Danny Harriman Controversy

I do believe that at the player's meeting Kevin announced to the players:
"Don't be stupid. Know the rules."

I can't blame Danny at all. He just knows the rules.

As far as the dress code violation, if it is one, then fine Danny like they did Earl. But if they didn't do it at the time then I believe it is too late to do it now.

Rules is rules. You play be the rules dictated by the tour. I am sure everyone knows that. You don't like the rules - tough. But they are what they are.

Jake
 
GADawg said:
I don't think so. If he asked the referee and was told it was OK, how can it later be judged unsportsmanlike conduct?
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U seem to be a RATIONAL and FAIR minded individual.Those two qualities do not have a place in the modern world anymore.:cool:
 
Go DANNY! Since the IPT is SO STRICT about enforcing the "REAL RULES" then anything not expressly banned is allowed. If Danny didn't violate any other rule in the process then there is no issue.

Since a dress code violation does not affect play then I suppose Danny shoud be fined for that but not for climbing on the table.

If the IPT is going to disqualify people for phenolic tips and being late to matchs then it ought to applaud people who take the time to read and understand the RULES enough to use them correctly.

John
 
If he asked the ref and was told it was okay, then I can't blame him at all. But if he read the rules, found an oversight, and exploited it despite knowing full well that it's a standard and universal rule of pocket billiards, I think it was disrespectful to the game, and thus unsportsmanlike.

Regardless, I'm sure Danny didn't mean to disrespect the game or Johnny. From everything I've ever heard about him, he has utmost respect for the game, and I'm sure his thoughts were not focused on how others might perceive his actions, but rather on winning the game, which he's been doing a very good job of.

-Andrew
 
This is purely a guess, a possibility to think about and consider.

Sounds like a page out of the WWW and the PT Barnum playbook, to create rivalries and controversies among players. Good guys vs bad guys. Men vs women. Trying to create heros and villians, all prearranged to develop spectator and media interest. A little circus sideshow effect maybe. Not impossible.

Would this be a good and the right direction for a serious sport to go?
 
Andrew Manning said:
despite knowing full well that it's a standard and universal rule of pocket billiards

-Andrew
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Not in southern louisiana and Mississippi.One foot on the ground -rule DOES NOT apply in that part of the country.
 
I think it's hilarious and classic. Pool is just a game and these guys are getting paid to entertain. Crawling up on the table in a big match like that is certainly entertainment. If he didn't break a rule, I don't see why people are getting upset about it.
 
More power to Mr. Harriman

metal5d said:
I think it's hilarious and classic. Pool is just a game and these guys are getting paid to entertain. Crawling up on the table in a big match like that is certainly entertainment. If he didn't break a rule, I don't see why people are getting upset about it.
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I agree.....Here is a guy who has worked his tail off to qualify and he is succeeding in winning matches....So on the hill, he does something unusual that the loser and other people don't agree with, so all this bashing and "controversy" is supposed to show how unworthy he is? B.S! I say sour grapes by Archer for losing and not showing sportsmanlike conduct by shaking hands .... GO, DANNY, GO........................more power to you!
 
metal5d said:
If he didn't break a rule, I don't see why people are getting upset about it.
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Why do u think we have wars between the countries? It is because Illogical,irrational,unfair people do not agree with the fair and rational people.
Irrationality is pervasive in our society and it rules.:cool:
 
can this be likened to efren's palm push shot? there's no rule that states that you can't let go of the butt of the cue so he pulled it off and nobody thought much of it except that it was another "magical" shot
 
vagabond said:
U seem to be a RATIONAL and FAIR minded individual.Those two qualities do not have a place in the modern world anymore.:cool:
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Yeah, you are right. I guess I inadvertently let my brain get ahead of my emotions. Sorry. I will try not to let it happen again.

Go read the BCA and the APA rules. They have a separate paragraph stating that you must have one foot on the floor when you strike the cue ball, so no confusion. Why would they specifically state that condition if they think "everybody knows that?"

The problem here lies in the p*ss poor job the IPT did in writing the rules. This situation is not covered in the IPT rules for one of two reasons. Either they just foolishly overlooked it, or, they think it's OK.

I suspect they will probably fix this rule but overlook a lot of other omissions and have the same sort of problem again in the future.

Reminds me of some of the discussions I have had when I called a safety and made one of my own balls in 8 ball, giving up my inning at the table.
 
the rule states that you cannot leave your cue on the table, he was clearly holdng the cue while he was shooting.
Renegade said:
can this be likened to efren's palm push shot? there's no rule that states that you can't let go of the butt of the cue so he pulled it off and nobody thought much of it except that it was another "magical" shot
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Johnny over reacted!!!!!!!

All I have to say about this subject is if you don't think there are a lot of others out there who for a shot at this kind of cash wouldn't do what ever it takes to win you are wrong!! At least Danny didn't violate any rules and get himself disqualified!! I also think that if Johnny and Gabe had a problem with it they should have taken it to the tournament director. Johnny not shaking his hand at the end of the match was the bigger disrespect as far as I am concerned!! By the way apparently at least two well known players did it before Danny. Namely Nick Varner and Jose Parica!! Anyway, Go Danny we are all behind you!!!!
 
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Another "monkey" was Nick Varner. Why isn't he taking any heat? Probably because he was not defeating Archer at the time.

Scottster's mom
 
A loop hole wold be exploiting an existing rule based on how it was written. IMO


Looks like he is playing by the rules. Whats wrong with that? Looks like JA could hop up on the table if he wants to... If everybody can do it, it is fair.


How can you blame a bloke for playing by the rules? he did not write them... If you Forum junkies need some controversy, blame the IPT, they wrote the rules.


If I spent as much time practicing my game as some of you spend finding things to get irritated with, I'd be on the IPT :)


I hope there is a pic of it. I can't wait to see it lol
 
Scottster said:
Another "monkey" was Nick Varner. Why isn't he taking any heat? Probably because he was not defeating Archer at the time.

Scottster's mom
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I heard that Jose Parica was a monkey too - and that he and Nick Varner were monkeys BEFORE Danny was a monkey. Danny won and he won fair and that's all that matters.
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Deno Andrews summed it up when he wrote along the lines of, it isn't a a rule, so i'm not going to do anything about it. Harriman is blameless here, he's only using the rule, or lack thereof, to his advantage, which obviously there is nothing wrong with.

BUT the one rule change i think is the one to sort the problem of moving balls not during a players' turn, like Quinten Hann did against Darren Appleton, where he alledgedly threw his cue on the table and moved balls, Appleton still had to run it out, which is very flawed as what stopped Hann from moving balls into safe positions?
 
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