Cues Stolen - Need Help and Advice

Advise

Offer a reward of $100 no questions asked. It will hurt the least. Usually works real fast.
Next time you leave in a hurry leave your britches and grab your cues! :eek: :D
Good Luck,
Nick :)
 
cues

contact her again and tell her no hard feelings and you want ot buy the pawn tickets from her, if you think she pawned them. That way you can take the tickets and pay for the cues and get them back.
 
knifemaker said:
contact her again and tell her no hard feelings and you want ot buy the pawn tickets from her, if you think she pawned them. That way you can take the tickets and pay for the cues and get them back.
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I would opt for that, also. If she does not go for it, then go to the police station and file charges.

Don't take matters into your own hands...you will lose much more than the cues, if you do. Ask OJ about taking your own "stolen" items back at gunpoint.

As for it being your word against hers as to who the cues belong to, in court, people who know that they were your cues could testify, if needed. Depending on the value of the cues, it could potentially be a felony instead of a misdemeanor. Threatened with legal action, the girl, and the pawn shop, might choose to do the right thing.

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
I would opt for that, also. If she does not go for it, then go to the police station and file charges.

Don't take matters into your own hands...you will lose much more than the cues, if you do. Ask OJ about taking your own "stolen" items back at gunpoint.

As for it being your word against hers as to who the cues belong to, in court, people who know that they were your cues could testify, if needed. Depending on the value of the cues, it could potentially be a felony instead of a misdemeanor. Threatened with legal action, the girl, and the pawn shop, might choose to do the right thing.

Joe
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Wow sorry mike Filing the report is the right thing .
Now if you have home owners insurance it is coverd .
Because it was stolen ..
Pm, a picture i'll keep a eye out .. Gl ..
 
Mike Templeton said:
I'm posting this here instead of the main forum because the AZ members who visit here would be more likely to run across this scenario. Let me tell you folks what happened and let me know if I have any recourse....

I was friends with this girl for a short time. I went in to visit her a few nights ago (platonic, Ktown :)), and it was cold and raining outside. I brought my cues inside so they wouldn't be left in my cold, damp truck.

I left kinda in a hurry and left my cues there at her apartment. I know that for a fact. Of course when I called her the next day to go by and pick them up, she told me that I was mistaken, and I hadn't left them there. She obviously doesn't play seriously or she would know that players keep exact tabs on their weapons. She said that she looked good everywhere, and the case (with 3 cues inside) was nowhere in the apartment. She wouldn't let me come back to the apartment and look for myself. I have found out since that she has very shady friends, and one of them is the son of one of the most notorious pool hustlers ever to live in these parts.

Knowing that I left the cues there, I visited the local pawn shops. One of the shops said that a person matching her description was just in trying to pawn cues, but that their particular shop didn't take cues in on pawn. That owner told me of another pawn shop, but warned that the owner was a crook who asked few questions, and thats where every druggie and crack head took everything that they could steal. I went by there. The owner told me that he couldn't legally tell me what he had taken in on pawn and it would be 60 - 90 days before it would be put out for sale. He told me that if I thought something was stolen, that I could file a police report. I may have made a mistake even going there, tho, because he told me that it had been quite a while since he had taken in any cues, and that he didn't have any cues at the present time. I personally saw 3 cheap cues leaning in the corner behind the counter.

I went to file a police report, and this is my luck. The police station in the small town where I moved was closed for Christmas. How about that. Now it is a small town, but I've never heard of that. The doors were locked tight and there was a note on the doors that if anyone had an emergency, they should dial 911. The note said the police department would reopen Monday.

I was leaving for Chattanooga for a few days later that afternoon, so I rode on over here to see some friends. I plan on heading back Thursday or Friday. I don't know what to do. I have all the players in the county on the lookout, and there are only 2 small rooms in the area.

Help me out. Do I have legal recourse since I left the cues there and they went missing? I am filing a police report for sure, but since I'm out of state I guess I should wait till I get back into town.

Help me out folks..... What is my best course of action?

Thanks in Advance,
Mike
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mike < iam sorry this happened, it always seems the trusting people get taken advantage of!
make shure in your police report make it very clear in what your descriptions and detail of the cues and case. including dings or scratches that can identify your cues, also if you can give names of the shady friends incase they are at the pawn shop. the police will ask if these names have brought in any thing.
let you insurance know!
and if you need a letter of value for them i will help you out. and email me pictures and i will help watch out also.if you need anything iam at your disposal! God speed! Bill
 
mike the longer you wait to report the less chance you have to get them back!. if you need somthing to shoot with in the mean time call me ill get you a loaner on us!nothing fancy but to help get you by!
 
I would contact her again, insist to her that you're 100 percent positive that you left them there. Tell her that there is no doubt that they were taken from her place, and if she still says she doesn't know what happened, tell her that you're going to file a police report and she will be listed on the case report as a witness, (possible suspect), and that you'll be needing to give the police her name, address, phone number, etc..

This might prompt her to start playing ball, or it might not. If she's no stranger to the police, she might not want them knocking on her door asking questions, so there is a slight chance.

As another poster mentioned, make sure you have every possible detail before you contact the police. The names and addresses of the pawn shops you mentioned, who you spoke to, what they told you, when, times, everything. Most police officers want to help, but they want as much info to go by before they start talking to people, and if they only get the basics, they sometimes assume that you might not be serious about getting the cues back if you don't take the time to provide the above info.

The street justice works, but is it worth it to you? I've seen too many others go that route, only to get jack potted themselves, so you'd have to weigh the consequences. I personally think you should try the legal way first, if that fails you, do what you have to do. Got any dirt on the girl (friend)? Wave that in front of her nose, it's worth a shot...

My condolences, that sucks, and good luck. Keep us posted.

Kevin.
 
I can offer the following advice as a former pawn broker. (My Family has been in the business since the mid 80's)

First and Foremost, the original owners right to recover stolen property has no time limitation, regardless of how many hands it has changed through. Absolutely file a report with both the local police department and the county sherriffs department as well. Pawn Shops are required to report all acquisitions to both law enforcement agencies.

Be sure to include in your statement the fact that the girl was seen attempting to pawn the cues. Be as specific as possible about the cues and the girl. include her name and address.

Pawn shops require ID and a sworn statement of ownership from the person pawning the merchandise. Copies of the form are sent both to the local police and the county sherriff either daily or weekly depending on the county. If the girl pawned the cues in her own name, the police will be able to cross reference the transaction by name fairly easily. Otherwise they will have to rely on the item descriptions.

In the event that it is a less then reputable shop, Remember that the police have an absolute right, without any warrant or probable cause, to inspect the records and inventory on all pawn shops. I would read from the statement from the second pawn shop that he has the merchandise, and he knows it. Let the police know his comment about it taking 60 to 90 days for the product to come out. It is a common stall that some pawn shop owners will use to discourage you from filing the police report.

If the cues are at the pawn shop, one of two things will happen. Since the pawn shop is not, by law, allowed to profit off of stolen merchandise, they should allow you to pat back only the loan amount (no vig). This way you at least get your cues back.

If the police do find the cues at the 2nd pawn shop, as I suspect they will, buy them back for the value of the ticket and let it go. The police will encourage this solution as well. The pawn shop can choose to press charges for the false reporting, which is actually a separate offence. If you want to pursue charges beyond that, you may not be happy with how it pans out. 1st the cues will be confiscated and held as evidence until a trial. If by some miracle the cues are not lost before the trial, next you must prove that they were stolen from you. If the girl is not convicted, the cues were not stolen and will be returned to the pawn shop. Then you may never see them again.

Good luck
 
Mike,
What cues got stolen? and can you give us a description so we can keep an eye out for them on ebay and here on AZ.
What is the total dollar amount invested in these cues? and how much do they mean to you?
To me that would justify the level of pursuit I would apply to recovery the stolen property.
Helll.. Look at my avatar, that explains about anything stolen from me worth more than $500 gets that treatment.

Regardless personal safety and peace of mind is worth a lot more than a bunch of shady people you are have to deal with over a long period of time specially while your playing pool and can run into them.

Best of luck to you and getting your cues back.
 
I would offer a reward (making sure she is aware of it and have the local pool room owner collect the cues and pay the reward with no questions asked. She then can have one of her slugs deliver the cues to the pool room owner and then you can pick them up. This way she isn't directly involved with you and she would probably take the reward money.
 
stolen cues...

i would check your local craiglist also...if posted on there you could send someone to buy them from her if listed for sale...ps where in the country were they stolen at? i would also be able to keep an eye out if i knew what they were...trust me they will end up in a pool hall or a sports bar and all of those places are frequinted by most azers....this sucks....just have some hope.... i had a friend who buys a ton of cues in texas from pawn shops and he picked up a annie o for less than 100 bucks....not knowing that it was stolen from a friend of ours years before...we were playing in league after he bought the cue and our buddy said damn that is my cue that was stolen from me 4years ago....so my friend sold it back to him for what he paid for it from the pawn shop....so dont ever give up it will show up...gl mickey carroll
 
I had a chainsaw stolen from my garage and spotted it at a local pawnshop(I had identifying numbers). Called the police and they said the procedure is they contact the pawnshop and pull the item, and then there is a hearing, if the pawnshop wants to contest it. In my case the pawnshop said they didn't and were willing to give me the chainsaw.

One thing you may do is keep checking(or have someone check for you) at the local pawnshop you described. They may still put it out, and if you can identify it, the owner may not contest it. Kind of a long shot, but you may get lucky.
 
Mike, do you have any pictures of the cues?

If so, you can include them with the police report. That would certainly help matters. Also, digital picture files have dates attached to them. That would help prove that you took the pictures prior to visiting that person.

Also, if you have some, I would post them here so that your friends here can help.

Makes me realize that I have to take pictures of all my cues also.

Ron
 
mike

Come and get me Ill settle it quick and fast,have her arrested and she has to prove her self not gulity,I'll have her arrested for grand larceny ,lying to a police officer and in posession of stolen property, or the were abouts of the property.She has to prove by reasonable dought in a court of law shes innocent,but don't forget you showed me the cues before you went over there and now I can't buy them,,The Skunk..........Okay brother man............I will talk to her and get the message to her in a way ,I will call the cops right there. Ask her maybe she thinks my head comes off at night and I put it on a mantle at night, and hurry up and get the cues so i can buy em,and I'am not f--king around. Rich.
 
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Forgive me for pointing this out, as you will not want to hear this, and I could be wrong for saying so, but..........

If I read you correctly, you were with someone you should've never been with in the first place. In my opinion, it is your fault for losing your cues. I think you should just bite the bullet and never talk to that lady again. What happened is a sign from God.

"As the saying goes, a man is known by the company he keeps. Good company can make a man and bad company can ruin him."

Mike Templeton said:
I'm posting this here instead of the main forum because the AZ members who visit here would be more likely to run across this scenario. Let me tell you folks what happened and let me know if I have any recourse....

I was friends with this girl for a short time. I went in to visit her a few nights ago (platonic, Ktown :)), and it was cold and raining outside. I brought my cues inside so they wouldn't be left in my cold, damp truck.

I left kinda in a hurry and left my cues there at her apartment. I know that for a fact. Of course when I called her the next day to go by and pick them up, she told me that I was mistaken, and I hadn't left them there. She obviously doesn't play seriously or she would know that players keep exact tabs on their weapons. She said that she looked good everywhere, and the case (with 3 cues inside) was nowhere in the apartment. She wouldn't let me come back to the apartment and look for myself. I have found out since that she has very shady friends, and one of them is the son of one of the most notorious pool hustlers ever to live in these parts.

Knowing that I left the cues there, I visited the local pawn shops. One of the shops said that a person matching her description was just in trying to pawn cues, but that their particular shop didn't take cues in on pawn. That owner told me of another pawn shop, but warned that the owner was a crook who asked few questions, and thats where every druggie and crack head took everything that they could steal. I went by there. The owner told me that he couldn't legally tell me what he had taken in on pawn and it would be 60 - 90 days before it would be put out for sale. He told me that if I thought something was stolen, that I could file a police report. I may have made a mistake even going there, tho, because he told me that it had been quite a while since he had taken in any cues, and that he didn't have any cues at the present time. I personally saw 3 cheap cues leaning in the corner behind the counter.

I went to file a police report, and this is my luck. The police station in the small town where I moved was closed for Christmas. How about that. Now it is a small town, but I've never heard of that. The doors were locked tight and there was a note on the doors that if anyone had an emergency, they should dial 911. The note said the police department would reopen Monday.

I was leaving for Chattanooga for a few days later that afternoon, so I rode on over here to see some friends. I plan on heading back Thursday or Friday. I don't know what to do. I have all the players in the county on the lookout, and there are only 2 small rooms in the area.

Help me out. Do I have legal recourse since I left the cues there and they went missing? I am filing a police report for sure, but since I'm out of state I guess I should wait till I get back into town.

Help me out folks..... What is my best course of action?

Thanks in Advance,
Mike
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Stolen Property

If you property is worth over $500.00 it is considered grand theft. Make out a police report, take an officer with you to that first pawn shop where she tried to pawn your cues and ask to see the survailance tape. If the discription of your property which you gave the police shows her with them she can be arrested. If she sold them to she might just be able to retrieve them if you are willing to drop the charges. I personally would rather see her rot behind bars but then I am a vindictive S.O.B. Good luck. :mad:
 
know it all said:
Come and get me Ill settle it quick and fast,have her arrested and she has to prove her self not gulity,I'll have her arrested for grand larceny ,lying to a police officer and in posession of stolen property, or the were abouts of the property.She has to prove by reasonable dought in a court of law shes innocent,but don't forget you showed me the cues before you went over there and now I can't buy them,,The Skunk..........Okay brother man............I will talk to her and get the message to her in a way ,I will call the cops right there. Ask her maybe she thinks my head comes off at night and I put it on a mantle at night, and hurry up and get the cues so i can buy em,and I'am not f--king around. Rich.
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Hey Rich....It's the Carolina I showed you a month or so ago. The Hurricane of mine, and a Poison break/jump. And a Porper 4x8 case.

Thanks for all the help. I'll find the pics and post them this afternoon. They weren't that expensive. A Carolina 5 ebony point cue with a ivory hoppe ring, a poison break/jump, and a Hurricane fancy steel joint sneaky that Whitey made for me in 1998. And a 4x8 Porper case. Appx $1000 I'd say. They are custom, but have no really distinguishing marks.

Thanks Again. I'll hunt the pics now.

Mike
 
The best thing I have found to do to identify my cues is to go to the nearest table and "WACK" a nice smiley face in it....:grin:

Seriously...If it has a bumper,take it out and write your name in black sharpie and put a little clear fingernail polish over it. You can also smear a little superglue over your name. Even if they find it they will have to sand it out and it still leaves a mark to ID it with.
 
Manoman2444 said:
When you file your police report, go into as much detail as you can on the description. Sometimes police get copies of everything that is taken in at pawn shops (at least they do in our area). You don't really have any recourse right now (unless they turn up and someone hocks them or tries to sell them and the police get wind of it.) In small towns, the police usually know who is doing most of the thefts. After you file your report, call every now and then, and see if anyone has heard anything.
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I would also add to make sure tell them you have reason to believe they were pawned and you think you know what pawn shop has them. Maybe they will pay them a visit and get to see the stuff the owner claims he couldn't show you.
 
Ok

Ok heres the help from a cop himself


1. Dont ever do something like that again lol sorry i have to say that trust no one and lesson learned im sure

2. Call police and file a police report asap!!!!!

3. Give them the entire story be complete suspect info pawn shop info etc

4. Keep searching yourself for leads and follow up with the police too.

5. Now the serious part im in maryland and how we work is a citizen can file criminal charges at the court house through a commissioner for any charge not a felony!or sue civil .if u left it there, she is only one living there or maybe 1 other person get all their info via the police and charge them go to court,might not bring cues back but if found guilty they face the man /woman judge and might have to pay u back plus other penalty.if its too hard to prove try to sue civil and get your funds back hope this helps a little
 
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