CueTable Tournament - Who's in?

Match 2 Judgement

Match 2

George
OUT PLAN SUCCESS ESTIMATE (OPSE): 20 points
A lot of tricky balls in this out and George takes 2 of the easier balls (the 11 and 10) earlier than he needs to I think. The 10 to the 14 could cause a problem, though the 14 and 12 could go into the bottom left corner which gives some margin for error. 12 to 13 could potentially be difficult without a friendly angle on the 14, but the finish looks smooth: 15 points
Score is based partly on the increased difficulty of the out.

PATH ACCURACY: 10 points
All paths look realistic and optimal to me: 10 points
PATH SIMPLICITY: 10 points
Not too much extraneous CB running: 9 points
PROBLEM BALL HANDLING : 10 points
Leaving 14, 12 and 15 to 3 of last 4 balls potentially a problem: 8 points

Total: 42 Points.

BillYards
OUT PLAN SUCCESS ESTIMATE (OPSE): 20 points
Billiards chose spots which made the first shot a bit harder and made the 6, 7 and 2 potentially problem balls. These he played as 3 of his last 4 balls which I think wasn't necessary. He could have played for the 6 after his first shot and left the 4, 5 and 1 as potential savers. Still, I doubt he'd find many problems going the way he chose, except for the 7 to 2 ball, but he could have used the 1 as a second chance option here. The 2 is the most challenging ball in this out, but should be manageable with the 1 giving a second chance for position. Overall I think the spots present a better out chance: 16 points

PATH ACCURACY: 10 points
Can't see anything wrong: 10 points

PATH SIMPLICITY: 10 points
Pretty good except the 7 to 2: 9 points

PROBLEM BALL HANDLING : 10 points
I think the ideal plan should have left the 5 and 4 as savers and attacked the 7 and 6 early: 8 points

Total: 43 points
BillYards by a whisker in my judgement. But again, both show a clear understanding of patterns and CB control.

Colin
 

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Andrew Manning said:
Good match, Perk.

Well judged, Colin, except that of course from my biased point of view I'd have assessed the points differently. Is it too early to claim a spot in the next tournament?

-Andrew
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Cheers for the good sportsmanship Andrew:)
Of course my judgement is subjective. There is no correct answer...well, maybe if Efren was the judge it would be hard to argue:D ...but then again, what's right for one player is maybe not a good shot choice for another.

In this game, I think we can participate just as much by analyzing the other's solutions and suggesting our own preferences.

Doing this is more time consuming than I imagined, but I do hope we can have more such challenges...either tourney's or simply best run-out challenges.

I think looking for an intelligent way to critique an OUT PLAN is a good way for us to learn to more quickly asses out route options in our real games.

Playing yesterday I was thinking more deeply about my planning and coming up with the occassional simple pattern that made my finishes comparitively much easier. Often when practicing I just take a route that looks ok, thinking that the practice is more about execution than planning, but practicing one's planning really is a useful exercise and should pay dividends when faced with real matches...when often the pressure of the situation makes it difficult to think clearly.
 
Match 3 Judgement

Match 3

mnShooter
OUT PLAN SUCCESS ESTIMATE (OPSE): 20 points
This is a pretty easy out, with the major potential problem being the 9-ball as I see it. I would have prefered to get on the 9 earlier, playing the 15 first up or the 10 to 13 or getting rid of the 14 and 11 first up and then going up for the 13 ball and then the 9. I think mnS' choice of 9 to the 11 could create problems: 17 points

PATH ACCURACY: 10 points
Paths are good other than the 12 ball which is a bit straight with awkward bridging: 9 points
PATH SIMPLICITY: 10 points
No arguments with this: 10 points
PROBLEM BALL HANDLING : 10 points
As I said, 9 ball...but also 11 ball left to near end which could create problems and no back up solutions: 8 points

Total: 44 Points.

jsp
OUT PLAN SUCCESS ESTIMATE (OPSE): 20 points
jsp goes for the 10 first also, but gets straight on the 14 so as to deal with the 14 and 11 early and to move up the table to deal with the 9-ball.

I prefer this strategy, but I don't see why taking the 10 first is necessary as it could have been a handy saver later and wouldn't have required playing 3 cushions to get on the 14 ball. The 10 is a great ball to get on the 14 for the finish as I see it.

I'd also prefer to see the optimal shot selected, and this would be position on the 13 to draw back or stun across directly for the 14 ball. But overall I think this pattern has a pretty good chance: 18 points

PATH ACCURACY: 10 points
Can't see anything wrong: 10 points

PATH SIMPLICITY: 10 points
Pretty good except the 3 railer: 9 points

PROBLEM BALL HANDLING : 10 points
Good, got rid of 11 and 9 early but 14 presented a challenge later: 9 points

Total: 46 points
jsp sneaks in by 2 points.

Check PM for bank account details j/k:D

Colin
 

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Colin:

Thanks for running this tourney... It turned out to be even more fun than I originally thought it would be...

And I agree with your previous post... during the high-pressure moments (in tournaments), good planning can allow you to shoot simpler shots and easier position routes, thus helping to negate some of the pressure... Once you see the best out pattern, it all becomes easier...
 
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Match 4 Judgement

Match 4

Captain JR
OUT PLAN SUCCESS ESTIMATE (OPSE): 20 points
JR deals with the problem 12 and 15 balls early, but makes the serious flaw of playing his first shot that would seem to almost surely block the 8-ball. I also think he played to be a bit short on the 10 ball in the finish. I think he created a nice pattern but made the blunder on blocking the 8-ball...a mental lapse, that even very good players could do. Due to that block, the out OPSE has to drop significantly as he'll likely need to kiss the 8 out or bank it later: 14 points

PATH ACCURACY: 10 points
Maybe tricky to hold on the 9 first shot: 9 points
PATH SIMPLICITY: 10 points
Good simple paths: 10 points
PROBLEM BALL HANDLING : 10 points
Dealt with problem balls early, but maybe created a problem with the 8: 9 points

Total: 42 Points.

thoffen
OUT PLAN SUCCESS ESTIMATE (OPSE): 20 points
First shot looks tough. I do like dealing with the 15 early, but I think running side half ball kiss out, bringing the 15 out and the CB up for the 9, 13, 10 or 12 would be a better percentage and would still clear the 4 ball from the 8 ball. The rest of the pattern is good...hard to mess up.
: 17 points

PATH ACCURACY: 10 points
If the 6 ball could be hit, it would travel further I think, maybe bocking the 12. I also think the draw shot off the 12 is drawn a bit sharper than is realistic or optimal in playing for idea angles: 8 points

PATH SIMPLICITY: 10 points
Created a simple path route: 9 points

PROBLEM BALL HANDLING : 10 points
Got rid of problem balls very early, though method on the 15 is suspect: 9 points

Total: 43 points
thoffen by a point. JR's likely blocking the 8-ball cost him.

Semi-Finals will be:
Perk v BillYards
jsp v thoffen

These players must reply to this thread within 24 hours or I will subsitute them with their opponents in the first round.

I'l put up the tables for these matches shortly.

Thanks for all who participated in the first round. The standard of all showed an advanced understanding of the game...and a talent for learning how to use the Cuetable software:D

Colin
 

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Semi Final Table Challenges

Semi Final 1
Perk v Billyards
http://CueTable.com/P/?01hrw02i|(03nSy04Sy*05JfH06mph07;|X08OCJ09S&e10px!11VKR12F(|13y&E14apN15XoZ16TNb19!)O

Semi Final 2
jsp v thoffen
http://CueTable.com/P/?01Zb$02dfW03(kI04K~o05SKx06Mv}07nqT08Eg~09ERq10TA]11rTQ12vT(13F}C14UfE15ZFb16xXy19!)O

As before, send your solutions to me via PM.
Either send to me of confirm your participation within 24 hours...by Friday evening US time.
 

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thoffen said:
Good matches here. OK jsp, may the best shooter win. :)
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And good luck to you as well on our next match...hopefully we don't miscue.

Nice match mnshooter. The judging is all subjective, and i'm pretty sure you would have won if this match took place on a real table. I would have missed my first shot on the 10!

Colin...we appreciate your time holding and judging this revolutionary tournament. It's both fun and educational. (BTW, the check is in mail. You'll get the rest of your money after I win the finals. :cool: )
 
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BillYards said:
Colin:

Thanks for running this tourney... It turned out to be even more fun than I originally thought it would be...

And I agree with your previous post... during the high-pressure moments (in tournaments), good planning can allow you to shoot simpler shots and easier position routes, thus helping to negate some of the pressure... Once you see the best out pattern, it all becomes easier...
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Cheers BY,
It's been a good way for me to improve my game analysis thinking and also to get familiar with the cuetable software. www.cuetable.com (for those just tuning in)

The random rack feature is a great study tool. It's a shame they seem to be spread completely randomly, which is not realistic. Usually there are more balls down the rack end after the break. I have to shuffle through several random patterns before I find a realistic one, but it's a good exercise to find these realistic looking racks and try to assess a run out strategy.
 
Good luck Bill...

I will get mine submitted tonight to Colin.

Good match Andrew. I really felt like ours was pretty close. Only thing different was the start and ending points. All the balls in the middle were playable in any order with minimum cb movement.
 
mnShooter said:
I see how it is. So how much did he pay you? I want a new judge!!!
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haha...If there were money on the line, soon enough the moderators would look like the 'in crowd' compared to me:D

Anyway, I volunteered and am enjoying the challenge, and hope you guys are having some fun and learning a few things, It's a weird thing to try to score in a way that makes sense, especially as the standard of entries seems pretty high and close to me. I'm sure if we saw some inexperienced players putting in submissions, the differences would be very clear immediately.

A note on my thinking when judging:
Draw the ideal paths for shots. I'll try to imagine the recovery options based on being long or short. Helps if players explain their thinking on shots regarding their options and reason for choices of shots.

btw: I have thoffen's submission already. I can tell jsp he has almost no chance to surpass the genius of thoffen:p
 
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Colin Colenso said:
btw: I have thoffen's submission already. I can tell jsp he has almost no chance to surpass the genius of thoffen:p
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Awww shucks Colin. Didn't your momma teach you that sarcasm is cruel? :)
 
thoffen said:
Awww shucks Colin. Didn't your momma teach you that sarcasm is cruel? :)
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I need to soften you up, so that the body blows of my final judgement have maximum debilitating effect:p
 
Colin Colenso said:
I need to soften you up, so that the body blows of my final judgement have maximum debilitating effect:p
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If you ask my ex, I'm too soft already. :p

What are you ladies looking at? No, I don't have that problem. I swear!!
 
Good luck to you too Perk! Don't forget to call your pocket on the 8! (Just being stupid!) Have fun!
 
Colin..your pm box is full...empty, and I will send it in the morning...

Bill, 8ball in the corner. .. :)
 
1st Semi Final Results

Please provide some analysis / comparison of these out plans by thoffen and jsp. Who is the most deserving winner?
 

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