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Island Drive

Island Drive

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Reading Bernies kicking system. Walt Harris "the systems reporter" said. Stroke is very important ..... absolutely dead ball English tip tip and ROLL BALL SOFTLY, much like a lag. Cue stick hits up with a short bridge. Is he hitting his dead ball, middle or above center? Dead ball sounds like??? Below center7
 
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4/5ths high was the rule for perfect rolling. Guessing the ball needs to be 100% hooked up (to the cloth) before it hits the cushion. Hitting below center would be Filipino follow - for wet tables and probably not billiards. Don't know the actual spec.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
Just google it...it is there.
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KICKING/FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH~~by Bernie Friend​

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Thread 'KICKING/FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH~~by Bernie Friend'

just thought i'd share some thoughts on kicking,for what it's worth.
to me kicking is more sensible than jumping. true it depends on the lie of the shot,yes, but all in all, it's much wiser to kick,than jump. it's a better chance of doing something positive with the object ball, be it playing a safe,or making it,with jumping,there is a lot of danger that goes with being a "hero" with that in mind,let's jump,exuse me let's go to kicking. now, there are players out there, especially from japan,that use different types of mathmatical diamond systems,the problem with that,is ,you have to rely...
 
Island Drive said:
Reading Brernies kicking system. Walt Harris "the systems reporter" said. Stroke is very important ..... absolutely dead ball English tip tip and ROLL BALL SOFTLY, much like a lag. Cue stick hits up with a short bridge. Is he hitting his dead ball, middle or above center? Dead ball sounds like??? Below center7
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Are you maybe referring to page 14 of the book, "The Billiards Atlas on Systems and Techniques (Vol. 1)", by Walt Harris?

If so, the suggestion is from Bernie Wishengrad, and not "Brernie".

Dead ball in this case means no side spin. Hoppe used the term differently.
 
best kick is dead ball. center cue ball hit lower speeds. no english so it always goes the same way off the rails. english and it lengthens and shortens with the tiniest bit off center of the hit. thats dead ball from old school talk.

of course most times you need to do something extra for other reasons than just to make the hit. as seen from efren.

other dead balls is one that cant miss
or very low hit drag so cue ball goes forward and slides some and dies quicker.
 
maha said:
best kick is dead ball. center cue ball hit lower speeds. no english so it always goes the same way off the rails. english and it lengthens and shortens with the tiniest bit off center of the hit. thats dead ball from old school talk.

of course most times you need to do something extra for other reasons than just to make the hit. as seen from efren.

other dead balls is one that cant miss
or very low hit drag so cue ball goes forward and slides some and dies quicker.
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So many "system" players add running english to any kick; certainly all rail firsts. IMO a great many of them would benefit by simply observing how the ball bends without the running english.
 
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Island Drive, I had the same confusion when I first heard dead ball. I thought it meant below centre too, like a drag shot.

What finally clicked for me was what Bob and maha said here. Dead ball just means no side spin. I play it centre ball, soft, a lot like a lag, and I keep my bridge short like you described. When I do that, the ball comes off the rail the same way every time, which is the whole point for me.

I used to put running English on almost every kick, and I'd be guessing whether it was going to lengthen or shorten. Taking the side off made the kick a lot more honest, even if I still need something extra sometimes to get shape after the hit.

When you tried it, did centre ball or a touch above centre work better for you on a one-rail kick?
 
all shots in pool need to be hit dead center of the cue ball, unless there is some reason not to.

in which case most shots may be improved by changing it.

but most can be made and get adequate position with hitting the cue ball dead center and using correct speed.
 
Thanks maha, that actually simplifies it for me. I was adding a touch above centre on those kicks because I thought it would help the cue ball run cleaner, but from what you are saying the height is not the lever at all — it is dead centre and getting the speed right.

On a longer one-rail kick where the cue ball has a long way to travel, do you still just stay dead centre and change nothing but the speed?
 
Bob Jewett said:
Hitting above center does help the cue ball "run cleaner". It also makes the speed control easier.
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Appreciate that, Bob. That lines up with what I was feeling on those kicks, I just was not sure I was reading it right. Easier speed control above centre makes sense too, especially on a longer kick where I tend to either float it short or send it too firm. I will keep maha's dead centre point for most shots and save the touch above for when the cue ball really needs to travel clean.
 
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