DCC - AZB room - ??Next Year?? - ??Special Event??

I'm in!....First I need to appologize for screwing up this year....My plans changed and I missed it all. At least I donated my 1 pocket entry to Efren:)

My wife and I will be there next year, and we will pony up $100 towards the room. Getting it rolling early is a great idea, and will help reduce the last minute stress. Let us know when and where...

Gerry
 
Williebetmore said:
I also would like to inform people that I am forming a committee to help with the room this next year. I do NOT want to be in the position of dictator/moderator/controlfreakdude. I think myself, Steve Lomako, and Timberly (if she'll do it....and I mean participate in the committe - get your mind out of the gutter) would be a great combination.
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I know it would be better to do the whole nominate and vote thing, but those three work for me.

Also I like the idea of paying early, I think it will give the committee a little better way of reserving things and setting things up ahead of time.

Also we might think about getting an AZB/1Porg group rate at one of the hotels set up to save some money. Just a suggestion.

I liked the 2 tables idea and we really need to see if we can make a deal "pay off" to the hotel to have soda and snacks for the week for the pros in our room. Another suggestion.

I'm sure if we were willing to put up some banners with limited sizes from some of the vendors in our room, they might chip in a little dough. Fund raising idea. Maybe they can even give a little bit more and come in and show one of their products with a short demo. We could set up a short block of time each day for this. There is no reason we can't be sponsored.

OK, sorry I got carried away. The committee will be great.
 
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Donovan said:
Also we might think about getting an AZB/1Porg group rate at one of the hotels set up to save some money. Just a suggestion.

OK, sorry I got carried away. The committee will be great.
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No need to apologize. Ideas are good...this is what's needed...ideas from everyone.

I do believe that the discounted room will not work simply because the rooms are already discounted for the tournament. I believe Ratchet said he had asked for a discount (disabled vet or something like that) and he was told that he could not get the discount because the room was already discounted.
 
Donovan said:
I'm sure if we were willing to put up some banners with limited sizes from some of the vendors in our room, they might chip in a little dough. Fund raising idea. Maybe they can even give a little bit more and come in and show one of their products with a short demo. We could set up a short block of time each day for this. There is no reason we can't be sponsored.

OK, sorry I got carried away. The committee will be great.
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The vendor idea is great. They are always looking for a chance to try thier products in public, and nothing packs a pool table more than someone saying, hey check this out and letting everyone give it a go. Also, nothing gets the word out like a cool T-shirt, look at the camera time Freddies shirts got.

Gerry
 
Donovan said:
I'm sure if we were willing to put up some banners with limited sizes from some of the vendors in our room, they might chip in a little dough. Fund raising idea. Maybe they can even give a little bit more and come in and show one of their products with a short demo. We could set up a short block of time each day for this. There is no reason we can't be sponsored.
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Donovan,
You must have missed the discussion last year - we were PROHIBITED from having any vendor sponsorship (several offered to do just as you describe). Greg S. did not want us to be seen as a money making proposition (so no raffles with profit in mind) - and did not want us to offend the vendors (who pay for their booths) in any way by offering a competitive advantage to their competitors.

This year may be a little different, now that they have seen what the room adds to the whole DCC experience. I am in the process of finding out from Greg S. the cost of the room; and the parameters within which we must operate.

Remember, as we did last year, we will check ALL of our decisions with Greg S.; to make sure we get invited back. It was a very big step for him to take to allow us the table and room this year - we want to make sure we do not offend.
 
Just curious, how much is the vendor fee? it might come up in the future, and be good info to have,

Gerry
 
What makes John S. think that Alex P.would be too expensive for us. How much of a stake does it take to get John S. off the chair?
Wayne Agnew
 
wagnew said:
What makes John S. think that Alex P.would be too expensive for us. How much of a stake does it take to get John S. off the chair?
Wayne Agnew
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Wagman,
Very nice meeting you at DCC, hope to see you next year.

As I mentioned, JS thought it would take a $3,000 purse to interest Alex P. - he did not say what he would play for. Now remember, John S. doesn't know me from Adam ( and I look kind of suspicious anyway) - it could be that once we have details finalized (a commitment from DCC, Accu-Stats, and BCN; and money in hand) there could be more interest generated.

At this point, since Efren was fairly encouraging, if not downright enthusiastic, I would lean towards trying to promote the rotation match - there's no telling how long he will stay at the peak of his skills (I'm dreadfully afraid some of my total incompetence may have rubbed off on him in the short time we were partnered). And also remember that I watched and scored the Pagulayan-Schmidt epic in 2004 and consider it by far the greatest pool match I've ever seen (so I'm not adverse to seeing a re-match).

In any case, I don't want to hassle anyone; if players are anxious to play for what we have to offer that would be fine. Perhaps if we pull it off with style next year, there will be more interest the following years (or as Jeanette Lee said, "hey, you AZB guys are cool" - in the world of true pool fanatics and students of the game it takes one to know one).
 
wagnew said:
What makes John S. think that Alex P.would be too expensive for us. How much of a stake does it take to get John S. off the chair?
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John had talked to Alex about playing again this yr but it never came to fruition. I didn't ask for the details of why it didn't happen but I do know that John at least made an effort. Maybe Alex wanted to bet more than John and/or his backer wanted to play for or maybe it was the other way around. I really don't know. However, the game is a big money game for their benefit, not ours. The money can get quite high in a game like that with players of that calibur and it's quite possible that we wouldn't be able to afford it. :(
 
Timberly said:
John had talked to Alex about playing again this yr but it never came to fruition. I didn't ask for the details of why it didn't happen but I do know that John at least made an effort. Maybe Alex wanted to bet more than John and/or his backer wanted to play for or maybe it was the other way around. I really don't know. However, the game is a big money game for their benefit, not ours. The money can get quite high in a game like that with players of that calibur and it's quite possible that we wouldn't be able to afford it. :(
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I see the match totally different than I think you do. Its FOR our benefit and for the benefit of pool in general. We are not staking a match but rather staking an exhibition. If Alex or John do not want to play a guaranteed payday match and build fans then we need to move on to
others.
Pool players kill me by not realizing what could happen. If the IPT takes off they have chances at good money and good sponsors. They should be building that now and over the next year or so.
Efren vs Corey would be great in any game. Two of the best players in the world.

One thought is that if it costs too much for one event why not split the money up and have more matchups. Maybe a hair less caliber but still
Pros.
I would love to see Marlon play someone. He is a new face and it would be nice to see his game up close.

I always was thinking that perhaps by next Jan some of the names here might not be interested in playing the DCC. If guys are making good money on the IPT and 07 looks solid then I wonder what it will cost to get a player to play even if they will play.
 
frankncali said:
I see the match totally different than I think you do. Its FOR our benefit and for the benefit of pool in general. We are not staking a match but rather staking an exhibition.
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Yes, we were looking at it two totally different ways. I had not thought of it like you did but I can certainly see your way of thinking. I'm just used to match ups like this being between two players that have hammered out a game. I've never really looked at it like an exhibition. I don't know that I've ever been to an exhibition pool match except for WBM & MT playing against Efren & Jeanette. Thanks for pointing out a different way to view what we're trying to do here. ;)
 
Timberly said:
Yes, we were looking at it two totally different ways. I had not thought of it like you did but I can certainly see your way of thinking. I'm just used to match ups like this being between two players that have hammered out a game. I've never really looked at it like an exhibition. I don't know that I've ever been to an exhibition pool match except for WBM & MT playing against Efren & Jeanette. Thanks for pointing out a different way to view what we're trying to do here. ;)
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Just different ways of viewing something. The common thought is there and that is for us and others to get to watch a good matchup.

I think JS and AP have a little different setup with the history and future of their matchup. They have played and will play again. I dont see very many people challenging Efren to rotation. Heck I have never even seen anyone playing rotation.
It will all work out and be good fun.
Keep the beer cold and the action hot.
 
I feel the same way about these match-up ideas. IF the greatest player in the world and most definitely one of his toughest competitors are willing to play for us for whatever we scrape together, that says a lot about them as people. I'd rather see Efren and Corey play and have some money left over to make our room a real experience for the pros. I think we should pay them, but we don't have to go broke doing it.

When would you get Tiger Woods to say he will come by your practice green and entertain you by having a putting competition with Fred Couples for a few bucks. It is not likely to happen. That is what Efren and Corey are saying. If the price is too high for a second couple of people to play, than let's just enjoy the best.

Plus, I'm a big fan of tipping these camera folks and so forth for their extra time. As far as charging an entrance fee at the exhibition event, I think we should tie that up in to our donation to the room and those who have ID badges from AZB /IPorg, should get in for free. If we are allowing others the come see this, then they can pay and we can charge whatever.
 
Donovan said:
When would you get Tiger Woods to say he will come by your practice green and entertain you by having a putting competition with Fred Couples for a few bucks. It is not likely to happen. That is what Efren and Corey are saying. If the price is too high for a second couple of people to play, than let's just enjoy the best.

Plus, I'm a big fan of tipping these camera folks and so forth for their extra time. As far as charging an entrance fee at the exhibition event, I think we should tie that up in to our donation to the room and those who have ID badges from AZB /IPorg, should get in for free. If we are allowing others the come see this, then they can pay and we can charge whatever.
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D-man,
I think you get the idea. I totally agree that it is a very professional and classy gesture to make time for the fans - I wonder if people really appreciate the time that Efren and Jeanette made for our entertainment. They both had important matches the next morning, but went out of their way to participate for only a very little monetary reward. They did it for the fans enjoyment, NOT for the cash; count me as one who was really impressed by their contribution.

If we end up charging admission to the event, entry would definitely be free for the contributing members. Again, any match-up would have to be approved by Accu-Stats.

Also, this is NOT something we have to do; but rather something to do as a repayment of favors that Greg Sullivan has done for us, and as a contribution to the growth of the spectacle that is the DCC. We definitely want to improve the room for our enjoyment, and would promote this kind of event ONLY with extra funds. If we can have a better room with a similar contribution to last year, and still have such an event we will do it. No one is asking us all to become philanthropists.
 
Williebetmore said:
D-man,
I think you get the idea. I totally agree that it is a very professional and classy gesture to make time for the fans - I wonder if people really appreciate the time that Efren and Jeanette made for our entertainment. They both had important matches the next morning, but went out of their way to participate for only a very little monetary reward. They did it for the fans enjoyment, NOT for the cash; count me as one who was really impressed by their contribution.

If we end up charging admission to the event, entry would definitely be free for the contributing members. Again, any match-up would have to be approved by Accu-Stats.

Also, this is NOT something we have to do; but rather something to do as a repayment of favors that Greg Sullivan has done for us, and as a contribution to the growth of the spectacle that is the DCC. We definitely want to improve the room for our enjoyment, and would promote this kind of event ONLY with extra funds. If we can have a better room with a similar contribution to last year, and still have such an event we will do it. No one is asking us all to become philanthropists.
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I don't mean to make speeches and I wasn't there this year, so take my posts as thinking out loud. I watched everything on billiardclub.net and enojyed it so much, I am making it one of my vacations for next year.

As I have said before, anything I can do, just give me a holla! ;)
 
I cannot speak for Greg Sullivan, but I have certainly spoken with him enough to say with some assurance that a big part of Greg's vision for the DCC is the healthy mixing between pros and the rest of us that takes place, and that is a huge reason why he is so supportive of the AZBilliards/OnePocket.org room. As all of those who attended, and anyone else who read about the room could see, that room was a fantastic success as a mixing ground between pros and fans. If we can continue to build our room along those lines it is good for us, good for the pros, good for the DCC and good for pool in general.

Good questions to ask ourselves for future years: How can we continue to build on that good-natured mixing; how can we reach out to more fans without getting overwhelmed; how can we build on the comraderie without turning into a clique; how can we get the pros involved without burning them out given their own grueling schedule at the DCC?

Events that spill out into the main room (like this year's exhibition match with Efren/Jeanette) are a great way to include more fans without overwhelming the 'private' room.
 
1pocket said:
I cannot speak for Greg Sullivan, but I have certainly spoken with him enough to say with some assurance that a big part of Greg's vision for the DCC is the healthy mixing between pros and the rest of us that takes place, and that is a huge reason why he is so supportive of the AZBilliards/OnePocket.org room. As all of those who attended, and anyone else who read about the room could see, that room was a fantastic success as a mixing ground between pros and fans. If we can continue to build our room along those lines it is good for us, good for the pros, good for the DCC and good for pool in general.

Good questions to ask ourselves for future years: How can we continue to build on that good-natured mixing; how can we reach out to more fans without getting overwhelmed; how can we build on the comraderie without turning into a clique; how can we get the pros involved without burning them out given their own grueling schedule at the DCC?

Events that spill out into the main room (like this year's exhibition match with Efren/Jeanette) are a great way to include more fans without overwhelming the 'private' room.
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SB,
Well stated; you have hit the nail on the head. I will promise that the organizers this next year will be considering exactly the issues you raise.

I'm not sure everyone realizes exactly how much of a grind the week is for both pro's and fans, and how uncertain everyone's schedule is given the everchanging tournament schedule. This makes scheduling ANYTHING in advance a little difficult. I foresee that our activities in the AZB room will continue to be "last minute" in nature - flexibility is a virtue (remember Efren was "dumped" on us as a last minute substitute - adaptability can be a good thing).

There are enough Marines on the forum that we can steal their motto - improvise, adapt, overcome (or something like that, hell I never made it past Army ROTC).
 
Williebetmore said:
I'm not sure everyone realizes exactly how much of a grind the week is for both pro's and fans, and how uncertain everyone's schedule is given the everchanging tournament schedule. This makes scheduling ANYTHING in advance a little difficult.
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I believe the term most suitable here is BRUTAL. As one player put it... you're afraid to go to your room and take a S**t for fear that you'll be called to play and then forfeited. For the players playing in every event....man, it's tough. I saw people givng BCN a hard time on here about not giving times... they were asking "how hard is it to give a time?". If you've never been to DCC then you'll never be able to appreciate exactly how hard it is to give a time. Whatever feature match-up(s) we have will of course be approved by the players before the tourney but the actual time of when it goes down.... that will almost be a last min decision.
 
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