirement and the fact they allow CueRepairman
as member. http://www.internationalcuemakers.com/?page=membershiprequirements
As far ACA http://www.cuemakers.org/membership.php
Some of they Requirement could be very questionable???
This one :
Voting Membership is restricted to cuemakers whose primary occupation is making cues (or whose company makes cues) wholly within the fifty states of the United States of America. Cuemakers who make cues outside of the United States
or whose company makes cues to me this mean Meucci, McDermott type company. Not Mueller Recreational Products who have cuemakers making cue [Like Rat Cue or Downy Cue[sp?]], but not label Mueller Recreational Products. Can someone explain that?
Then there the note issue: NOTE! In special cases where the Board of Directors is familiar with a cuemaker's work and ability, the cuemaker may be granted membership without having to go through the judging of his cue. These applications will be handled on a case by case basis.
But then my opion there mean crap. I see ICA doing more than ACA . And the cost different is a whole different issue.
Questions just beginning.
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I hope this thread is not going to start putting down either association. I have many friends in both associations. Our goals may be a little different, but I feel both associations have a lot of talent represented and both are doing what they feel is good for their members and the industry. Dave Jacoby seems to being a good job over at the ACA. I have attended some of the ACA's awards ceremonies because some of my friends were getting awards there. Dave was gracious enough to give me tickets this year. If there is any ill will in starting this thread then I hope that ill will is put aside and let bygones be bygones. Again I do hope this thread will just be a poll and not a flame either association or be used as anyone's ax to grind if they have one to grind.
Wow... Dennis, your font is so big it reads like it is hollering at me. Got me a little off-balance, there.
Gene and I (Crown Cues) are members of the ICA for a few reasons. We looked first to the ICA, because we had been selling cues nationally, but decided we ultimately wanted to sell internationally. Therefore, we looked for an international membership to better support our needs. We have been treated well since the day we joined. We are glad to do what we can to help. We especially enjoy the camaraderie and support of the ICA, which is exactly what we were looking for, when we joined. You couldn't ask for a better bunch of folks to be associated with.
I recently started a fun pool league, which is all about supporting each other and helping each other get a better game. I associate this outlook with what the ICA stands for... helping each other become better at what we do, so we can be stronger, more educated and equipped as an organization and as individuals, and our products can be depended upon to endure more, because the experiences of more than just one cuemaker is put into each cue.
We have never had any ACA members approach us with an interest in our membership, so we have not looked very seriously in that direction. However, we are quite pleased to be acquainted with some of the ACA cuemakers.
Gene and I (Crown Cues) are members of the ICA for a few reasons. We looked first to the ICA, because we had been selling cues nationally, but decided we ultimately wanted to sell internationally. Therefore, we looked for an international membership to better support our needs. We have been treated well since the day we joined. We are glad to do what we can to help. We especially enjoy the camaraderie and support of the ICA, which is exactly what we were looking for, when we joined. You couldn't ask for a better bunch of folks to be associated with.
I recently started a fun pool league, which is all about supporting each other and helping each other get a better game. I associate this outlook with what the ICA stands for... helping each other become better at what we do, so we can be stronger, more educated and equipped as an organization and as individuals, and our products can be depended upon to endure more, because the experiences of more than just one cuemaker is put into each cue.
We have never had any ACA members approach us with an interest in our membership, so we have not looked very seriously in that direction. However, we are quite pleased to be acquainted with some of the ACA cuemakers.
Chris - Both the ICA and ACA have a Max. effect on History of Cuemaking and Knowledge among members whether Private or Public,that shouldn't be lost.
Just as your list of lathe customers, along with others who build cuemaking
machinery, should be added to a WHO WHO list in cuemaking history.
Yes I want to keep this as Poll. But at the same time maybe, increase awareness, that might help both association.
We both know that there are other than Cuemakers, who are members of either ICA and ACA.
You can find our complete members list on the ICA site members page. I think the ACA has the same thing on their site.
Aca ica
I don't have a preference. I didn't join because I don't need extra business.
I sell what I make. If that changes I'll decide.
I don't have a preference. I didn't join because I don't need extra business.
I sell what I make. If that changes I'll decide.
This very True about finding members.
But the Poll asking AZ Cuemaker Member which association??
I am a member of the ICA and proud of it. :grin-square: The ICA is a COMMUNITY of lost souls who have found their calling in life in the pursuit of trying to build the one cue that will make the builder play like god. 
TO THAT I SAY GOOD LUCK, I have been trying since 1973 and have never succeeded. Thank you Chris for all the hard work you do for all of us. 
While I am friends with many of the members of the ACA I am not a member even though I am one of the founding fathers of that organization. I am not a member due to philosophical differences with the organization's goals. For example go to the ACA web site http://www.cuemakers.org/membership.php
and you will see that were some one to submit a butterfly cue for consideration for membership, the ACA would reject this cue out of hand as not meeting their requirments. I wonder if that would include the butterfly that I have in The Smithsonian's Permanent Collection??
And having just visited the ACA web site for the first time in a few years I see not much has changed on it, including the fact that they still do not list [don't ask me why] who the founding members were.
http://www.cuemakers.org/history.php
I think that is not right and should be rectified especially as the 20th anniversary of that meeting is coming up in 2012. I am sure that the ACA will have a big affair celebrating that milestone. :groucho: As a founding father I will be curious to see if I am invited, along with the others who were at that meeting who are still alive, to attend their 20th anniversary celebration, because with out us nine meeting on that day long ago, there would be no ACA today. :grinning-moose:
TO THAT I SAY GOOD LUCK, I have been trying since 1973 and have never succeeded. Thank you Chris for all the hard work you do for all of us. While I am friends with many of the members of the ACA I am not a member even though I am one of the founding fathers of that organization. I am not a member due to philosophical differences with the organization's goals. For example go to the ACA web site http://www.cuemakers.org/membership.php
and you will see that were some one to submit a butterfly cue for consideration for membership, the ACA would reject this cue out of hand as not meeting their requirments. I wonder if that would include the butterfly that I have in The Smithsonian's Permanent Collection??
And having just visited the ACA web site for the first time in a few years I see not much has changed on it, including the fact that they still do not list [don't ask me why] who the founding members were.
http://www.cuemakers.org/history.php
I think that is not right and should be rectified especially as the 20th anniversary of that meeting is coming up in 2012. I am sure that the ACA will have a big affair celebrating that milestone. :groucho: As a founding father I will be curious to see if I am invited, along with the others who were at that meeting who are still alive, to attend their 20th anniversary celebration, because with out us nine meeting on that day long ago, there would be no ACA today. :grinning-moose:
Are you a member
The ACA and ICA aren't clubs you join to get a discount. You join them to help
further something you are passionate about. Don't believe rumors or stories
you have heard about either one. Get involved and help them promote our passion.
The ACA and ICA aren't clubs you join to get a discount. You join them to help
further something you are passionate about. Don't believe rumors or stories
you have heard about either one. Get involved and help them promote our passion.
Well said!!!!!!!
That's the spirit!
Discounts, group buys on advertising, materials, show space, no nonsense advice from your peers, etc. all just side benefits of the above....
Very smart words!!