Delfection/Spin Methods

[boogieman]

If I go beyond what I just posted to explain it, guess what is going to happen?

Get the pitchforks boys!

Did I get it right?

 

[sparkle84]

I've been working on the system JJ shows in a video on Youtube; Ttitle is: Jeremy Jones Pool Instruction - Aiming with English

That's not a system. It's just one person's method based on the feel they've accrued over the years.
Very similar to all "systems", they all tend to get you in the race near the starting line but aren't of much use in getting you over the finish line.

To the OP, using inside to facilitate thin cuts has been around forever. As has outside but neither can be defined by any sort of objective measurement.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Get the pitchforks boys!

Did I get it right?

Yeh, for starters at least. You left out the Gomco clamp for a follow up from years ago.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

That's not a system. It's just one person's method based on the feel they've accrued over the years.
Very similar to all "systems", they all tend to get you in the race near the starting line but aren't of much use in getting you over the finish line.

To the OP, using inside to facilitate thin cuts has been around forever. As has outside but neither can be defined by any sort of objective measurement.

True to a certain degree, but also not true. It can be done per individual based on the tip of the cue and what part of it is aimed directly at a spot on the OB from COB to OBE with an angled cue from COB. The tip of the cue would be left edge, center, and right edge for outside English. Where exactly on the OB needs to be taught or learned from experimentation.

With inside English it can be done with TOI and a parallel alignment. How much and what the ball alignments are needs to be learned based on your cue and stroke/setup idiosyncrasies.

If you or anyone else disagrees, so be it. It's your style and game so do what works. (or doesn't work)

For me, over and out on this.

 

[RacerX750]

One approach is to simply play a lot of shots and build up a repertoire of side spin shots. Work on shots you have trouble with in games. Try speed/spin variations of each shot.

Another approach is to try to understand what's going on. You will still have to work on shots you have trouble with, but the knowledge will let you figure out what might be wrong and will tell you what to expect if you change the speed, spin and elevation.

The basics of how all that stuff works is available in Dr. Dave's videos or on his website. It might help to have an experienced player help you on the more confusing shots and situations, as in "Why didn't draw bring that ball back but instead made it go forward more off the rail?"

As one example of things you need to know: all normal side spin shots have swerve, and how quickly the swerve happens partly depends on whether you use draw or follow. You will almost never play with a level stick.

I agree with Bob 100% - "One approach is to simply play a lot of shots and build up a repertoire of side spin shots."

I was told early on that to learn the sport I had to "hit a million balls". Not exactly specific advice, but it's true. Experience teaches you how to control the cue ball no matter what you're trying to accomplish. And it takes a long time with a lot of effort and attention. I spent much practice just on stroke technique and all that entails. Once your stroke is consistent, you notice that you feel the cue ball contact and start to dictate rather precisely what happens to the cue and object balls after impact. At that point your game goes up a notch or two, and more improvement follows. Still for me, it's a lifelong journey to get better because this is by far the hardest thing I've ever wanted to get good at. Seems simple, but it isn't.

 

[Cue Alchemist]

Simplifying things and turning down systematical approaches when it comes to aiming/compensating for spin can be thought to come from a lack of intellect/understanding which you perhaps find to be true, but in this case it's the opposite for most people; even the most analytical of people will eventually realize the power of their intuition as they progress in their game.

After doing something for long enough and well enough, you just visualize the desired outcome and let everything else happen automatically from that.

Great post, so much of using different spins,is all about repetition. If you work hard enough, it's all automatic.where you don't think about it. You feel it coming off the tip. I was thinking how I would explain it.and your post says it right, in my view. weather you spin the ball a little or a lot, Knowing how the CB will react,(this is were your timing really helps) its also a really cool thing,when you can perform it under pressure as well. Your margin for error gets that little bit bigger!

 

[Cue Alchemist]

I agree with Bob 100% - "One approach is to simply play a lot of shots and build up a repertoire of side spin shots."

I was told early on that to learn the sport I had to "hit a million balls". Not exactly specific advice, but it's true. Experience teaches you how to control the cue ball no matter what you're trying to accomplish. And it takes a long time with a lot of effort and attention. I spent much practice just on stroke technique and all that entails. Once your stroke is consistent, you notice that you feel the cue ball contact and start to dictate rather precisely what happens to the cue and object balls after impact. At that point your game goes up a notch or two, and more improvement follows. Still for me, it's a lifelong journey to get better because this is by far the hardest thing I've ever wanted to get good at. Seems simple, but it isn't.

This is very true,it's how many of us start out.and gain that experience over time. A decent set up and a good stroke is all part of the process.

 

[dr_dave]

How do you (personally) compensate for deflection?
Does hitting english on the lower half of the cue ball differ from english on the upper half of the cue ball for you?
Do you have any rules of thumb you'd care to share?
How do you judge your deflection when there's distance involved?
Is it a part of your aiming while standing?

All these questions and more are answered and solved by the System for Aiming With Sidespin.

 

[dr_dave]

Another approach is to try to understand what's going on. You will still have to work on shots you have trouble with, but the knowledge will let you figure out what might be wrong and will tell you what to expect if you change the speed, spin and elevation.

The basics of how all that stuff works is available in Dr. Dave's videos or on his website.

These videos cover all the basics:

and much more info, and more videos on the topic, can be found here:

squirt, swerve, and throw effects

aim compensation when using sidespin​

 

[straightline]

True to a certain degree, but also not true. It can be done per individual based on the tip of the cue and what part of it is aimed directly at a spot on the OB from COB to OBE with an angled cue from COB. The tip of the cue would be left edge, center, and right edge for outside English. Where exactly on the OB needs to be taught or learned from experimentation.

With inside English it can be done with TOI and a parallel alignment. How much and what the ball alignments are needs to be learned based on your cue and stroke/setup idiosyncrasies.

If you or anyone else disagrees, so be it. It's your style and game so do what works. (or doesn't work)

For me, over and out on this.

Half assed agreement here. I come away with <Stable References>. Course I'm always on the lookout (in a half assed way) for those.

 

[sparkle84]

True to a certain degree, but also not true. It can be done per individual based on the tip of the cue and what part of it is aimed directly at a spot on the OB from COB to OBE with an angled cue from COB. The tip of the cue would be left edge, center, and right edge for outside English. Where exactly on the OB needs to be taught or learned from experimentation.

With inside English it can be done with TOI and a parallel alignment. How much and what the ball alignments are needs to be learned based on your cue and stroke/setup idiosyncrasies.

If you or anyone else disagrees, so be it. It's your style and game so do what works. (or doesn't work)

For me, over and out on this.

Seems you're missing the forest for the trees. What you're saying has nothing to do with JJ video.
Your sentence about idiosyncrasies contradicts the other assertions.