Cyclop Balls and Cloth Wear

wrickyb said:
Are you sure it was the Straight Pool? They were using Aramith balls which was a sponsor of the Straight Pool
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It was definitely on one of the straight pool tables.
They packed up the Aramiths every night....
....so I think it was the balls that came with the tables.
 
AtLarge said:
Not according to Ivan Lee of Simonis/Aramith: http://www.azbilliards.com/news/sto...c-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/
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You're right -- according to him.

I think what we have here are competitors making competing claims. I suppose an independent lab test would help but I doubt that's going to happen.

One thing I do know from personal experience, comparing a new set of Aramiths to a new set of Cyclop balls, is that the Cyclop balls stay cleaner waaaaay longer. I've been told, by PS at Diamond, that is because of the higher phenolic resin content that makes the Cyclop balls harder and able to be polished to a smoother finish. YMMV.

Just as a general comment: being able to adjust to different equipment is a skill in and of itself. Some tournaments and pool halls use Aramiths and/or Centennials. At many pool halls these balls have miles and miles on them and there is often a pygmy CB to add to the fun. More and more pool halls are using Cyclop to go with their Diamond tables. Other times you have to adjust to a measles v a red circle CB. At one major venue in the midwest, players are shuttled from GCs to a Diamond table, from tournament round to tournament round.

Sooooo, like I said, good players learn to adjust regardless of their preferences. I own several sets of balls and have come to peace with all of them. It's the price of being out in the world. OTOH, if you're just going to play in your basement all the time, certainly you should use whatever you prefer. Overall, I think that sometimes -- when people complain about one set of balls or another -- I wonder whether they ever get out into the world. I've played in tournaments where the entire set of balls don't match -- management having replaced stolen 8balls and/or 9balls with spares from other sets that obviously don't match; red circle CBs that are so small and old they should be called pink circles; on tables that roll off or have gaffe pockets or tons of tears in them or a dead rail or two.

But oh my, gosh me! God forbid they don't like the colors of a certain set or the way a particular CB plays, lol.

The translucency of the original Cyclop CB was part of an effort to make the CB more distinguishable to the Diamond Smart Table optical density sensor. And yes, the ball played differently than a red circle, which plays different from a measles CB. Now there is the Cyclop red dot which is better matched and plays very near a red circle. You should try it. Manufacturers are usually trying to improve their product. GCs went from the GC1 to the GC5. Diamond went from the Red label to the Blue label and even Blue labels will have changes in the future.

Look at all the generations shaft makers have gone through, and for that matter, pool cue makers in general. Over the course of time they learn things about their product and player preferences. As to the opinion of pros, take a look at tournament results. The same guys seem to do fine with the Cyclop balls.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
You're right -- according to him.

I think what we have here are competitors making competing claims. I suppose an independent lab test would help but I doubt that's going to happen.

One thing I do know from personal experience, comparing a new set of Aramiths to a new set of Cyclop balls, is that the Cyclop balls stay cleaner waaaaay longer. I've been told, by PS at Diamond, that is because of the higher phenolic resin content that makes the Cyclop balls harder and able to be polished to a smoother finish. YMMV.

Just as a general comment: being able to adjust to different equipment is a skill in and of itself. Some tournaments and pool halls use Aramiths and/or Centennials. At many pool halls these balls have miles and miles on them and there is often a pygmy CB to add to the fun. More and more pool halls are using Cyclop to go with their Diamond tables. Other times you have to adjust to a measles v a red circle CB. At one major venue in the midwest, players are shuttled from GCs to a Diamond table, from tournament round to tournament round.

Sooooo, like I said, good players learn to adjust regardless of their preferences. I own several sets of balls and have come to peace with all of them. It's the price of being out in the world. OTOH, if you're just going to play in your basement all the time, certainly you should use whatever you prefer. Overall, I think that sometimes -- when people complain about one set of balls or another -- I wonder whether they ever get out into the world. I've played in tournaments where the entire set of balls don't match -- management having replaced stolen 8balls and/or 9balls with spares from other sets that obviously don't match; red circle CBs that are so small and old they should be called pink circles; on tables that roll off or have gaffe pockets or tons of tears in them or a dead rail or two.

But oh my, gosh me! God forbid they don't like the colors of a certain set or the way a particular CB plays, lol.

The translucency of the original Cyclop CB was part of an effort to make the CB more distinguishable to the Diamond Smart Table optical density sensor. And yes, the ball played differently than a red circle, which plays different from a measles CB. Now there is the Cyclop red dot which is better matched and plays very near a red circle. You should try it. Manufacturers are usually trying to improve their product. GCs went from the GC1 to the GC5. Diamond went from the Red label to the Blue label and even Blue labels will have changes in the future.

Look at all the generations shaft makers have gone through, and for that matter, pool cue makers in general. Over the course of time they learn things about their product and player preferences. As to the opinion of pros, take a look a tournament results. The same guys seem to do fine with the Cyclop balls.

Lou Figueroa
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~Black Cat~ :thumbup:
 
Thanks for saying what I wanted to. i didnt want to type that much though! Spot on comments and observation. :thumbup:


lfigueroa said:
You're right -- according to him.

I think what we have here are competitors making competing claims. I suppose an independent lab test would help but I doubt that's going to happen.

One thing I do know from personal experience, comparing a new set of Aramiths to a new set of Cyclop balls, is that the Cyclop balls stay cleaner waaaaay longer. I've been told, by PS at Diamond, that is because of the higher phenolic resin content that makes the Cyclop balls harder and able to be polished to a smoother finish. YMMV.

Just as a general comment: being able to adjust to different equipment is a skill in and of itself. Some tournaments and pool halls use Aramiths and/or Centennials. At many pool halls these balls have miles and miles on them and there is often a pygmy CB to add to the fun. More and more pool halls are using Cyclop to go with their Diamond tables. Other times you have to adjust to a measles v a red circle CB. At one major venue in the midwest, players are shuttled from GCs to a Diamond table, from tournament round to tournament round.

Sooooo, like I said, good players learn to adjust regardless of their preferences. I own several sets of balls and have come to peace with all of them. It's the price of being out in the world. OTOH, if you're just going to play in your basement all the time, certainly you should use whatever you prefer. Overall, I think that sometimes -- when people complain about one set of balls or another -- I wonder whether they ever get out into the world. I've played in tournaments where the entire set of balls don't match -- management having replaced stolen 8balls and/or 9balls with spares from other sets that obviously don't match; red circle CBs that are so small and old they should be called pink circles; on tables that roll off or have gaffe pockets or tons of tears in them or a dead rail or two.

But oh my, gosh me! God forbid they don't like the colors of a certain set or the way a particular CB plays, lol.

The translucency of the original Cyclop CB was part of an effort to make the CB more distinguishable to the Diamond Smart Table optical density sensor. And yes, the ball played differently than a red circle, which plays different from a measles CB. Now there is the Cyclop red dot which is better matched and plays very near a red circle. You should try it. Manufacturers are usually trying to improve their product. GCs went from the GC1 to the GC5. Diamond went from the Red label to the Blue label and even Blue labels will have changes in the future.

Look at all the generations shaft makers have gone through, and for that matter, pool cue makers in general. Over the course of time they learn things about their product and player preferences. As to the opinion of pros, take a look a tournament results. The same guys seem to do fine with the Cyclop balls.

Lou Figueroa
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Bob Jewett said:
At least some chalk doesn't want to do that: https://youtu.be/avFjRgzTL-w?t=32s
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The statement was that it could only possibly end up on the ball or the table.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way because I appreciate your work, but I'm not going down the rabbit hole on this one because I just don't really much care where the chalk goes :rolleyes: and I should really just learn to stay out of some discussions.:grin:
 
Lesh said:
Cyclop balls are tacky to the touch and play as expected IMO. Too sticky. I prefer any other brand of ball with an Aramith red circle cue ball. Pure winnage.

Lesh
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After running my Cyclops set thru my Diamond polisher they feel the same as my Centennials and my Aramith Tournaments. As far as the ugly Cyclops TV set you get used to the colors after playing with them for awhile and they no longer seem to be as fugly.
 
I ordered the TV set of Cyclop Balls on Sunday. Total was $170.28 ($160 adv price) shipped, with Mi sales tax included. I live in Mi where the seller is so I don't know if others would have to pay sales tax. They are brand new sealed in the box. It also has the red dot cue ball and not the cyclop.
On the box it written in very faint lime green that almost blends in with the white

PHENOLIC RESIN BILLIARD BALLS
BASE ON HYATT TECHNOLOGY.

It is written as base and not based.


I wanted the TV balls just to have something different the the tradional Aramith sets that I have. After my order was placed I got a email from them showing this set.

http://www.sears.com/felson-billiar...id=ITp160406SRSRETCRTTriggeredSRSCriteoBrowse

These may be a good banger set for someone.

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BogeyFree said:
Who did you order them from?
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The info is on post 17. They also have the traditional color if you go directly to the sellers website. I ordered them on Sunday and got them today (Wed) around 1:00 pm

Have hit a few balls around since I got them. I like the way they look on my tournament blue Simonis.

The whites are really white, and the balls don't feel sticky.

I weighted all of them and they are all 169g using a OXO kitchen scale.

I think I did it right by weighting all of the balls and then dividing by 16. :bash::banghead:

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TheBook;5515568 I weighted all of them and they are all 169g using a OXO kitchen scale. I think I did it right by weighting all of the balls and then dividing by 16. :bash::banghead: 🎱[/QUOTE said:
I saw what you did there......:lol:
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