David Matlock in the IPT??
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When I started playing pool.
I moved to Springfiled, Missouri years ago to work for General Electric years ago.
The city had many many good players and some great ones too. I watched "Little Danny" Harriman and Darrin Everett play often. I credit these two players as inspiration for me to play. They were awesome players. (Snooker John, Andy Gilbert, Jamie something,)
But when David Matlock came to town to play on barboxes, it wasnt even close. The entire city was in awe, including me. The most amazing barbox player I have EVER seen. Am I a groupie? Maybe.
JAM - Take no offense. Best pool player I have ever seen, Efren, without a doubt. Best barbox player I have seen, Matlock (I have never seen Keith play on a barbox). My favorite player to watch, Keith, without out a doubt the most heart and aggressive shooter ever.
Imagine if you will Danny Harriman playing in a small tourneyment and he is automatically playing for 2nd or 3rd. How strong is that?
Yes it was years ago, maybe 15 years or so, but it was glorious pool.
I really miss it.
Ken
I moved to Springfiled, Missouri years ago to work for General Electric years ago.
The city had many many good players and some great ones too. I watched "Little Danny" Harriman and Darrin Everett play often. I credit these two players as inspiration for me to play. They were awesome players. (Snooker John, Andy Gilbert, Jamie something,)
But when David Matlock came to town to play on barboxes, it wasnt even close. The entire city was in awe, including me. The most amazing barbox player I have EVER seen. Am I a groupie? Maybe.
JAM - Take no offense. Best pool player I have ever seen, Efren, without a doubt. Best barbox player I have seen, Matlock (I have never seen Keith play on a barbox). My favorite player to watch, Keith, without out a doubt the most heart and aggressive shooter ever.
Imagine if you will Danny Harriman playing in a small tourneyment and he is automatically playing for 2nd or 3rd. How strong is that?
Yes it was years ago, maybe 15 years or so, but it was glorious pool.
I really miss it.
Ken
Ken_4fun said:
Of course, no offense taken!
I have found that people will always think those who they have seen in person, many times who are living in the same region of the country, will think the local champions are the best on the face of the earth.
If you were to go to California and ask those who were living in California when Keith was playing on the bar box, they would tell you that Keith was the better player, over Matlock.
Personally, I hate these "who's the best" threads because I believe it is not possible to compare players from different eras. The rules, games, and equipment differ. Of course, this has been bantered back and forth on this forum ever since I joined, and I am sure it will continue.
Who's the best? I think it depends on how old you are, where you live, and how many champions you have seen up front and close.
Often, those who are from a specific region of the country will claim their regional player is the best. As one example, if you have seen David Matlock play 100 times and witnessed Keith McCready play once or twice, therein likes the rub.
They are both great champions.
JAM
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What A "Go Off" Artist I Was (am)
Is/was Jr. Brown also named Cliff Brown and spent some time in New Orleans ?
I played/gambled with Cliff Brown a number of times.
Doug
( I never got the cheese, no matter what spot he gave me. dammit ! grrrrrr )
Snapshot9 said:
Is/was Jr. Brown also named Cliff Brown and spent some time in New Orleans ?
I played/gambled with Cliff Brown a number of times.
Doug
( I never got the cheese, no matter what spot he gave me. dammit ! grrrrrr )
This 95-year-old lady took her husband to the doctor, and she said, "He just won't do anything anymore, Doc. He's in pretty bad shape. He's slowing up an awful lot."
The doctor says, "Well, we'll have to get a urine sample and a bowel sample and a semen sample." Her husband, an old man who was a little hard of hearing, said to his wife, "What did he say?"
So his wife told him, "He needs a pair of your shorts."
Just changing the climate of the thread!
JAM
The doctor says, "Well, we'll have to get a urine sample and a bowel sample and a semen sample." Her husband, an old man who was a little hard of hearing, said to his wife, "What did he say?"
So his wife told him, "He needs a pair of your shorts."
Just changing the climate of the thread!
JAM
JAM said:This 95-year-old lady took her husband to the doctor, and she said, "He just won't do anything anymore, Doc. He's in pretty bad shape. He's slowing up an awful lot."
The doctor says, "Well, we'll have to get a urine sample and a bowel sample and a semen sample." Her husband, an old man who was a little hard of hearing, said to his wife, "What did he say?"
So his wife told him, "He needs a pair of your shorts."
Just changing the climate of the thread!
JAM
Yeah, but did you have to change it while I was eating a big bowel of New England Clam Chowder ?
Doug
( what typo )
Edited: to change chowders.
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Remove from the pedestal??? Again, were talking about a short race in a tournament format. yes, efren is the favorite when playing 1 hole. However, again, how many people went to play david and came out winner? How many can you name? Who's ya'll's best player there? Frankie Hernandez? Mike Zuglan? Ginky? I would put matlock in the box with any of those guys.. How about a two set session bar table & big track, with any of those gentleman mentioned. If you want to throw in the Parks fellow, he can get played on the bar table no questions asked. Just bet it up.StevenPWaldon said:
Jam, i heard from a good good source and david and keith played only one time back in 79 and David beat keith 3 sets & 8 ahead for about 10,000. Never played again. Just what i heard. I'm not counting any tournament style format.JAM said:Of course, no offense taken!
I have found that people will always think those who they have seen in person, many times who are living in the same region of the country, will think the local champions are the best on the face of the earth.
If you were to go to California and ask those who were living in California when Keith was playing on the bar box, they would tell you that Keith was the better player, over Matlock.
Personally, I hate these "who's the best" threads because I believe it is not possible to compare players from different eras. The rules, games, and equipment differ. Of course, this has been bantered back and forth on this forum ever since I joined, and I am sure it will continue.
Who's the best? I think it depends on how old you are, where you live, and how many champions you have seen up front and close.
Often, those who are from a specific region of the country will claim their regional player is the best. As one example, if you have seen David Matlock play 100 times and witnessed Keith McCready play once or twice, therein likes the rub.
They are both great champions.
JAM
clint3612 said:
Clint, I have it on good authority that Keith has beat Dave more times than Dave has beat Keith. Just what I heard.
How many times have you spoken to Keith McCready about Matlock and him matching up? Have you ever spoken to Matlock himself personally about it?
You must live in the Matlock Country. If you ever lived in California in the late '70s and early '80s and saw Keith McCready play -- a time when Matlock's game was not fully formed yet -- you may come away with a different opinon.
I have spoken to many people who have seen both of them play, to include McCready himself, and he tells me that he has defeated Matlock more times than Matlock has defeated him. AGAIN, I will repeat it once more. It just depends on where you live and who you have seen that will form your opinion, but if you have never seen Keith McCready in his prime, then you really have no clue. In fact, it would be impossible to make the comparison, IMHO.
JAM
P.S. Keith beat Matlock for 20 large one time. Tit for tat, and away we go.
JAM said:
You sound like Jackie Gleason when you say that.
Doug
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Jam, yes i have talked to david before. I have taken lessons from him and seen him a few times play. Someone's memory is foggy. David said that he only played keith once. It seems that keith says he played david multiple times. Who knows? Who can tell what happened some years ago. I agree they both play great. I used to watch keith play at the cue-topia back in 93 or 94. he could drink beer all day and still run out. I have to admit that keith knocked me out of some action one time in Las Vegas, i never forgave him. lolJAM said:
clint3612 said:
I appreciate your kind response.
Keith is sitting right here next to me. I did ask him if he has played Dave Matlock more than once, and he said that he, in fact, has played Dave Matlock more than once.
I have known Keith for a long time, and he doesn't make up stuff. He would have no reason to lie. If he had only played Matlock once, he would have no problem saying he only played Matlock once. I tend to believe Keith right now, more so than you.
Matlock did beat Keith in Dallas at "Sonny's home" on a "trick box" for 25,000, not 10,000. Keith then respectfully requested to play Matlock again, off the "trick box," in another location. Then he beat Dave Matlock in Oklahoma City at a "neutral pool room." Keith did not like the "trick box" location at "Sonny's home." True Loves, Keith thinks the name of it was. Weldon Rogers and Will Willingham were staking Keith against Matlock, when Keith beat Matlock at True Loves.
Keith stated he also beat Matlock at the Maverick Club in Richmond, Kentucky, with "Dean" staking Keith, 10 dimes a set. Keith won two sets in about 2 hours.
I happen to like Dave very much. As you can see, your information is wrong. They have played more than once, non-tournament play.
Hope this helps clarify things for you.
JAM
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I don't want to sound like a butt. However, why don't we try to get keith and david to play on the TAR or something. Both players could use some exposure right now. Put a time table together and let them prepare for this the right way and let them battle it out. There wouldn't be any losers in the end. Both players need some limelight right now. The younger generation needs to see these guys before it's too late. I think it could get alot of buys on the internet and i'm sure there would be alot of dvd's purchased.JAM said:
clint3612 said:
This does sound like a great idea down the road. We were thinking the same thing with Keith and Scotty Townsend as well because they are two colorful old-school players, real road warriors.
Actually a round robin format on the bar box with Scotty Townsend, Keith McCready, and Dave Matlock would be a hell of a show, a genuine classic!
JAM
Where do I sign up?
I would pay, (and not a little) to watch that.
I would also pay to see Keith and Matlock to play.
Wow those would be some awesome matches.
Even better I would pay for the DVD.
Ken
JAM said:I have suggested to the IPT that Matlock and Walden would be EXCELLENT choices for an upcoming match-up.
JAM
I would pay, (and not a little) to watch that.
I would also pay to see Keith and Matlock to play.
Wow those would be some awesome matches.
Even better I would pay for the DVD.
Ken
And if not the IPT how about TAR trying to put something together like this?! I'd gladly pay double what they've been charging to sweat this!JAM said:This does sound like a great idea down the road. We were thinking the same thing with Keith and Scotty Townsend as well because they are two colorful old-school players, real road warriors.
Actually a round robin format on the bar box with Scotty Townsend, Keith McCready, and Dave Matlock would be a hell of a show, a genuine classic!
JAM
yeah, i think we need to get some of the "older" champions in some action these days. Matlock, keith, scotty, maybe even walden would be great additions to the TAR or IPT formats. I'm telling you if the money is right, and there is proper prep time and no nitting; you could see some great great play from David.