Danny Harriman Controversy

[ Archer was disgusted with Danny doing that, and wouldn't shake his hand. Danny told Johnny "You're disrespecting me" when Archer refused to shake. Archer said "No you're disrespecting ME by climbing on the table like a monkey".

i used to watch johnny gamble at GENES POOL ROOM in myrtle beach when he was 16 yrs old,everybody including the late wennie bennie used to climb on the tables to shoot a hard shot,he should be used to that.
 
Koop said:
I'll jst ask a question with no intentions or arguing.

Didn't Danny play by the rules? I wasn't there and actually never heard of a rule where you didn't have to leave one foot on the floor but, if the rules say it's ok and there is that much money on the line, I say more power to him.
IMO, Archer is the one a thread should be started about, not Danny. He was the one IMO who broke the code of conduct in not shaking Danny's hand.

Just some observations from someone on the outside looking in.

Thanks,
Koop
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(Rules) Appears so, Archer was definitely upset he got beat and I'm sure in the heat of the moment he let it get "to" him, but I still feel when the first situation came about it should of been handled at that time instead of (it seems) it happening two times before Danny did it, but if I see others on the table I too will get on up since each game is extremely important.
 
Island Drive said:
(Rules) Appears so, Archer was definitely upset he got beat and I'm sure in the heat of the moment he let it get "to" him, but I still feel when the first situation came about it should of been handled at that time instead of (it seems) it happening two times before Danny did it, but if I see others on the table I too will get on up since each game is extremely important.
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We are in, what appears to be, total agreement.

Danny ain't no dummy and he would not risk a loss over something like this unless he knew for sure it was within the rules.
I still say Archer is the one who is completely in the wrong here. He will always be the guy, in my book, who turned his back on someone who was trying to shake his hand. At least that is what I am getting out of this.

Koop
 
Since everybody keeps dumping on Johnny Archer, let me be the one to remind everyone that he is and has always been known as a sportsman of very high honor. Im sure he is a bit sick to his stomach about the whole thing. In the heat of battle emotions got the best of him, doesnt make him a bad guy.
Nick B said
Shame on the "Rulers" for not putting a stop to whoever did it first. That's the real problem.
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This is exactly it. Whether it is in their written rules or not, this has pretty much always been proper etiquette. Not for the rules or sport side of it, its respect for the equipment and not wanting to cause damage to it. How would you feel about someone getting mad and picking up the cueball and throwing it down on the slate? Same thing, its disrespectful. The IPT is bastardizing the game. Allowing players to go climbing up on the table, with shoes on or off is a friggin disgrace to the sport.
Sorry, but if the finger is to be pointed, it should be pointed in the right direction.
Chuck
 
Scottster said:
Earlier in the day, Danny noticed 2 World Champions, One of them a "Hall of Famer", and both of them with their IPT Tour Cards (named earlier in this topic), get up on the table, with no shoes on and no foot touching the floor to execute a shot. Danny did not find a loop-hole, he made an observation.

For some reason there was no fuss made about these 2 circumstances.

All of a sudden, when Danny, has the same scenario occur, even after verifying with the ref if he was allowed to "giddy-up", the ref said yes but take off your shoes. Danny does execute the shot, which BTW he would make 90/100 with a bridge, gets up and makes the shot in a fashion he would make it 100/100, and all of a sudden APA SL 4's are calling him a cheat!!??

Somehow, somewhere in this minute (pronounced "my noot" for the illiterate) giddy-up shot, the fact that Danny Broke and ran 7 racks in one set, ran 5 in one and 4 in another, Oh yeah a 2-pack in another, which
SL 4's would think they could actually play if they ever put up a 2 pack, and played extremely well, has been tarnished.
Tuesday's story should have been about his stellar play against 5 IPT card Holders. But instead it is about a shameless attempt to break down Danny's focus. NEWSFLASH!!! Its gonna take more than that to phase him.

Danny goes to shake Johnny's hand and you know the rest from there.
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Well put Scottster, what Danny did was something other players were doing as well, yet he seems to be the only player being judged for it. It's not Danny's fault, or the other player's fault for that matter that the IPT doesn't clearly state that one foot must remain on the ground at all times.

Is it something the IPT needs to address? Yes of course, they need to make the rules crystal clear so that the players must abide by them, but what happened with Dannys was legal and within the "rules"

As for the way Johnny reacted, well that is obviously Johnny simply over reacting seeing how Danny would have made the shot reguardless of whether he used the bridge or not. Perhaps a case of sour grapes.
 
Linda has a point...

This is pool at its best and for big cash. I know danny did not intend to disrespect Johnny, and I would not be surprised if they both one day laugh about it. It may be awhile but...

With the way Danny and many other players (at the top) have been treated in the past, it may have been a little pay-back towards the IPT for not accepting his original resume (just a guess) and his way to make a statement about a flawed tour.

Regardless, he is still in th tournament, going to take down some cash and anything beyond that is up to the IPT.

If they don't change the rule Linda, more power to you. I assure you, you won't be alone climbing on the table to take a shot.
 
Obviously it hasn't bugged Danny too much, as he's advanced once again.
Archer on the other hand is out of the tournament.

Did yesterdays happenings effect todays performances?Most likely not,as these guys are professionals.

Or maybe it did?
RJ
 
> In an Accu-Stats tape,there is a spot where Danny is trying to push out from an awkward spot. He asks the ref if it is permissable to remove his shoe for extra traction,took his slick-soled dress shoe off,used that toe to maintain solid contact on the floor,and pushed out. Smart move,the way he had to lean and stretch to get to the shot,a slick shoe would have slid right up off the floor and caused an inadvertant foul. Smart move I think. I see nothing wrong with using what seems to be a large gap in their rules system to your advantage,Danny should be commended. I'd say the same for Johnny if the roles were reversed. I can't say the way Johnny reacted to this fiasco was the right way,but considering that he just lost,which only a true loser or a dabbler enjoys,and add to that fact that the climbing incident probably left him feeling jobbed,and to me his reaction wasn't that far out of line. I don't agree with it,but I understand how he probably felt,and it could have been MUCH worse. Imagine if someone did this and got away with it playing Earl,a fight would have probably broken out. I think it sucks for everyone involved,during a match is NOT the time to find out that a rule hasn't been clearly enough defined. Tommy D.
 
Pool is evolving into a monkey business. Gabe sitting on the table? Have he ever heard of a gear called Bridge? Anyway there are a lot that are not written in the rule book, do not eat, sit, step, sleep, dance, crawl, swim on the table. Since they are not found in the rule book, then it is legal. Just do it!
 
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You can blame the press release box on the website for not telling me and everyone else that Danny was not the first one to do this. Now that I know that a few other players did this first, it's a totally different story. The press release actually made Danny look bad by not saying that other players were doing it. I'll say right now that I apologize for thinking badly of Danny without knowing the full story. There was no other way for me to know that other players were doing it, except from word of mouth here on this thread. The press release article should be changed and add that players did this before him, otherwise he might lose alot of fans if nobody reads this thread and believes only the press release.
 
MyraCurfs said:
Can you believe this! Linda: you said the oldest rule was to keep one shoe on the ground! Well i know another one: Do NOT sit on the tables!

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It may not be the oldest rule but it's one of the classiest. It's truly a sad day when the wealthiest pool tournament ever played allows for mental giants like Varner and Parica to make airhead plays on the cue ball. The bridge might be a mental crutch but hey, you've gotta play through some injuries, no?

I suppose, that in a way, there something morbidly hilarious about airheads playing on slow cloth in dress clothes. The true irony of that being the slow cloth is there to make the game more difficult, while putting both knees on the table obviously makes the game a little bit easier.

I guess what really is funny though, is the event of if I were ever to make IPT final table while there was no one foot on the floor rule. I believe my exhibition/voyeur streak would definitely take over. I would feel compelled to hump the table at every possible opportunity that I received, damn the way I look for it.

In the end Harriman's not wrong to hump the table when there's no rule against. But surely Johnny isn't wrong to not shake his hand. After all, Harriman probably hadn't washed his hand before proffering it or used protection while humping, in fact he even took off his shoes!
 
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Couple of Points

First off it doesn't matter who got up on the table first....Everyone has had their Mom tell them "Just because Gabe cheated doesn't make it right" Or "If Gabe jumped off a bridge would you do it too?"

The fact that I'm an APA SL4 has no bearing on my ability to form an opinion about right or wrong. While I have only been playing seriously for about a year, I have played off and on most of my 42 yrs. Everywhere I've ever been to play or watch, the one foot rule was always in effect.

The amount of money involved doesn't matter. It's about ethics morals and values.....If it was all about the money then where do you draw the line? what else are you willing to do for $200k? Have gay sex? Kill someone? How about just going into a store and shoplifting an 85 cent candy bar? Would you steal a candy bar for $100.00? I wouldn't.

As an SL4 I am the target audience for this whole tour. It's my money to sponsors that will keep KOH on the air. This isn't the way to win fans by not enforcing one of the best known rules in pool. After all if I know it (a lowly sl4) then the general pool watching public knows it too.

McCue Banger McCue
 
DelaWho??? said:
How about just going into a store and shoplifting an 85 cent candy bar? Would you steal a candy bar for $100.00? I wouldn't.
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You mean if someone offered you $100 to steal a candybar? Why not? to make up for it, after you steal a candybar, go back to the store later and purchase a candybar. After you pay for it, put the candybar back on the rack, and you are squared away.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
You can blame the press release box on the website for not telling me and everyone else that Danny was not the first one to do this. Now that I know that a few other players did this first, it's a totally different story. The press release actually made Danny look bad by not saying that other players were doing it. I'll say right now that I apologize for thinking badly of Danny without knowing the full story. There was no other way for me to know that other players were doing it, except from word of mouth here on this thread. The press release article should be changed and add that players did this before him, otherwise he might lose alot of fans if nobody reads this thread and believes only the press release.
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Kinda reminds me of the Ramsey case, they hung the guy before he was even in the states, in the news it seems more important to be "first" than the one with the correct information.
 
Checkers said:
It may not be the oldest rule but it's one of the classiest. It's truly a sad day when the wealthiest pool tournament ever played allows for mental giants like Varner and Parica to make airhead plays on the cue ball. The bridge might be a mental crutch but hey, you've gotta play through some injuries, no?

I suppose, that in a way, there something morbidly hilarious about airheads playing on slow cloth in dress clothes. The true irony of that being the slow cloth is there to make the game more difficult, while putting both knees on the table obviously makes the game a little bit easier.

I guess what really is funny though, is the event of if I were ever to make IPT final table while there was no one foot on the floor rule. I believe my exhibition/voyeur streak would definitely take over. I would feel compelled to hump the table at every possible opportunity that I received, damn the way I look for it.

In the end Harriman's not wrong to hump the table when there's no rule against. But surely Johnny isn't wrong to not shake his hand. After all, Harriman probably hadn't washed his hand before proffering it or used protection while humping, in fact he even took off his shoes!
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Imagine if it was a woman in a dress getting on top of the play surface.
 
Well ...

jjinfla said:
A short dress!

I can only hope.

Jake
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in that case, it would be referred to as 'establishing a fan base'..... ROFL
(now, put those panties back on, they are in the dress code ... lol)
 
cuetechasaurus said:
You mean if someone offered you $100 to steal a candybar? Why not? to make up for it, after you steal a candybar, go back to the store later and purchase a candybar. After you pay for it, put the candybar back on the rack, and you are squared away.
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LMAO for some reason that made my day.




I guesse there would be a point for the bride no more then if everyones allowed to go on top of the table.......
 
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