Cuetable alternative???

Winston846

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Is there any alternative to Cuetable out there? I feel left out of these "how would you play this?" threads because the images are blocked where I work and at home I run Linux. Cuetable is done using Macromedia Shockwave, and Macromedia REFUSES to support Linux, so there is no browser plugin for me to use.

There is a hack where you can use Wine (software for running Windows programs under Linux) to install the Windows version of Firefox and then the Shockwave plugin, but I can't get it to work. Windows Firefox runs perfectly, but once I install the Shockwave plugin, Firefox crashes.

Help...
 
Lol lol, FORMAT C: install windows !!!

Not quite... But I do have another alternative. I won't trash Linux - I do everything in it, but what I can do is use QEMU (like VMWare) to run Windows in a virtual machine on my Linux box. But that would still require me to buy a licensed copy of Windows 7.

There is an online petition to Macromedia to support Linux, but so far they refuse. That just makes them look like a Micro$oft Tool.

http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
 
Is there any alternative to Cuetable out there? I feel left out of these "how would you play this?" threads because the images are blocked where I work and at home I run Linux. ...
The considerate Cuetable poster will do a screen capture of the image and post the GIF/PNG file. Of course this doesn't work well for multi-page images.
 
The considerate Cuetable poster will do a screen capture of the image and post the GIF/PNG file. Of course this doesn't work well for multi-page images.

Can you export your Cuetable diagram to a GIF/PNG/JPG file? Then multiple images would work, too - just export each one separately.

But you're right. Most just link to the diagram on Cuetable, which requires Macromedia.
 
Can you export your Cuetable diagram to a GIF/PNG/JPG file? Then multiple images would work, too - just export each one separately. ...
On MicroShaftOS I use a screen capture tool called "Cropper" that can grab pretty much anything on the screen. I have the same issues with Macromedia you do, but I have to have a Windows PC at home for some hobby applications. I whined to Wei a long time ago about the browser problem when I was on an HP-UX machine, but there still seems to be no good solution for non-DOS-heads. When I post diagrams, I usually use other software (and Cropper) to make simple images that browsers can handle directly.
 
this is also a problem on Macs, by the way. Shockwave hangs the Safari browser in an Extraordinarily ugly way. it will run with FireFox, but then if you go to a Shockwave page in Safari any time later by accident, you're hosed. so you can't even use it with FF just for those pages; if it's on the machine, Safari will vomit eventually.

would love to participate in some of the discussions of patterns, but unless folks start posting images, i can't.
 
... what I can do is use QEMU (like VMWare) to run Windows in a virtual machine on my Linux box. But that would still require me to buy a licensed copy of Windows 7.

Yes, but then at least you could get decent games to run :).

Macromedia won't ever support Shockwave on Unix-like machines. The cost would be horrendous for no noticeable gain. They wouldn't even get good will out of it... I can already imagine the posts on Slashdot....
 
Macromedia won't ever support Shockwave on Unix-like machines. The cost would be horrendous for no noticeable gain. They wouldn't even get good will out of it... I can already imagine the posts on Slashdot....

That may be true, but they don't have to do anything. Programmers in the Linux community to are willing to develop their own version of a player, but Macromedia is enforcing copyright on the technology and won't let them. And that, to me, makes them a Micro$oft Tool.
 
That may be true, but they don't have to do anything. Programmers in the Linux community to are willing to develop their own version of a player, but Macromedia is enforcing copyright on the technology and won't let them. And that, to me, makes them a Micro$oft Tool.

Well, this really isn't the place for this discussion, but it would be difficult to do, and I have my doubts about anybody really being willing to spend several years developing a display mechanism for a moribund graphics technology. People capable of doing that kind of work would better serve both themselves and the community doing something useful with X3D/WebGL before those get overrun by proprietary technology, also.
 
That may be true, but they don't have to do anything. Programmers in the Linux community to are willing to develop their own version of a player, but Macromedia is enforcing copyright on the technology and won't let them. And that, to me, makes them a Micro$oft Tool.

True, and nothing else matters-- kind of *i m the world beater* buisness as usual. Many things could have been much more comfortable with Linux--but as long as MS forces some *little* other company to just produce for MS Systems...Linux will always have a bit disadvantage.
Sad but true,
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Is there any alternative to Cuetable out there? I feel left out of these "how would you play this?" threads because the images are blocked where I work and at home I run Linux. Cuetable is done using Macromedia Shockwave, and Macromedia REFUSES to support Linux, so there is no browser plugin for me to use.

There is a hack where you can use Wine (software for running Windows programs under Linux) to install the Windows version of Firefox and then the Shockwave plugin, but I can't get it to work. Windows Firefox runs perfectly, but once I install the Shockwave plugin, Firefox crashes.

Help...

Winston846,

Do you have a link for the setup that you're describing above? I also run linux and cannot use cuetable. If I can get it set up on my end, i may be able to assist.

Also, I thought of using VMWare before, but it was slow. I may try qemu if I can't get wine/ff/shockwave working.

eldowan
 
I bumped into Wei a couple of months ago. He was looking at HMTL 5 as a successor to Flash. I didn't have a background in HMTL 5, but I offered to help. Rather than sit by the sidelines and complain, I thought it was more productive to help.
 
Winston846,

Do you have a link for the setup that you're describing above? I also run linux and cannot use cuetable. If I can get it set up on my end, i may be able to assist.

Also, I thought of using VMWare before, but it was slow. I may try qemu if I can't get wine/ff/shockwave working.

eldowan

I don't have the link off the top of my head. I just Googled "Shockwave player Linux" and came across the Wine hack.
 
I bumped into Wei a couple of months ago. He was looking at HMTL 5 as a successor to Flash. I didn't have a background in HMTL 5, but I offered to help. Rather than sit by the sidelines and complain, I thought it was more productive to help.

My complaint is not directed at Cuetable or Wei, it's directed at Macromedia, and not because they don't support Linux, but because they WON'T support Linux. Not all of us live in a Microsoft world.
 
My complaint is not directed at Cuetable or Wei, it's directed at Macromedia, and not because they don't support Linux, but because they WON'T support Linux. Not all of us live in a Microsoft world.

+1

As a Unix/Linux administrator I run into these problems all the time. It's a HUGE pita to find workarounds for some of these issues and, if you're lucky, it might work. Right now, most code is portable to various OS's and companies that refuse to port/support really irritate me.
 
Alternative to embedding live CueTable links directly in posts here

Folks:

Do we have any Firefox users out there? (Rhetorical and silly question, to lay the foundation for why I'm asking.)

If we do, there's a really cool (and FREE!) plugin called "Fireshot" that will capture anything being displayed in your browser.

What is unique about this particular screen capture utility, is that it will allow you to capture the ENTIRE web page in the browser, including the parts of the page that are not visible because they're hidden by the scrollbar. (That is to say, if you have a web page that normally requires you to manipulate scrollbars to see all of it, Fireshot will capture the ENTIRE web page without scroll bars.) It will then pop that graphic into an impromptu editor, and from there you can fence whatever portion of that graphic you like, and crop it, cut it, save it, etc.

I use this plugin at work all the time, to do my network security vulnerability assessment reports as a consultant, and often, certain tools I use (e.g. SolarWinds Orion) generate reports where the graphics (histograms, pie charts, et al.) do not all fit within a browser window without scrollbars.

Here's where you can get it:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/fireshot/

I offer this not so much to address the immediate issue of CueTables not being able to be viewed under non-Windoze OSes, but more for the alternative aspect. That is, instead of embedding the live CueTable links into posts directly, you instead grab a snapshot of the displayed CueTable and attach it to the post as a .JPEG or .PNG file. This way ALL viewers/visitors can see your CueTable layout without having to muck with CueTable plugins or Macromedia crap.

Once you install it, it's really easy to use:

1. Create your CueTable layout on the CueTable website.

2. Once you get your shot diagram the way you like it, you don't even have to save it. As it's being displayed on your screen, just press [Ctrl] + [Alt] + [z] (this is the keyboard shortcut for Fireshot).

3. An impromptu editor will be invoked, with your entire CueTable session snapped into it, and your cursor is now a fence crosshair.

4. Fence the part of the screen you want to show in your post (you'll probably want to place a fence around just the pool table graphic), and after you complete your fence, when you release your mouse button, a dialog will pop-up asking you what you want to do. Click the [Copy] button, which will copy *just* the part inside your fence, to your Clipboard. (When I say "Clipboard," I mean the Windows Clipboard if you're using Windoze, or the Gnome/KDE Clipboard if you're using Linux or Solaris.)

5. Save that Clipboarded graphic as a .JPEG or .PNG file, and attach it to your post.

It may look involved (e.g. five steps -- but that's only because of how I explained the process), but it's actually quite easy. Once you get that [Ctrl] + [Alt] + [z] keyboard shortcut memorized and embedded in your fingers, it's quite natural, and you can forget about the very specialized process of embedding "live" CueTable links in your post.

Again, this is just an alternative to embedding live CueTable links.

TO-DO List for Sean: find out how to address the "multi-page" CueTable issue -- what graphic formats besides TIFF support multiple pages? Will TIFF graphics even display correctly here in vBulletin? I'll have to check into that...

-Sean
 
+1

As a Unix/Linux administrator I run into these problems all the time. It's a HUGE pita to find workarounds for some of these issues and, if you're lucky, it might work. Right now, most code is portable to various OS's and companies that refuse to port/support really irritate me.

You should have seen what I had to go through to watch the World's last year. Of course, they were being streamed with Silverlight, so I thought I was screwed, but there is a plug-in for FireFox that I got to work, but the chat room wouldn't work with Firefox. Google Chrome was the opposite, though. The chat room worked, but the Silverlight plug-in didn't. So I had the stream opened in Firefox and was using Google Chrome to chat.

Strange, but it worked...
 
there's a really cool (and FREE!) plugin called "Fireshot" that will capture anything being displayed in your browser.

2. Once you get your shot diagram the way you like it, you don't even have to save it. As it's being displayed on your screen, just press [Ctrl] + [Alt] + [z] (this is the keyboard shortcut for Fireshot).
That's a nice hint Sean, but even as a Firefox user (okay I confess I didn't know about the plugin you described) I have always find it easy just to press PrintScreen "PrtScr" button on my keyboard to get a snapshot of graphics or whatever displayed in browser window (let's suppose Wei layout for the given example) and proceed with opening my graph editor. Ctrl-V, crop, that's it :) What could be easier?
 
That's a nice hint Sean, but even as a Firefox user (okay I confess I didn't know about the plugin you described) I have always find it easy just to press PrintScreen "PrtScr" button on my keyboard to get a snapshot of graphics or whatever displayed in browser window (let's suppose Wei layout for the given example) and proceed with opening my graph editor. Ctrl-V, crop, that's it :) What could be easier?

Vahmurka:

The built-in "[PrtScrn]" (or [Alt]+[PrtScrn] if you just want to capture the currently active dialog bog, not the entire screen) and subsequent crop in your favorite graphics editor is great if everything fits within your browser window without having to manipulate scrollbars. If that's the case, FireShot only offers you added abilities in this situation, that you may or may not need to use.

But what if you're viewing a webpage in your browser that doesn't fit all at once, and requires manipulation of the browser's scrollbars to see? For example, if you view the entire forum listing here at AZB:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/index.php

I don't know about your particular workstation screen resolution, but that entire page doesn't fit in my browser without a vertical scrollbar on the right side of the browser window. I have to manipulate this scrollbar up and down to see that entire forum listing's page.

Unless you manipulate your screen fonts and view/zoom settings in your browser (thereby losing a significant amount of resolution/fidelity and making the resulting screen image unreadable), there's no way to capture the entire page in one fell swoop, including portions not visible to you because they're hidden by a scrollbar. FireShot does that.

Anyway, if [PrtScrn] (or [Alt]+[PrtScrn]) does what you need -- excellent! Hopefully we can see folks doing this -- including snapshots of CueTables and not live CueTable links themselves -- with the same or less amount of work, so that non-Windoze users can benefit.

Like Lance mentions, it p!sses me off that vendors like MacroMedia can bolt themselves to the hip of Microsoft and alienate a non-trivial segment of the technology marketplace.

-Sean
 
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