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Seeing how we are already discussing the shafts..... In the photo of the two joint collars, and pilots, the bottom shaft is the Original and the top one is not. The shaft wood on Mottey cues covers the joint pilot like the bottom shaft. The top is definitely not a Mottey.
 
I bought the cue to play with it. It is my player. I have several cues I play with. Who had the cue you are talking about.
When you say this cue was your personal player as you did in your op, the clear inference is that you've had it as your main player for a while, not that you've had it just a few weeks and played with it along with several other cues. In reality it's more that you bought it last month, put it in rotation with a few of your other cues then decided this is one you'd like to sell..

Geez Ron, should you be passing judgements on other people's integrity?

MODS, please keep this thread up regardless of whether or not the cue remains avai;able for sale. This is a classic example of do as I say not as I do, quick to condemn me for MOTHING then follows up with this very questionable listing that he is now looking to unwind with the guy who sold it to him. Classic!!!
 
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You were quick to accuse me of being deceptive in the other mottey thread when I most certainly was not You said that i omitted important information. Then you post this sale thread and in your very comprehensive description of your cue somehow you forget to mention that you have at least one non original shaft amd prob not even a mottey. That I had to call you out on it in order to get you to acknowledge this *important information*

Say hypothetically before I came on and pointed out the problems with the shafts someone private messaged you and said I'll take it - were you going to slow them down and start explaining the issues with the shafts not matching or being original?

You participated In turning my sales thread into a referendum on dishonesty and deceit. Now this...

What irony..9

Glwys
I will know the shaft story tomorrow. The seller of the cue will tell me tomorrow the details on the shafts. If the shafts are not original he is going to give me another cue. I never thought the shafts were not original. I still have no proof of it. But if they are not I will get me a different cue.
There's a plaid elephant walking around this thread that shouldn't be ignored

How does the way you presented this cue Square with your commentary in my Paul mottey sale thread
You still have not told people in your post you are involved in a three way deal on your cue. Joe Monche had a right to know this before entering the deal. He would not have bought the cue if he knew this. Not telling Joe this was a deceipt. I suggest you tell people you are involved in a three way deal in your post so they can decide if they want to get involved in that situation. If you are looking for an apology you will not get it from me. You know what you did.
 
Seeing how we are already discussing the shafts..... In the photo of the two joint collars, and pilots, the bottom shaft is the Original and the top one is not. The shaft wood on Mottey cues covers the joint pilot like the bottom shaft. The top is definitely not a Mottey.
Only Ron didn't get that. I pointed this out about the very dissimilar pilots, he responded that he still thinks it may be a Mottey shaft but had no proof and that I also had no proof that it wasn't made by Mottey. I've had a fair amount of Mottey cues and none ever had a pilot like that.
 
I will know the shaft story tomorrow. The seller of the cue will tell me tomorrow the details on the shafts. If the shafts are not original he is going to give me another cue. I never thought the shafts were not original. I still have no proof of it. But if they are not I will get me a different cue.

You still have not told people in your post you are involved in a three way deal on your cue. Joe Monche had a right to know this before entering the deal. He would not have bought the cue if he knew this. Not telling Joe this was a deceipt. I suggest you tell people you are involved in a three way deal in your post so they can decide if they want to get involved in that situation. If you are looking for an apology you will not get it from me. You know what you did.
Ron; at the very least you are a hypocrite and now looking pretty shady, as well.

With respect to my listing, what's important is they will receive what is listed, a brand new unchalked Mottey cue from 1998 with no mongrel shafts unlike what is going on here.

So again, why was it that you didn't disclose this shaft issue iin your first post? And why the misleading bit about this being your personal player when you just got it?
 
Only Ron didn't get that. I pointed this out about the very dissimilar pilots, he responded that he still thinks it may be a Mottey shaft but had no proof and that I also had no proof that it wasn't made by Mottey. I've had a fair amount of Mottey cues and none ever had a pilot like that.
What if the two shafts were made by two different cue makers in the Mottey shop. I had a Richard Black that was the same problem once. That is why I still think that way. If it can happen in Black's shop it could happen elsewhere. These cue makers have other persons helping to build cues. Thanks for letting me know which shaft you think is the Mottey. I will look at it.
 
Is it still considered unchalked if you change the tip? What if you sand the chalk off. 1998 unchalked? Idk
Yes, unchalked from new. That cue was bought directly from Paul in 2021 he still had a few he kept and this was one of those.
 
Is it still considered unchalked if you change the tip? What if you sand the chalk off. 1998 unchalked? Idk
Also, the signature on Slick Chicken's cue is suspect.
Is this really new old stock or a cue that had been refinished?
Hmmmmmm
Look at the signature. The month and date seem to have worn off.
What's that saying about those who live in glass houses?

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Ron; at the very least you are a hypocrite and now looking pretty shady, as well.

With respect to my listing, what's important is they will receive what is listed, a brand new unchalked Mottey cue from 1998 with no mongrel shafts unlike what is going on here.

So again, why was it that you didn't disclose this shaft issue iin your first post? And why the misleading bit about this being your personal player when you just got it?
The cue is my personal player. I am not a dealer, all my cues are my players. I didn't know there was a time frame required for a cue to be your player. Never heard of that. When I first posted I never had pictures of the ferrules and shaft joint. Later I took the shafts down stairs and took more pictures and posted them. I could see some differences in the pilots on the shafts but I just chaulked it up to two different people working on the shafts at Mottey shop. It just didn't really dawn on me the shafts might not be original. I thought I bought from a reputable seller and there was not a problem. I will return the cue if the shafts are not ok.
 
What if the two shafts were made by two different cue makers in the Mottey shop. I had a Richard Black that was the same problem once. That is why I still think that way. If it can happen in Black's shop it could happen elsewhere. These cue makers have other persons helping to build cues. Thanks for letting me know which shaft you think is the Mottey. I will look at it.
lots of hopeful speculation bottom line is very mismatched and should have been pointed out in op highlihjting the differences and listing as unknown maker. You provided so much detail about all other aspects, even listing balance points but apparently didn't want to get into this.,
 
The cue is my personal player. I am not a dealer, all my cues are my players. I didn't know there was a time frame required for a cue to be your player. Never heard of that. When I first posted I never had pictures of the ferrules and shaft joint. Later I took the shafts down stairs and took more pictures and posted them. I could see some differences in the pilots on the shafts but I just chaulked it up to two different people working on the shafts at Mottey shop. It just didn't really dawn on me the shafts might not be original. I thought I bought from a reputable seller and there was not a problem. I will return the cue if the shafts are not ok.
I would think your player is defined as the cue your not planning on selling... Else it's just another cue. I wouldn't sell my player. If I were selling it .. I would no longer call it my player.
 
lots of hopeful speculation bottom line is very mismatched and should have been pointed out in op highlihjting the differences and listing as unknown maker. You provided so much detail about all other aspects, even listing balance points but apparently didn't want to get into this.,
Your suppositions are in your head. I think you should move on. I am done with this. The shafts will be verified or I will return the cue.
 
Also, the signature on Slick Chicken's cue is suspect.
Is this really new old stock or a cue that had been refinished?
Hmmmmmm
Look at the signature. The month and date seem to have worn off.
What's that saying about those who live in glass houses?

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I think the saying is People who live in glass houses should have wild sex parties because the guy across the street won't notice, he's too busy examining cue signatures.
 
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Your suppositions are in your head. I think you should move on. I am done with this. The shafts will be verified or I will return the cue.
who is verifying, the guy who sold it to you?

You dont have to believe me but are you doubting your friend 14.1er?
 
Hey, Ron, how was the "Chicken" dinner......yummy?
Looks like a chicken shish kabob, but what do I know? I was stupid enough to buy a cue from a seller who never disclosed that he never had the cue, or probably had never seen it.
Anyway, if you are interested in a possible trade for your Mottey, PM me .... we might be able to work something out and you can be done with this nonsense, once and for all.
 
Ron, last month you came on my Mottey sales thread while I had a sale pending.....I was selling my cue which had 8 ivory inlays and 2 matching Mottey shafts you came on and started to price bang my cue.

You said "Why so much?" And complained about me changing my price...news flash sometimes prices drop and then go back up it is called a sale and sometimes sales end..

on my sales thread you explained you just bought a Mottey for 80% the amount i was asking for my cue..(you used exact dollar amounts).....if this is the cue you were reffering to maybe the reason you got it so cheap is the one shaft issue.

Regardless you had no right to come on my thread and start talking about prices....there will be no further comments by me here. I will move this to Grudges and Grievances

GLWS....
 
Ron, last month you came on my Mottey sales thread while I had a sale pending.....I was selling my cue which had 8 ivory inlays and 2 matching Mottey shafts you came on and started to price bang my cue.

You said "Why so much?" And complained about me changing my price...news flash sometimes prices drop and then go back up it is called a sale and sometimes sales end..

on my sales thread you explained you just bought a Mottey for 80% the amount i was asking for my cue..(you used exact dollar amounts).....if this is the cue you were reffering to maybe the reason you got it so cheap is the one shaft issue.

Regardless you had no right to come on my thread and start talking about prices....there will be no further comments by me here. I will move this to Grudges and Grievances

GLWS....
Good Lord.
 
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