cut induced throw?

Redwing4114

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How do you tell how much spin to use on CIT? On all my shots I usually shoot soft since I am not as accurate when I shoot hard. I usually forget to compensate and it still pockets the shot.

At what angle does CIT not occur?
Is CIT more if the shot is hard or soft?
What is the rule of thumb dealing with CIT?
 
cut induced throw is what high priced instructors call it.
us regular mortals call it friction
the thicker the cut more friction
more speed more friction
the farther the ball is from the pocket the more it will travel off course
so you need to factor in all three
thickness of the cut
speed
distance to pocket.
good luck
 
Redwing4114 said:
How do you tell how much spin to use on CIT?
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My advice is to use none for that purpose (use spin for shape, not for pocketing), but if you insist, the rule of thumb is to hit the CB 2/5 of the way from centerball to the point opposite the CB/OB contact point.

At what angle does CIT not occur?
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At all angles except very thin. You get the most CIT with about a half ball hit.

Is CIT more if the shot is hard or soft?
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Soft. Also more with a sliding CB (no follow or draw).

What is the rule of thumb dealing with CIT?
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Don't worry about it unless the shot is 1/2 ball or less with stun (no follow or draw on the CB) - then adjust your aim, not CB spin.

pj
chgo
 
Redwing4114 said:
How do you tell how much spin to use on CIT? On all my shots I usually shoot soft since I am not as accurate when I shoot hard. I usually forget to compensate and it still pockets the shot.

At what angle does CIT not occur?
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0 degrees.

Is CIT more if the shot is hard or soft?
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Soft.


What is the rule of thumb dealing with CIT?
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There isn't one because conditions determine the amount of it. Humid vs. dry, dirty vs. clean, waxed vs unwaxed.....

Some aiming systems, such as CTE which I use, seem to guide the user to a slight overcut which seems to deal with CIT nearly 100% of the time as far as I can tell.

(don't mention that you might consider trying an aiming system though to deal with CIT or it will start a shitstorm)
 
JB Cases said:
(don't mention that you might consider trying an aiming system though to deal with CIT or it will start a shitstorm)
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Been a few years since I've been on here but that I do remember lol.

I think you were banned the last time I was on here for arguments about cte. Sorry, just trying to catch up on the drama a little.
 
Factors

The factors have everything to do with these type of shots, like John said the cloth, dirty vs clean balls, distance of shot, shape needed, humid vs dry room,and of course speed, probably need a very long acronym to go thru the whole checklist then of course you might look like you're engineering a suspension bridge trying to judge the shot, see it feel it and do it. HAMB it up.
 
JoeyInCali said:
I think worrying about CIT makes you miss more .
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I agree. It never crosses my mind. Soft stun shots which are meant to be the worst go where I want. Nothing trumps experience in understanding how pool balls react.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I agree with most of your post, but this is backwards (maybe a typo?). More speed = less friction.

pj
chgo
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I meant the harder you hit it the more it throws the shot off.
If you feather it to the middle of the pocket then take the same shot and add speed to the cue ball you will under cut the shot.
Better?
 
measureman said:
I meant the harder you hit it the more it throws the shot off.
If you feather it to the middle of the pocket then take the same shot and add speed to the cue ball you will under cut the shot.
Better?
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Yes, I meant hitting harder too (= more speed) - generally it reduces friction and throw.

pj <- might not be true for all cases (?)
chgo
 
Redwing4114:
What is the rule of thumb dealing with CIT?
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JB Cases:
There isn't one because conditions determine the amount of it.
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There is one rule of thumb (I mentioned it above) that takes all conditions into account: outside ("gearing") English* eliminates CIT under all conditions.

That's not an endorsement of gearing English (I never use it), just mentioning it since it was asked.

pj
chgo

[*To produce gearing English, hit the CB 2/5 of the way from centerball to the point opposite the CB/OB contact point.]
 
CTE naturally over cuts the ball. What if there is no CIT? Do you miss?

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Redwing4114 said:
How do you tell how much spin to use on CIT? On all my shots I usually shoot soft since I am not as accurate when I shoot hard. I usually forget to compensate and it still pockets the shot.

At what angle does CIT not occur?
Is CIT more if the shot is hard or soft?
What is the rule of thumb dealing with CIT?
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Everything you could ever want to know about CIT, including answers to questions like yours (and many more) can be found (with demonstrations) on the throw resource page.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
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