DAG. Darren just blasted Chip with 7 wins in a row to win the set.

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Fight Night 6 just ended, and Darren activated his top
one pocket gear to go from even, to winning the 7 ahead set. Ouch.

To be fair Chip's wheels also fell off a bit, but I never saw him go into give-up mode.
Darren just turned little half-mistakes into multi-ball runs.

Some random thoughts...

• Was positive Darren would win before the match, especially after the first rack.
Then he spent the rest of the night stuck 2-3 games behind chip haha.
So then I'm thinking "good thing I don't bet".

They got back to even near the end of the night, and decide to do one more rack.
Darren takes it, so he was up for exactly 2 racks yesterday... the first and the last.

• Tonight I missed most of the beginning but Chip erased that lead at some point.
I heard the first game took like an hour.
I may be wrong but I think Darren's streak started here? On the 2nd rack?

Do you think only one hour into Day 2, Chip suspected in any way that
it was the beginning of the end and he'd never win another rack?

• Chip probably has more 1p knowledge, but Darren's no dummy.
JJ liked almost everything he shot, and I think JJ disagreed
with more of Chip's shots than Darren's.

Darren's execution and cue ball are amazing.
But Chip is no slouch either, especially his shotmaking.
Seemed to drill every long tough cut when he needed to.

But... I know a guy who does violent JB-style steering
after some shots will never out-execute Darren.

• I can't get over how perfectly Darren hits those lag-speed long banks
off the head rail. I never saw someone hit them over and over like that.
I wonder if he has any secret besides a super straight stroke?
So many balls gennnntly crept into the pocket.

A lot of players try these, the object ball rebounds
a foot or so, and they sell out a cross-corner. Don't think Darren ever did this.

• One pocket has to be the worst game for little-known house rules.
Some shit about a stalemate with two frozen balls at the head rail = you spot one,
and it's either the highest numbered ball or player's choice? lol.
Ball gets made on the break. Spot it? Place it hanging in their hole? wtf...
did they discuss that?

• When guys are playing for $10,000... there definitely aren't any sleepers
that fail to get spotted.

• Decent stream quality, wish it could be a little more HD. And they spaced out
and would periodically remove the scoreboard so we could see the players better...
then forget to put it back up. I spent most of the final rack not knowing the ball
count until someone said Darren needs 2 balls.
But I do appreciate the stream and the commentary was great.

• Except for the part where they hated on everything I love in pool.
JJ and Scott both want to go back to old-school rules, behind the line,
don't call shots, no magic rack, no jump cues, and no handicaps.
Everyone should be proficient at spot shots. I'm sure they want slower cloth too.
Scott would like more dead money entering tournaments they can't win.

• I never saw a pool hall, until now, where literally 100% of the time, for hours,
from open to close, it's straight rap. Not even good fresh rap. Or oldschool 80's stuff.
Just shit that was played out two years ago. Straight Jay-Z, Kanye, 50 Cent, Eminem allll night.

They said Chip's cornerman was helping him by making sure
the jukebox was loaded with tunes he liked. :/

• They were so careful on the final rack that 14 balls ended up behind the head string.
Bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt.
But Darren did one of his trademark slow-roll full table banks,
converted some marginal cross corners, and just played it smart.
Did I mention he kicks as well as he banks?

One thing Chip does very well is take out hangers in the other guy's hole.

• Chip needs to get rid of that goofy "I'll occasionally get down and 1-stroke this,
just to be cool" habit he has. Or maybe he thinks it helps him pocket tough shots
if he doesn't overthink them. But whatever it is, he's gotta get rid of it.
It's killing him. I know JJ's gonna bring it up with him.

I believe I remember someone telling me at SBE that during a hill-hill rack,
someone missed and left chip a bank, and he walked up and 1-stroked it in.
I guess he thinks that's his 'style' or something.

• I remember Darren said (or people said ABOUT darren) that he doesn't like
long marathon sets. So I thought "well he's at a disadvantage then.
This could go on for weeks." I guess Darren decided to just wrap it up early.
I love that once he was on the hill, he didn't dog it and let the opportunity slip away.
 
Pretty good analysis. I have to watch the rest later from home. Internet sux at the shop. I left when tehy were one game apart.

Chipper defintitely left Darren too much to shoot at. Darren's execution is deadly.
 
I really thought Chip was going to take this down easily in the middle of the first day when he was up three games. I thought he just has to keep Darren tied up until he gets shots and it's over.
 
Fight Night 6 just ended, and Darren activated his top
one pocket gear to go from even, to winning the 7 ahead set. Ouch.

To be fair Chip's wheels also fell off a bit, but I never saw him go into give-up mode.
Darren just turned little half-mistakes into multi-ball runs.

Some random thoughts...

• Was positive Darren would win before the match, especially after the first rack.
Then he spent the rest of the night stuck 2-3 games behind chip haha.
So then I'm thinking "good thing I don't bet".

They got back to even near the end of the night, and decide to do one more rack.
Darren takes it, so he was up for exactly 2 racks yesterday... the first and the last.

• Tonight I missed most of the beginning but Chip erased that lead at some point.
I heard the first game took like an hour.
I may be wrong but I think Darren's streak started here? On the 2nd rack?

Do you think only one hour into Day 2, Chip suspected in any way that
it was the beginning of the end and he'd never win another rack?

• Chip probably has more 1p knowledge, but Darren's no dummy.
JJ liked almost everything he shot, and I think JJ disagreed
with more of Chip's shots than Darren's.

Darren's execution and cue ball are amazing.
But Chip is no slouch either, especially his shotmaking.
Seemed to drill every long tough cut when he needed to.

But... I know a guy who does violent JB-style steering
after some shots will never out-execute Darren.

• I can't get over how perfectly Darren hits those lag-speed long banks
off the head rail. I never saw someone hit them over and over like that.
I wonder if he has any secret besides a super straight stroke?
So many balls gennnntly crept into the pocket.

A lot of players try these, the object ball rebounds
a foot or so, and they sell out a cross-corner. Don't think Darren ever did this.

• One pocket has to be the worst game for little-known house rules.
Some shit about a stalemate with two frozen balls at the head rail = you spot one,
and it's either the highest numbered ball or player's choice? lol.
Ball gets made on the break. Spot it? Place it hanging in their hole? wtf...
did they discuss that?

• When guys are playing for $10,000... there definitely aren't any sleepers
that fail to get spotted.

• Decent stream quality, wish it could be a little more HD. And they spaced out
and would periodically remove the scoreboard so we could see the players better...
then forget to put it back up. I spent most of the final rack not knowing the ball
count until someone said Darren needs 2 balls.
But I do appreciate the stream and the commentary was great.

• Except for the part where they hated on everything I love in pool.
JJ and Scott both want to go back to old-school rules, behind the line,
don't call shots, no magic rack, no jump cues, and no handicaps.
Everyone should be proficient at spot shots. I'm sure they want slower cloth too.
Scott would like more dead money entering tournaments they can't win.

• I never saw a pool hall, until now, where literally 100% of the time, for hours,
from open to close, it's straight rap. Not even good fresh rap. Or oldschool 80's stuff.
Just shit that was played out two years ago. Straight Jay-Z, Kanye, 50 Cent, Eminem allll night.

They said Chip's cornerman was helping him by making sure
the jukebox was loaded with tunes he liked. :/

• They were so careful on the final rack that 14 balls ended up behind the head string.
Bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt.
But Darren did one of his trademark slow-roll full table banks,
converted some marginal cross corners, and just played it smart.
Did I mention he kicks as well as he banks?

One thing Chip does very well is take out hangers in the other guy's hole.

• Chip needs to get rid of that goofy "I'll occasionally get down and 1-stroke this,
just to be cool" habit he has. Or maybe he thinks it helps him pocket tough shots
if he doesn't overthink them. But whatever it is, he's gotta get rid of it.
It's killing him. I know JJ's gonna bring it up with him.

I believe I remember someone telling me at SBE that during a hill-hill rack,
someone missed and left chip a bank, and he walked up and 1-stroked it in.
I guess he thinks that's his 'style' or something.

• I remember Darren said (or people said ABOUT darren) that he doesn't like
long marathon sets. So I thought "well he's at a disadvantage then.
This could go on for weeks." I guess Darren decided to just wrap it up early.
I love that once he was on the hill, he didn't dog it and let the opportunity slip away.

Great recap. Poignant and right on, thanks.

I have watched Chip in action many, many times and bear witness that there have been occasions when he is making shots as good as any living human. Anywhere. :thumbup:

For Darren to hit his gear and do the final run demonstration that he did means he was shooting some mighty fine pool. Superb. :thumbup:

Two great players, and a great match.

Hats off to both! :thumbup:

Will Prout
 
Cool hearing your views on the match. Thanks


Fight Night 6 just ended, and Darren activated his top
one pocket gear to go from even, to winning the 7 ahead set. Ouch.

To be fair Chip's wheels also fell off a bit, but I never saw him go into give-up mode.
Darren just turned little half-mistakes into multi-ball runs.

Some random thoughts...

• Was positive Darren would win before the match, especially after the first rack.
Then he spent the rest of the night stuck 2-3 games behind chip haha.
So then I'm thinking "good thing I don't bet".

They got back to even near the end of the night, and decide to do one more rack.
Darren takes it, so he was up for exactly 2 racks yesterday... the first and the last.

• Tonight I missed most of the beginning but Chip erased that lead at some point.
I heard the first game took like an hour.
I may be wrong but I think Darren's streak started here? On the 2nd rack?

Do you think only one hour into Day 2, Chip suspected in any way that
it was the beginning of the end and he'd never win another rack?

• Chip probably has more 1p knowledge, but Darren's no dummy.
JJ liked almost everything he shot, and I think JJ disagreed
with more of Chip's shots than Darren's.

Darren's execution and cue ball are amazing.
But Chip is no slouch either, especially his shotmaking.
Seemed to drill every long tough cut when he needed to.

But... I know a guy who does violent JB-style steering
after some shots will never out-execute Darren.

• I can't get over how perfectly Darren hits those lag-speed long banks
off the head rail. I never saw someone hit them over and over like that.
I wonder if he has any secret besides a super straight stroke?
So many balls gennnntly crept into the pocket.

A lot of players try these, the object ball rebounds
a foot or so, and they sell out a cross-corner. Don't think Darren ever did this.

• One pocket has to be the worst game for little-known house rules.
Some shit about a stalemate with two frozen balls at the head rail = you spot one,
and it's either the highest numbered ball or player's choice? lol.
Ball gets made on the break. Spot it? Place it hanging in their hole? wtf...
did they discuss that?

• When guys are playing for $10,000... there definitely aren't any sleepers
that fail to get spotted.

• Decent stream quality, wish it could be a little more HD. And they spaced out
and would periodically remove the scoreboard so we could see the players better...
then forget to put it back up. I spent most of the final rack not knowing the ball
count until someone said Darren needs 2 balls.
But I do appreciate the stream and the commentary was great.

• Except for the part where they hated on everything I love in pool.
JJ and Scott both want to go back to old-school rules, behind the line,
don't call shots, no magic rack, no jump cues, and no handicaps.
Everyone should be proficient at spot shots. I'm sure they want slower cloth too.
Scott would like more dead money entering tournaments they can't win.

• I never saw a pool hall, until now, where literally 100% of the time, for hours,
from open to close, it's straight rap. Not even good fresh rap. Or oldschool 80's stuff.
Just shit that was played out two years ago. Straight Jay-Z, Kanye, 50 Cent, Eminem allll night.

They said Chip's cornerman was helping him by making sure
the jukebox was loaded with tunes he liked. :/

• They were so careful on the final rack that 14 balls ended up behind the head string.
Bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt.
But Darren did one of his trademark slow-roll full table banks,
converted some marginal cross corners, and just played it smart.
Did I mention he kicks as well as he banks?

One thing Chip does very well is take out hangers in the other guy's hole.

• Chip needs to get rid of that goofy "I'll occasionally get down and 1-stroke this,
just to be cool" habit he has. Or maybe he thinks it helps him pocket tough shots
if he doesn't overthink them. But whatever it is, he's gotta get rid of it.
It's killing him. I know JJ's gonna bring it up with him.

I believe I remember someone telling me at SBE that during a hill-hill rack,
someone missed and left chip a bank, and he walked up and 1-stroked it in.
I guess he thinks that's his 'style' or something.

• I remember Darren said (or people said ABOUT darren) that he doesn't like
long marathon sets. So I thought "well he's at a disadvantage then.
This could go on for weeks." I guess Darren decided to just wrap it up early.
I love that once he was on the hill, he didn't dog it and let the opportunity slip away.
 
I've seen chip play 10b on stream a few times. He's a VERY fast shooter. Faster than Jayson Shaw.

So what was the final score?

I wonder if Chip would be willing to rematch playing even.

I would love to see Shane/Dennis/Efren play Dazz 1p for a big amount.
 
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"Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill"

I crashed when DA was 4 ahead. Chip certainly had his opportunities from what I saw. He just fired away and sold out. "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill". Congrats to DA, he shot the lights out.
 
For most of day 1 I really thought Darren was the underdog and I'd totally misclocked Chip.
Which I guess I had.

But I think what makes Darren a champ is, he can stay focused and give every shot
full care and attention, even if it's a simple bunt drawing back a bit to the foot rail.
And he handles pressure well.
Chip has the pool skills but maybe not the focus.

I think Darren's next opponent should be Bergman.
It's a little early to go straight for SVB.
On facebook someone suggested Efren and Cliff Joyner....
I think he said "Efren can stay in Manila but Cliff can get played" haha.
 
Fight Night 6 just ended, and Darren activated his top
one pocket gear to go from even, to winning the 7 ahead set. Ouch.

To be fair Chip's wheels also fell off a bit, but I never saw him go into give-up mode.
Darren just turned little half-mistakes into multi-ball runs.

Some random thoughts...

• Was positive Darren would win before the match, especially after the first rack.
Then he spent the rest of the night stuck 2-3 games behind chip haha.
So then I'm thinking "good thing I don't bet".

They got back to even near the end of the night, and decide to do one more rack.
Darren takes it, so he was up for exactly 2 racks yesterday... the first and the last.

• Tonight I missed most of the beginning but Chip erased that lead at some point.
I heard the first game took like an hour.
I may be wrong but I think Darren's streak started here? On the 2nd rack?

Do you think only one hour into Day 2, Chip suspected in any way that
it was the beginning of the end and he'd never win another rack?

• Chip probably has more 1p knowledge, but Darren's no dummy.
JJ liked almost everything he shot, and I think JJ disagreed
with more of Chip's shots than Darren's.

Darren's execution and cue ball are amazing.
But Chip is no slouch either, especially his shotmaking.
Seemed to drill every long tough cut when he needed to.

But... I know a guy who does violent JB-style steering
after some shots will never out-execute Darren.

• I can't get over how perfectly Darren hits those lag-speed long banks
off the head rail. I never saw someone hit them over and over like that.
I wonder if he has any secret besides a super straight stroke?
So many balls gennnntly crept into the pocket.

A lot of players try these, the object ball rebounds
a foot or so, and they sell out a cross-corner. Don't think Darren ever did this.

• One pocket has to be the worst game for little-known house rules.
Some shit about a stalemate with two frozen balls at the head rail = you spot one,
and it's either the highest numbered ball or player's choice? lol.
Ball gets made on the break. Spot it? Place it hanging in their hole? wtf...
did they discuss that?

• When guys are playing for $10,000... there definitely aren't any sleepers
that fail to get spotted.

• Decent stream quality, wish it could be a little more HD. And they spaced out
and would periodically remove the scoreboard so we could see the players better...
then forget to put it back up. I spent most of the final rack not knowing the ball
count until someone said Darren needs 2 balls.
But I do appreciate the stream and the commentary was great.

• Except for the part where they hated on everything I love in pool.
JJ and Scott both want to go back to old-school rules, behind the line,
don't call shots, no magic rack, no jump cues, and no handicaps.
Everyone should be proficient at spot shots. I'm sure they want slower cloth too.
Scott would like more dead money entering tournaments they can't win.

• I never saw a pool hall, until now, where literally 100% of the time, for hours,
from open to close, it's straight rap. Not even good fresh rap. Or oldschool 80's stuff.
Just shit that was played out two years ago. Straight Jay-Z, Kanye, 50 Cent, Eminem allll night.

They said Chip's cornerman was helping him by making sure
the jukebox was loaded with tunes he liked. :/

• They were so careful on the final rack that 14 balls ended up behind the head string.
Bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt-bunt.
But Darren did one of his trademark slow-roll full table banks,
converted some marginal cross corners, and just played it smart.
Did I mention he kicks as well as he banks?

One thing Chip does very well is take out hangers in the other guy's hole.

• Chip needs to get rid of that goofy "I'll occasionally get down and 1-stroke this,
just to be cool" habit he has. Or maybe he thinks it helps him pocket tough shots
if he doesn't overthink them. But whatever it is, he's gotta get rid of it.
It's killing him. I know JJ's gonna bring it up with him.

I believe I remember someone telling me at SBE that during a hill-hill rack,
someone missed and left chip a bank, and he walked up and 1-stroked it in.
I guess he thinks that's his 'style' or something.

• I remember Darren said (or people said ABOUT darren) that he doesn't like
long marathon sets. So I thought "well he's at a disadvantage then.
This could go on for weeks." I guess Darren decided to just wrap it up early.
I love that once he was on the hill, he didn't dog it and let the opportunity slip away.


Your recap/reviews are always on point man. I enjoyed this read as much as your Super Billiards Expo trip report.
 
Your recap/reviews are always on point man. I enjoyed this read as much as your Super Billiards Expo trip report.

pretty good write up.

as for the juke box.....that thing aint never played so its understandable if the music selection is not updated to some one 's liking. apparently chip liked the selection.:D
 
Thanks y'all! Lorider, is that your local pool room? Were you able to watch live?
 
Thanks y'all! Lorider, is that your local pool room? Were you able to watch live?

yea its my local room...only 10 minutes from the house.:thumbup:

sadly i was not able to go there either night. i had napa league at another place wed night and last night my significant other had plans for me.:(

i usually play there 3-4 nights a week though.
 
NICE write up!

I have a question.....in long sets like this when there is a turn around....I always try to figure out if the "better" player "woke up", or learned something? or did the other guy tire out and fade?.....what happened here?


thanks,

G.
 
This is the guy that's won back-to-back US Open 9b titles that we're talking about here.

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothing comes out when they move their lips
Just a bunch of gibberish
And ************* act like they forgot about Daz


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yea its my local room...only 10 minutes from the house.:thumbup:

sadly i was not able to go there either night. i had napa league at another place wed night and last night my significant other had plans for me.:(
.

Haha, I'd be all "you know those plans you had for me? They're on hold.
See you in 8 hours! Love you! Bye!"


NICE write up!

I have a question.....in long sets like this when there is a turn around....I always try to figure out if the "better" player "woke up", or learned something? or did the other guy tire out and fade?.....what happened here?

G.

Thanks!
In this one, it seemed like Daz took control. He got the speed of the table down
and really got a handle on his cue ball. He stopped missing.
In the first day I saw him butcher a spot shot and blow an 8'n'out opportunity
on like the 2nd ball by hooking himself behind the stack on his next shot.

But the next day, he kept sinking full table banks, leaving every cue ball married
to a rail, and kicking accurately to leave chip nothing.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely had something to do with Chip too.
It's not like he never got to shoot.
Maybe he's a front runner... with a 2-3 game lead he plays awesome.
When the other guy puts heat on him, gets ahead, wins 2 or 3 in a row,
he gets in his own head and his game suffers.
 
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