DCC New Event?

Tom In Cincy

Tom In Cincy

AKA SactownTom
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If you could dream up a NEW event at the Derby City Classic, what would it be?

The Pool Playing Fans have an opportunity to provide some imput for a New Event at the Derby City Classic.

I recently talked to Greg Sullivan about this and he is willing to try something totally contrived by the pool playing fans. Greg started the event with the idea of a pool players mecca. A rebirth of the classic Johnson City events of the 60s. The Ring Games (10 ball and Banks) have been recent additions that have generated a lot of interest.

What would you (pool playing fans) like to see next?

Earl Strickland posted earlier, (Thanks Earl for taking the time from your very busy schedule to address this forum) that an 'offensived based' 14.1 tournament might be a new twist on the Pro events.. I would like to see this also.

Format details need to be worked out, but if everyone likes the idea, Greg said he will get 8 or so TOP players to start it off. Rules, game format, race to ? and if this is something the pool players are interested in are all that is needed.

So, if you are a pool playing fan and want to be heard, now is the time....

What do you think? Is there another format or event that you'd like to see in DCC Jan 2006 event?

Either start a separate thread for a new format idea or if you like Earl's 14.1 format, add some details you'd like to see and any rules that would make the game that more interesting.

I would like to start off by recommending 10 different 15th ball postions that the player can choose at each of their innings. Inning starts after the break. Any ball on the break counts, but if nothing falls, you still get a shot and continue until you either foul or miss.

Your inning consists of the break and all balls pocketed. If you miss your inning is over. The only penalty for fouling is loss of inning. Ball count after 10 racks is the final score.

If score is tied, 1st tie breaker is "longest run"
2nd tie breaker, well, here is where I need some help.. any suggestions?
 
Tom In Cincy said:
If you could dream up a NEW event at the Derby City Classic, what would it be?

The Pool Playing Fans have an opportunity to provide some imput for a New Event at the Derby City Classic.

I recently talked to Greg Sullivan about this and he is willing to try something totally contrived by the pool playing fans. Greg started the event with the idea of a pool players mecca. A rebirth of the classic Johnson City events of the 60s. The Ring Games (10 ball and Banks) have been recent additions that have generated a lot of interest.

What would you (pool playing fans) like to see next?

Earl Strickland posted earlier, (Thanks Earl for taking the time from your very busy schedule to address this forum) that an 'offensived based' 14.1 tournament might be a new twist on the Pro events.. I would like to see this also.

Format details need to be worked out, but if everyone likes the idea, Greg said he will get 8 or so TOP players to start it off. Rules, game format, race to ? and if this is something the pool players are interested in are all that is needed.

So, if you are a pool playing fan and want to be heard, now is the time....

What do you think? Is there another format or event that you'd like to see in DCC Jan 2006 event?

Either start a separate thread for a new format idea or if you like Earl's 14.1 format, add some details you'd like to see and any rules that would make the game that more interesting.

I would like to start off by recommending 10 different 15th ball postions that the player can choose at each of their innings. Inning starts after the break. Any ball on the break counts, but if nothing falls, you still get a shot and continue until you either foul or miss.

Your inning consists of the break and all balls pocketed. If you miss your inning is over. The only penalty for fouling is loss of inning. Ball count after 10 racks is the final score.

If score is tied, 1st tie breaker is "longest run"
2nd tie breaker, well, here is where I need some help.. any suggestions?
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Greg

Teams made up of 3 men and 2 women from each state.

willz21
 
willz21 said:
Greg

Teams made up of 3 men and 2 women from each state.

willz21
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Team events are a great suggestion... and is being done all over the country and especially in Reno and Las Vegas, more than just a few times a year.

But, why not in Louisville?

Eight or Nine ball?
 
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I think straight pool would be a phenomenal addition to the DCC, and perhaps 8-ball (BCA rules on the 9-foots) as well in order to round out the complete spectrum of "pool" games and give a larger range of games from which to pick the overall champion.

Banks has always seemed the odd game out in the DCC to me, very rarely played game in the USA and in Canada it is unheard of. 8-ball and straight pool deserve a spot in the DCC I feel and would make the whole overall event even better.
 
Tom,

Great to hear from ya'. It's Paul and Rick from Snooker's. Hope you haven't forgotten us already. Hope things are great in Sactown.

I'll be looking forward to catching up with you soon.
 
boti2634 said:
Tom,

Great to hear from ya'. It's Paul and Rick from Snooker's. Hope you haven't forgotten us already. Hope things are great in Sactown.

I'll be looking forward to catching up with you soon.
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Paul and Rick,

No, I haven't forgotten about any of my Cincinnati friends. I plan on being at the DCC in Jan 06. I want to enter the 1st annual 14.1 tournament. I've seen pics in the gallery section that have some Cincy players in them... you have to look at all the pic.. and I also saw you two in the ring game audience.

See ya.. soon

Team 8 ball... Team 9 ball,

Mr. Sullivan has all the tables necessay to make this happen.. he wants to hear from the pool playing fans for more ideas...
 
continuous one-pocket

In an interview with Ronnie Allen he describes a game/format of one pocket where you race to a set number of points (say 30) by finishing out each rack. With the player behind at the end for the rack breaking the next rack. This could be done in a 8-12 person round-robin format. I've always been interested in seeing this played in a pro-level tournament.
 
chefjohnb said:
In an interview with Ronnie Allen he describes a game/format of one pocket where you race to a set number of points (say 30) by finishing out each rack. With the player behind at the end for the rack breaking the next rack. This could be done in a 8-12 person round-robin format. I've always been interested in seeing this played in a pro-level tournament.
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The only problem with finishing each rack is the match could take forever, remember the longest games are usually the ones that come down to the last ball. In this format every game comes down to the last ball.

Wayne
 
Our esteemed poster Mr Strickland has already learned that there is great enthusiasm for a straight pool event. To those at DCC, I say let's take a shot at it.

Why not let anyone who wishes to pay a $50 entry fee for each attempt to "qualify a run" playing total offense straight pool. Allow qualifying for the first several days of the DCC event. A player wanting to take only one shot at qualifying can do so for $50. Any player wanting ten tries at "qualifying a run" will need to spend $500. Might be enough to dedicate three tables to qualifying. Then, at some designated point, take the four highest runs posted and have them play off in a four player, single elimination all-offense straight pool event, with nice prizes for 1st, 2nd and for the losing semifinalists. Make it a $25,000 added event. After throwing in all the $100 entry fees, the available prize fund should be considerable.

This approach would ensure that you'd get four real thoroughbreds in the last four, and even the qualifying could be breathtaking.

And, as Earl has noted, nobody would havew to worry about bad rolls. Run balls and shut up, as the saying goes.
 
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Celtic said:
I think straight pool would be a phenomenal addition to the DCC, and perhaps 8-ball (BCA rules on the 9-foots) as well in order to round out the complete spectrum of "pool" games and give a larger range of games from which to pick the overall champion.

Banks has always seemed the odd game out in the DCC to me, very rarely played game in the USA and in Canada it is unheard of. 8-ball and straight pool deserve a spot in the DCC I feel and would make the whole overall event even better.
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Spot on Celtic, for me it has to be 8 ball and straight pool. Persoanlly I would drop the banks for a full on 8 ball comp because a) 8 ball is the most popular cue sport in the world and b) bank is played nowhere in the whole world outside the southern parts of the states.

I've mentioned this several times but I would have one table set aside for a straight pool high run comp. Anyway who wants a go simply buys a raffle ticket for $20 or $50 or whatever and waits their turn. When its their turn they get the first break shot for free (don't have to make a ball, but can't foul) and then its as normal, miss and your runs over. No ball in hand just standard straight pool. Then at the end of the week either the highest run takes the cheese or you could as SJM suggested maybe make the top 4 runs play off or something. I personally prefer highest run but wouldn't this be great. We don't get to see big runs so much now because all tournaments are usaually race to 150. This would mean every year the best players in the world would get a week or whatever to post the best high runs and standard equipment each year. AND you only need one table running all week, it would draw some crowd around it and provide anyone that wants a crack at a cheap buzz. You feel a little silly if you make a run of 1 though!

8 Ball, 9 Ball and 1 pocket + event long straight pool high run comp = pool heaven for me :-)

Efren might even clean sweep the lot one year!
 
Tom
I like ypur idea. Check out the Earl thread. I have almost the same idea in there. I really like the offensive play and I think the fans would be treated to
some fine playing.

A couple others

1- Have a nineball ghost event. Each player gets 10 racks of 10 ball. He gets to break and take ball in hand and try to run out. Combos do not win but rather are spotted. The field of 8 or so would be thinned out after
each set of ten racks. Maybe have it as a sponsored only event and pay
all the way to last place so the players keep firing away and trying if
it they make a couple mistakes early.

2- To show a little support to the different pool leagues I think it would be
nice to have a scoth doubles event with the Pros. Maybe in each league
players buy tickets for $5 and then 8-16 or how many ever are in the event are randomly drawn. It would generate enough revenue to give each winner
some travel money and probably then some. Maybe donate all the extra money to a charity. With the leagues being handicapped it might be an option to stagger the teams. Maybe 3 players per team. 1 Pro, medium to high rated "winner" and one Lower to Medium rated player. The matches
could be races to 5 or 7 and the league player rotates with the Pro. One game its the Pro and the lower player and the next its the Pro and the High player. Or just have two different events for each team. One with the Pros and the higher players and a different one with the same or different Pros
and the Lower handicaps.
It might not be a barn burning of ball making but with the right Pros I bet it would be very entertaining. It should be a light hearted event. 8 or 16 lucky winners would get a chance of a lifetime.

3- I have always wanted to see the Pros play Fargo or that type of a game.
Once I watched a tournament where if you missed it was ball in hand.
Players becoome very creative and I saw some of the best pool I have ever seen.
 
How about a snooker table for 'Golf'

Celtic said:
I think straight pool would be a phenomenal addition to the DCC, and perhaps 8-ball (BCA rules on the 9-foots) as well in order to round out the complete spectrum of "pool" games and give a larger range of games from which to pick the overall champion.

Banks has always seemed the odd game out in the DCC to me, very rarely played game in the USA and in Canada it is unheard of. 8-ball and straight pool deserve a spot in the DCC I feel and would make the whole overall event even better.
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Your "odd game out" draws the largest field at the DCC!!
Banks is very popular in certain regions of the US -- and one of those areas is around Louisville, KY, home of the Derby City Classic.

I don't know if Diamond makes any tables larger than 4-1/2 x 9, but if there were just one 'Big Bertha' on the premises, I'd bet it would be in constant use -- but not for Snooker :)
You might need two -- one for an ongoing 'Payball' game, the other for 'Golf'.
Hell, with two tables he could run a 'Golf' tournament, because every game is multi-handed.

I would stay away from eight ball -- it is more than adaquately represented already at other events -- including of course other major Diamond sponsored events.

Golf and Payball, now they would add a whole lot of the right kind of interest and intregue for the DCC :) What do you think, Greg?
 
1pocket said:
...I would stay away from eight ball -- it is more than adaquately represented already at other events -- including of course other major Diamond sponsored events.
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Huh? The last pro 8-ball tourney was in 2001 IIRC

anyway, for DCC I like the total offense straight pool format that Earl talked about.
 
Wally in Cincy said:
Huh? The last pro 8-ball tourney was in 2001 IIRC

anyway, for DCC I like the total offense straight pool format that Earl talked about.
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But I'd start it out as an invitational, or large buy-in event.
Like the ring games.
 
I think Banks has to be in the DCC for a couple of reasons. 1) It is really popular in the home of the DCC--Kentucky. 2) Preceisely, because it is rarely played in other parts of the country, as a community of pool players, it is important for us to have an event that will preserve a high level of play and knowledge in a disappearing game.

As, for an event I would like to see: I would like to see some high stakes one pocket. Maybe some kind of one pocket ring game.

The other thing I would like to see is an exhibition where players perform/bet on "pet shots".

kollegedave

Banks has always seemed the odd game out in the DCC to me, very rarely played game in the USA and in Canada it is unheard of. 8-ball and straight pool deserve a spot in the DCC I feel and would make the whole overall event even better.[/QUOTE]
 
Skins Game, Skins Game, Skins Game, Skins Game,

Ever since I saw the SKIN'S GAME on TV - We have been playing it at the poolroom.
It is much better than a ring game because it takes more skill & there isn't the injustice of waiting 2 or 3 games to only come up hooked.
There is a lot of banter and woofing also - because one game your rooting for someone and the next game you might be rooting against him/her.

HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING -
We get 4 players of relatively close skills to draw pills for order. The lowest breaks and plays the next highest pill. Winner stays & the looser gets back in order to play again.
The $ amount can vary but we start by every player putting up $20.
Every time a player comes up to bat, he puts in $5 in the pot (on the first time). ON the second time he/she comes up to play, they must put in $10. Third time, $15. And the forth time, $20. Every time they come up to play after that, it just stays at $20.
ONCE A PLAYER WINS 3 GAMES IN A ROW, (Therefore beating all the other players in secession) - HE/SHE WINS "THE POT"!

I have also proposed that in addition to the SKIN POTS - We all start by putting up $200 into a Master Pot. This would only be won by the first player to win 3 Skins Pots.

This all seems pretty complicated when I type it out but believe me - It Isn't, once it is played.

I can just imagine this being played on one of the lounge tables at the DCC. With all the "Gunfighters" that attend, they would all want to get in to see if they could - "WIN SOME SKIN'S"!


TY & GL
 
I gotta agree with a couple of points... Get rid of banks??? I don't think so! Banks is tremendously fun to watch and draws the biggest group of players IIRC..
The Offensive straight pool would be a blast to participate in as well as from a spectators point of view.. I really like this idea the most.
As Oldhasbeen mentioned, the Skins game is also an awesome format and would be a welcomed addition to the DCC. The DCC is so much fun, I cannot wait to get back each year. It is great the Greg only strives to make it better each year. Thanks for supporting our sport, Mr. Sullivan.

Peace!
 
Both ideas are worth the effort to present to Greg.
Would a format of just 4 or 5 PROs (invited) be a good idea?
Then if everyone likes the format, open it up to all players?

RunArak said:
I gotta agree with a couple of points... Get rid of banks??? I don't think so! Banks is tremendously fun to watch and draws the biggest group of players IIRC..
The Offensive straight pool would be a blast to participate in as well as from a spectators point of view.. I really like this idea the most.
As Oldhasbeen mentioned, the Skins game is also an awesome format and would be a welcomed addition to the DCC. The DCC is so much fun, I cannot wait to get back each year. It is great the Greg only strives to make it better each year. Thanks for supporting our sport, Mr. Sullivan.

Peace!
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Dcc Changes?

I understand these posts are only suggestions, but if this the best thing going on in pool, why change it. Isn't the action and fast pace the main attraction? There is not much time for sleep now, how could you fit any more events in, and why would you? IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
 
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