Cuemakers/tinkerers bad deal thread?

[CueMayor]

integrity

You are entitled to your opinion, and I understand how you could get the wrong impression here, BUT, I've known Dickie Neighbors or RHN cues for close to 30 years. He worked for me at one time, he was a partner of mine a couple of times, and I can honestly say I know of no one on earth with more integrity than he has!

It's easy to second guess other peoples actions and pontificate on how you would have done things differently. Just don't expect everyone to believe it!

just more hot air!


Sherm

Sherm
look up the word integrity and if you associate the word integrity with dicks actions you will clearly see that integrity is not what dick has.

integrity
Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

ordering wood and knowingly keeping it at a admitted "wrong" price which was clearly the "mistake" of the supplier is clearly NOT integrity. he admitted that he knows about the mistake and he gloats over the misfortune of his supplier and chooses to do nothing about it. that is not integrity.

if dick has the integrity you speak of then he should have admitted his wrong doing, picked up the phone and immediately called his supplier and told him of the mistake and paid the amount that the supplier is due and owed. THATS INTEGRITY something most of you simply and obviously do not understand.

JMHO and the opinion of anyone with "integrity"

the mayor

 

[MVPCues]

Very nice condoning bad behavor. The fact still remains that he has merchandise which was not properly paid for and you support that type of activity. Nice group of people on here supporting one another when an injustice was done.

I did not condone anyone's behaviour. I suggested Dick ignore you because I believe you are nothing more than a troll. I believe you may be the same person who has posted as PogiBoy and are here to do nothing more than harass people.

Kelly

 

[CueMayor]

I did not condone anyone's behaviour. I suggested Dick ignore you because I believe you are nothing more than a troll. I believe you may be the same person who has posted as PogiBoy and are here to do nothing more than harass people.

Kelly

you are side stepping a important issue which shows the morals of some people in this group by condoning bad behavior. i am not pogiboy and i am not here to harass anyone. i am merely pointing out bad behavior which all of you seem to condone. birds of a feather......

if anyone is a "troll" it is you for name calling. this is where you have to stoop in order to condone or ignore bad behavior instead of discussing the issue as i am.

 

[jazznpool]

As if being the Cue Mayor wasn't enough, you've gone ahead and attempted to appoint yourself paterfamilias! While I don't condone stealing, I understand that most people, including myself, are not saints. I greatly respect Dick for hiis contributions here--maybe even more so because he doesn't approach the forum in an arrogant or condescending manner.

Martin

you are side stepping a important issue which shows the morals of some people in this group by condoning bad behavior. i am not pogiboy and i am not here to harass anyone. i am merely pointing out bad behavior which all of you seem to condone. birds of a feather......

if anyone is a "troll" it is you for name calling. this is where you have to stoop in order to condone or ignore bad behavior instead of discussing the issue as i am.

 

[CueMayor]

As if being the Cue Mayor wasn't enough, you've gone ahead and attempted to appoint yourself paterfamilias! While I don't condone stealing, I understand that most people, including myself, are not saints. I greatly respect Dick for hiis contributions here--maybe even more so because he doesn't approach the forum in an arrogant or condescending manner.

Martin

never claimed to be head of anything just applying good old common sense and honesty here. granted we all are not saints but openly admitting cheating a supplier, gloating over it, then justifying it by talking about all his "bad deals" is not justification for bad behavior or stealing. as i said previously, if he had and ethics or honesty he would have called his supplier and advised him of the error in billing. he did nothing but gloat and take advantage of the situation. this is not honesty and condoning, supporting or defending his actions is culpable.

the mayor

 

[cueaddicts]

you are side stepping a important issue which shows the morals of some people in this group by condoning bad behavior. i am not pogiboy and i am not here to harass anyone. i am merely pointing out bad behavior which all of you seem to condone. birds of a feather......

if anyone is a "troll" it is you for name calling. this is where you have to stoop in order to condone or ignore bad behavior instead of discussing the issue as i am.

Come on, at least these guys don't hide behind a stupid screen name.

Before you come on here and start pontificating to everyone, why not let them know who you are. So, spill the beans...who are you?

Sean

 

[jazznpool]

To get back with original spirit of thread...several months ago I found the guy who sells and processes leather and cuts out cue wraps or "grips" for Atlas. The idea of getting a large supply of high quality leather cue wraps for somewhere around $3 per piece was appealling. The guy is great to deal with and he can re-split and level hides as well as apply a finish of any sheen (polyurethane spray). I just wasn't aware that he didn't understand how crucial uniform thickness of hide is when it comes to leather wraps. He was still learning about leather for pool cues (and so was I). Anyway, I spent about $400 on various leathers--including top grain cowhide and pigskin. The stuff I have is wonderful. The problem is that only about 20% of the pieces I have are useable as is. The rest are too uneven in thickness and I have no knowledge of how I could salvage them without special apparatus! Just another expensive "lesson."

Martin

Why don't we post some bad deals we fell into lately?
I'll start with Atlas 30-minute finish epoxy.
Bought one to try for sneakies. It's crap. Don't bother.

Ebony squares from CC? We read all about that.

 

[MVPCues]

To get back with original spirit of thread...several months ago I found the guy who sells and processes leather and cuts out cue wraps or "grips" for Atlas. The idea of getting a large supply of high quality leather cue wraps for somewhere around $3 per piece was appealling. The guy is great to deal with and he can re-split and level hides as well as apply a finish of any sheen (polyurethane spray). I just wasn't aware that he didn't understand how crucial uniform thickness of hide is when it comes to leather wraps. He was still learning about leather for pool cues (and so was I). Anyway, I spent about $400 on various leathers--including top grain cowhide and pigskin. The stuff I have is wonderful. The problem is that only about 20% of the pieces I have are useable as is. The rest are too uneven in thickness and I have no knowledge of how I could be salvage them without special apparatus! Just another expensive "lesson."

Martin

I would think some of the cuemakers here can offer some guidance to you. I think that some leather wraps installed on cues are already sized and dyed, while others are undyed. For the ones that are undyed, some sanding is done after installing, and then the dye applied. Perhaps a sanding mandrel could be used on your pieces?

Maybe someone experienced with leather wraps can respond.
Kelly

 

[Michael Webb]

If I ordered a plain cue for $300 from any of you and by mistake you sent me a $1000 cue and kept it, that would be ok then I guess. this is what you are condoning. What goes around come around.

What I am agreeing with is that we cue makers have been getting the short end for a long time in purchasing wood and supplies and paying top dollar because we want the best quality to offer in our cues,
AND THEN!!!!
The shipment comes in. Then we try to define what we paid for versus what we got.
Seeing you are the CUEMAYOR, I would expect you to know something about the wood that goes into the cue and the quality of the wood we search for.
You have only posted a few times and so far just negative comments. If you need help with some positive suggestions, I'm sure we can think of a couple to get you going in the right direction.

 

[JoeyInCali]

never claimed to be head of anything just applying good old common sense and honesty here. granted we all are not saints but openly admitting cheating a supplier, gloating over it, then justifying it by talking about all his "bad deals" is not justification for bad behavior or stealing. as i said previously, if he had and ethics or honesty he would have called his supplier and advised him of the error in billing. he did nothing but gloat and take advantage of the situation. this is not honesty and condoning, supporting or defending his actions is culpable.

the mayor

Joe please stop hiding. The desert heat was too much for you?
The same wood supplier would offer "satisfaction guarantee" with their woods. They send you bad woods. Who pays for shipping?
If made you a $300 cue and sent you a $700 cue, you can keep it.
I tip all waiters/waitresses ALWAYS at least double the sales tax amount.
A wood supplier I've been giving business to for hundreds of dollars someday charged me his cost of his wood ( not like I got it for free ), I'm not sweating it.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I would think some of the cuemakers here can offer some guidance to you. I think that some leather wraps installed on cues are already sized and dyed, while others are undyed. For the ones that are undyed, some sanding is done after installing, and then the dye applied. Perhaps a sanding mandrel could be used on your pieces?

Maybe someone experienced with leather wraps can respond.
Kelly

No way around it. Get a sanding block and start sanding until all areas are around 20-22 thick.

 

[jazznpool]

I might have to do that as I need it Joey. I have mostly top grain goods, not plated and finished splits. Without a slick, high-gloss finish top grain has the nicest feel. I prefer the matte or satin finish. Found out "naked" leather doesn't work so well. You'll have to check out my leather sometime. I'm expecting some .6mm black kangaroo any day. I can hardly wait to see how it feels as I am deciding between it and black corkrubber for a new playing cue to be ready soon.

Martin

No way around it. Get a sanding block and start sanding until all areas are around 20-22 thick.

 

[Rodney]

[QUOTE= when he did in fact rip his supplier off. What would you call it?

I would call it the supplier ripping himself off.

 

[CueMayor]

I would call it an honest mistake on the suppliers end and if the customer were honest he would have made an attempt to correct the mistake. i guess there is a different set of morals out there today it is screw or be screwed. I think we beat this horse enuf happy new year to everyone out there

the mayor

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

I would call it an honest mistake on the suppliers end and if the customer were honest he would have made an attempt to correct the mistake. i guess there is a different set of morals out there today it is screw or be screwed. I think we beat this horse enuf happy new year to everyone out there
the mayor

Others in this forum may or may not know who you are. To me,
it is quite obvious. Your style of writing, your punctuation, certain
phrases you use, all of those point directly toward a certain individual
that I did business with once (and only once).

Even though a writer attempts to mask his identity by changing his style
of writing, there are always identifying features in their writing that does
not change. I might add, the posture you have taken in this thread is also
pointing to your identity.

Whether Dick was right or wrong is none of my business, and I see no need
or purpose in commenting on that. He is a grown man and (I would assume)
quite capable of living with his decisions. You on the other hand, are forced
to live with yours. You have not only treated people with disrespect, but have
demonstrated a lack of "integrity" that I find apalling. I say this with the fullest confidence that I know exactly who you are. If I were you, (and I am quite happy I am not), I would quietly fade away. Enjoy the FLorida beaches, and a Happy New Year to you also.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Others in this forum may or may not know who you are. To me,
it is quite obvious. Your style of writing, your punctuation, certain
phrases you use, all of those point directly toward a certain individual
that I did business with once (and only once).

Even though a writer attempts to mask his identity by changing his style
of writing, there are always identifying features in their writing that does
not change. I might add, the posture you have taken in this thread is also
pointing to your identity.

Whether Dick was right or wrong is none of my business, and I see no need
or purpose in commenting on that. He is a grown man and (I would assume)
quite capable of living with his decisions. You on the other hand, are forced
to live with yours. You have not only treated people with disrespect, but have
demonstrated a lack of "integrity" that I find apalling. I say this with the fullest confidence that I know exactly who you are. If I were you, (and I am quite happy I am not), I would quietly fade away. Enjoy the FLorida beaches, and a Happy New Year to you also.

Mayor Joe's cover has been blown.

 

[MVPCues]

Others in this forum may or may not know who you are. To me,
it is quite obvious. Your style of writing, your punctuation, certain
phrases you use, all of those point directly toward a certain individual
that I did business with once (and only once).

Even though a writer attempts to mask his identity by changing his style
of writing, there are always identifying features in their writing that does
not change. I might add, the posture you have taken in this thread is also
pointing to your identity.

Whether Dick was right or wrong is none of my business, and I see no need
or purpose in commenting on that. He is a grown man and (I would assume)
quite capable of living with his decisions. You on the other hand, are forced
to live with yours. You have not only treated people with disrespect, but have
demonstrated a lack of "integrity" that I find apalling. I say this with the fullest confidence that I know exactly who you are. If I were you, (and I am quite happy I am not), I would quietly fade away. Enjoy the FLorida beaches, and a Happy New Year to you also.

Simply amazing. CueMayor, if this is true, then you certainly must have turned over a new leaf talking about integrity and not stealing from people like you have been doing. May I now have my refund on shipping charges that you unconditionally guaranteed in your listings for the Private Reserve straight grain no runoff shaft blanks (the ones where the center grain line at one end completely disappeared in about 10 inches of travel..)?
Kelly

 

[JoeyInCali]

Simply amazing. CueMayor, if this is true, then you certainly must have turned over a new leaf talking about integrity and not stealing from people like you have been doing. May I now have my refund on shipping charges that you unconditionally guaranteed in your listings for the Private Reserve straight grain no runoff shaft blanks (the ones where the center grain line at one end completely disappeared in about 10 inches of travel..)?
Kelly

Lemme have my refund as well on those baseball bat blanks.

 

[cueman]

I make mistakes quite often in calculating. It could be that I put 2 ebony on a line but only charge for one. Thankfully my daughter double checks me. Every once in a while I get a call saying a mistake was made one way or the other in addition on an invoice. For those who sent $$ to me for what was not charged correctly I sincerely thank you and want you to know I appreciate your honesty. I do the same for you when I catch an overpayment also.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[Cue Crazy]

I hate to see anyone say anything About Dick here, especially since It was a conversation between him and I. I knew someone would say something when i first read that, and normally I would be the first person to do so Myself, but I have to say I honestly believe your barking up the wrong tree. I realize it did'nt sound good, but I also Happen to believe I know enough of him to know that this man has received the bad end of the stick as much if not more then the good. I would hope though that atleast the place in question was one of those bad ends. I also know enough to believe In my heart he would normally do the right thing, enough so I would'nt hesitate to deal with Him Myself. I can't think of one dishonest thing he's said to me. Anyone that has dealt with me knows I'm as honest as it comes, and I pay My depts, sometimes too much so. Whether someones likes what I say or not is another thing, but one thing is for sure, I am honest when it comes to paying it forward, and From what I know of this man he is not full of any BS, and always tells it straight to me. I could be wrong, I guess it's always possible but My instinct tells me different, and it has a pretty good track record.
His own words says it all if you look hard enough, I'm sure when he posted this that he was smart enough to realize what the reaction might be here, yet he still did, then when he was called on It, he did'nt make any excuses for it, Is that in It'self not honest. Most people would have backtracked the issue or tried to think some over exagerated story up. I guess next time we have a conversation, then it shoulfd be private, but then everyone would miss out on any usefull content.
It seems that some people have no idea of the crap some of us have payed good money for, only the have it broke off. Most of us take it on the chin and move on. I would always tell someone of such an error that I knew was honest with me, that's just My way, but can't say there is not few from the past I would,nt like to stick it back to. Not saying that's right, just the honest truth.
I can be fooled, not fool proof, but have an idea of who's who, and most of these people that responded, I can say are good honest people, and Some of them Know him alot better then I.
Give the man a break, Please.