xX-Wizard-Xx
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Its a custom for somebody else....
Custom Cue, what makes it custom?
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Still considered a custom cue. I'm not gonna start splitting hairs over this.
xX-Wizard-Xx
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im talking about resellers selling "Custom cues" just to mark them up. im not talking about the cue builders.... they deserve what they ask.
Production cues are done in mass quantity. It can be argued the QA is not as high due to the volumes. There is nothing unique and you have no idea who had a hand in making it. There is some customization from manufacturers. Wraps, tips etc. I wouldn't call adding a wrap to production cue a custom cue. Some definitions in this thread could argue it.
Custom cues on the other hand are the opposite. They are unique small batches or one of's specific to that request. You could go so far as to call them "Customer Cues" as it is the customer ordering and requesting. In the small shop you know who worked on it and when that cue goes out the door it is likely to be immaculate since the builders name is on the line.
When i see someone spend 3k on a production cue, it makes me cringe. Since i know there is so much better on the market from the little guys.
Custom cues on the other hand are the opposite. They are unique small batches or one of's specific to that request. You could go so far as to call them "Customer Cues" as it is the customer ordering and requesting. In the small shop you know who worked on it and when that cue goes out the door it is likely to be immaculate since the builders name is on the line.
When i see someone spend 3k on a production cue, it makes me cringe. Since i know there is so much better on the market from the little guys.
dirtvictim
Ignore the entitled they haven't earned respect
So he's been here since 1961?
dirtvictim
Ignore the entitled they haven't earned respect
However now it's BOATT break out another ten thousand.
dirtvictim
Ignore the entitled they haven't earned respect
I would say it's all about attention to detail that elevates to custom made, even in a custom makers "series" the level of detail usually exceeds factory manufacture.
I agree but its like a 'sneaky pete', what was once basically a bar-cue with a joint has become any full splice wrapless regardless of price. Any hand-made is often referred to as a 'custom' as opposed to cue made in a large factory/shop. Pedantic semantics.
And what of the "custom" made in the small shop, with a Schmelke blank and parts from Muller's?
Are those custom builders riding on the history of GB using Burton Spain blanks? Or Rambow and Brunswick?
Are those custom builders riding on the history of GB using Burton Spain blanks? Or Rambow and Brunswick?
They are still customs in my opinion. Possibly not as desired but custom.
I would allow for this in my definition above.
Here you are starting with wood blank even if they are not a single piece of wood from a single tree.
I understand the definition. My point is that there are very few craftsman who can produce a four point splice, much less with even points.
Well if you order what I call a stick Cue, man of the builder will do Custom Shaft Sizes/Taper, voice of Tip, Wraps. Not a true Custom, Maybe the term is Customized.
I have said before the guy who was like # 1 Player in AZ. Cue of choice was McDermott, with LePro.
Today Cue is some, Tip is Morri M.
I have no problem with anybody charging and/or paying a premium for "I want it now!", be it custom cues, knives, guns, bikes or cars.
Don't like the up charge, get in line.
People who buy and sell Cues, Gun, knives, or most thing do it to make a few bucks.
People are entitled to a profit, like if you park money in local Bank you should get some intrest.
So it you have been on Southwest list since 2006, finally get you Cue, decide to sell. Would be stupid not to make some money on transaction.
Would be intresting to ask average Customer Cue builder, their investment in equipment, and support items. Cost of Wood aging until it ready.
Most of these people have major investment in their Cue building business.
Try walking in to the grocery store, and crying about prices.
Candy is big make up, CVS us to see theater box of M n Ms, $1.79, post Covid $2.29, on sale one in blue moon $1.00. Bade Commissary $0.86 everyday. Grocery stores are screwing us.
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Custom is when the customer tells the cue maker to build, or finish a cue that’s underway,
but with features, design or specifications the customer provided to the cue maker to follow
building your cue. Just selecting different veneer colors doesn’t quite cut the mustard, IMO.
There’s also the school of thought that every 1 of a kind design cue is a custom. I still submit
that unless the customer had a say in the cue’s final specifications, it’s a stretch to call it custom.
It may be a 1 of a kind cue by the cue maker but nonetheless, it was still finished using his specs.
Let’s see how others view the term Custom Cue. My definition is pretty simple and straightforward.
The price of the cue doesn’t decide if it was custom made. It’s more why the cue was built that way.
When the cue maker constructs the cue adhering to the customer’s instructions, it is custom made.
but with features, design or specifications the customer provided to the cue maker to follow
building your cue. Just selecting different veneer colors doesn’t quite cut the mustard, IMO.
There’s also the school of thought that every 1 of a kind design cue is a custom. I still submit
that unless the customer had a say in the cue’s final specifications, it’s a stretch to call it custom.
It may be a 1 of a kind cue by the cue maker but nonetheless, it was still finished using his specs.
Let’s see how others view the term Custom Cue. My definition is pretty simple and straightforward.
The price of the cue doesn’t decide if it was custom made. It’s more why the cue was built that way.
When the cue maker constructs the cue adhering to the customer’s instructions, it is custom made.
The words custom and production, in regards to cue makers, are absolutely meaningless. There literally are no such things.
One reason why is that everybody has a different definition for "custom" and "production" cue maker. When everybody means something different, those terms have no real meaning.
Then there is the fact that for every definition of "custom" cue maker there is, including all the ones in this thread, there are examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "custom" makers who do not meet that definition, and/or examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "production" makers who do meet the definition. And for every definition of "production" cue maker there is, including all the ones in this thread, there are examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "production" makers who do not meet that definition, and/or examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "custom" makers who do meet the definition. If you think you disagree with that, then let's hear your exact definitions of "custom" and "production" cue makers where this isn't true, but nobody has ever been able to do it yet. And if you can't do it, you have to admit that the terms are more or less meaningless and have little value.
The closest thing there is to a consensus in their definitions is that the prestige of the maker is a large part of most people's definitions, with makers they perceive to have more prestige in the marketplace being labeled "custom" makers, and those they perceive to have less prestige in the marketplace being labeled "production" makers. Regardless of how common it is, it is still a pretty dumb way to define the terms in whole or in part, yet perceived prestige is the thing that carries the most weight in most people's definitions.
Before somebody calls me on it, I too use the terms on occasion for ease of conversation in the same way that most use it, to either denote the cue maker's prestige in the market, or to denote what they are almost universally labeled as by the market (whether right or wrong). It's still dumb though, and I try to avoid the terms for the most part.
One reason why is that everybody has a different definition for "custom" and "production" cue maker. When everybody means something different, those terms have no real meaning.
Then there is the fact that for every definition of "custom" cue maker there is, including all the ones in this thread, there are examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "custom" makers who do not meet that definition, and/or examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "production" makers who do meet the definition. And for every definition of "production" cue maker there is, including all the ones in this thread, there are examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "production" makers who do not meet that definition, and/or examples of cue makers who are widely considered by the person using the term or the market to be "custom" makers who do meet the definition. If you think you disagree with that, then let's hear your exact definitions of "custom" and "production" cue makers where this isn't true, but nobody has ever been able to do it yet. And if you can't do it, you have to admit that the terms are more or less meaningless and have little value.
The closest thing there is to a consensus in their definitions is that the prestige of the maker is a large part of most people's definitions, with makers they perceive to have more prestige in the marketplace being labeled "custom" makers, and those they perceive to have less prestige in the marketplace being labeled "production" makers. Regardless of how common it is, it is still a pretty dumb way to define the terms in whole or in part, yet perceived prestige is the thing that carries the most weight in most people's definitions.
Before somebody calls me on it, I too use the terms on occasion for ease of conversation in the same way that most use it, to either denote the cue maker's prestige in the market, or to denote what they are almost universally labeled as by the market (whether right or wrong). It's still dumb though, and I try to avoid the terms for the most part.
Having every part of the cue made to your specifications.Term Custom is throw out a lot.
How do you define Custom V/S stock,
