Define pack/package in pool?

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gxman

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Player A wins the lag and dry breaks. Player B runs out. 1-0.

Player B BNR the next 3 games(4-0). Player B then dry breaks. Player A missed a shot, player B runs out and wins game 5 (5-0). Player B then BNR game 6 (6-0).

Player A wins game 7. Score 6-1.


So did player B run a 3 pack or 6 pack?
 
gxman said:
Player A wins the lag and dry breaks. Player B runs out. 1-0.

Player B BNR the next 3 games(4-0). Player B then dry breaks. Player A missed a shot, player B runs out and wins game 5 (5-0). Player B then BNR game 6 (6-0).

Player A wins game 7. Score 6-1.


So did player B run a 3 pack or 6 pack?
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I believe its a 3 pack...but I also believe I'm in the minority because apparently from hearing players talk/pool hall/tourney chatter, many would say its a 6 pack.

This debate just really makes me appreciate the monster that Earl was in his prime, when his packages were break and runs.
 
A package is any consecutive racks won where your opponent did not ever get a turn, including passing back a push.
 
Let's take your final score outcome (6-1) and break it into three scenarios.

Scenario 1, what you described below
Player A wins the lag and dry breaks. Player B runs out. 1-0.
Player B BNR the next 3 games(4-0). Player B then dry breaks. Player A missed a shot, player B runs out and wins game 5 (5-0). Player B then BNR game 6 (6-0).

Player A wins game 7. Score 6-1
I would say Player B won 6 games in a row, with a 3 pack.


Scenario 2, Player B runs out on the first game, then breaks and run out the next 5 games.



Scenario 3, Player B wins the next six games because Player A keeps making too many mistakes.


In all three scenarios, Player B won 6 games to 1. Can you see the difference in skill? Would it be accurate to describe all three as running a six pack?

gxman said:
Player A wins the lag and dry breaks. Player B runs out. 1-0.

Player B BNR the next 3 games(4-0). Player B then dry breaks. Player A missed a shot, player B runs out and wins game 5 (5-0). Player B then BNR game 6 (6-0).

Player A wins game 7. Score 6-1.


So did player B run a 3 pack or 6 pack?
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Ko was on hill at 10-4 and Shaw won 7 straight(3-4 BNR). Frost said Shaw ran a 7 pack to win.

I also read that Chang had ran a 7 pack on SVB. I don't know if that was 7 BNR's or 7 consecutive games.
 
If your opponent got to the table at all during a game, that game is not part of a package. And, a package only consists of consecutive games that your opponent did not get to the table.

Example- You are racing to 7 for the set. Your opponent gets first break and breaks dry. You then get up there and run out the set. You just put down a 6 pack.
 
To be considered as part of a pack the player MUST break and the other player must NEVER get to the table.
In your scenario, it's a 3 pack
Jason
 
Yeah the question is really not about what constitutes a "pack", but what constitutes a "run out".

And I do believe that in order for it to be considered a run out, it must occur in the first inning.
 
The player ran out 4 racks in a row....what you are saying is in an alternating break format there can be no "pack" or "package" I watched Appleton vs Sky......match is on you tube....race to 8 or 9, not sure...every game was a bnr....Sky lost the lag,and the match, even though he broke and ran every time it was his turn......
 
jasonlaus said:
To be considered as part of a pack the player MUST break and the other player must NEVER get to the table.
In your scenario, it's a 3 pack
Jason
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I agree with this.

But to play devil's advocate....I believe since the advent of alternating breaks introduced to 9-ball by Europe, Asia, WPA...players will still refer to a package if their opponent breaks, and gives up control of the table, and they continue their run out.

I still think the term "pack" should be revered and not cheapened, but the sport has allowed the game of 9-ball to be altered thus opening the door to the terminology being altered as well.
 
I have always defined it as a "series of games where the opponent never leaves his chair".

In winner break, it is the point from where one player breaks until the opponent gets out of their seat to shoot. The number of BNRs in between is the "pack" or "package"

There are no "packs" in alternate break formats.
 
I would still call BnR's in a row in alternating break format a pack. Simply because you have yet to miss a ball and you have run out from every break. Doesn't matter that your opponent shot everyother rack.

Just my 2 cents
Jason

I have alternating break - rips the heart out of the game
 
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