This thread was calling out Dennis. I'm just saying this is pool. It happens to the best of them all. If Shane getting back in the tournament wasnt bad form, I dont know what is.
Dennis Orcullo - Bad Form
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This thread was calling out Dennis. I'm just saying this is pool. It happens to the best of them all. If Shane getting back in the tournament wasnt bad form, I dont know what is.
Part of the issue was that the commentators forgot the matches were to 9 rather than 10 (as they had been for 10-ball). They thought Scott conceded the last two balls and another game, but it was just the last two balls. Scott also gave Rodney a high-five and congratulated him for playing great. Dennis stormed out without even looking at Shane.
This thread is about Dennis quitting, saying that quitting mid match is bad form. It's not about bad form, it's about Dennis. This has nothing to do with tournament director rulings on whether or not a player can enter back into the tournament.
If you want to talk about bad form, we should be conversing about Earl Strickland's attitude towards the game.
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I seen him pull up in a race to 11 or 12......just un corcked at 7-7......he was trapped by Melrose, but that's not the point. I would call that stiffing a bet....real bad sportsmanship lol.
Thanks for clarifying. So the commentators thought he conceded 2 balls plus an entire game. Makes sense now.
In the WPBSA, one who quits a match when he can still mathematically win is fined.
Unlike pool, the WPBSA has some teeth because it's producing millionaires.
But I agree, there should be a fine any time there are paying spectators and money added.
.....although the amount should reflect the earning capacity of the players.
Players who quit when there is a calcutta should be penalized also
Dennis is a bad sportsman at times
Shane has quit a match before
Simple enough?
Shane has quit a match before
Simple enough?
Dave;
I'm really not biased though I do root more for shane because I think he's very classy and he's American, like I am. :smile:
Was SVB acting unsportsmanlike and childish for unscrewing after that ref call at MP Open? I think that's very debateable.
Was Dennis childish and unsportsmanlike in the 4 examples I cited, including last night's display? I say Yes with a capital Y.
It's not my bias favoring Shane, it's my honest opinion.
best,
brian kc
the Melrose action match was the one I referenced in my op.
yep, dennis bailed on that one.
best,
brian kc
Quitting is quitting.
Let me tell you how a couple champions can take a loss....
Cliff Thorburn, our only Canadian world snooker champion, played in the Prince Albert
tournament one year....he plays pretty sporty 9-ball also.
Alex is up 10-1 on Cliff in a race to 11....Cliff is methodically racking the balls....
...Alex is waiting to break....
...Cliff looks up from the rack and asks..."By the way, how does the table play?"
Alex and all the spectators cracked up...:rotflmao:
And here's how a pool champion can handle a loss.....
Can't remember who it was, but he was shooting an easy 9-ball for the match and became
aware that everybody was laughing....he looked up...
...it was Jim Rempe with a white towel on top of his cue, waving it in surrender.
I remember these two players as much for their grace in defeat as for their many wins.
Cliff Thorburn, our only Canadian world snooker champion, played in the Prince Albert
tournament one year....he plays pretty sporty 9-ball also.
Alex is up 10-1 on Cliff in a race to 11....Cliff is methodically racking the balls....
...Alex is waiting to break....
...Cliff looks up from the rack and asks..."By the way, how does the table play?"
Alex and all the spectators cracked up...:rotflmao:
And here's how a pool champion can handle a loss.....
Can't remember who it was, but he was shooting an easy 9-ball for the match and became
aware that everybody was laughing....he looked up...
...it was Jim Rempe with a white towel on top of his cue, waving it in surrender.
I remember these two players as much for their grace in defeat as for their many wins.
sticking a knife in someone's chest is sticking a knife in someone's chest.
BUT
it's a little different when one instance is a thug robbing someone on the street
vs
a man defending his family from an intruder.
best,
brian kc
Just took the train down to Ventura and rode back with a new BMW RnineT roadster. I'm in the process of personalizing it. It's kind of a modern retro bike, a souped up factory custom with a traditional BMW 1200 boxer engine. Lots of fun! The California central coast is perfect for riding. I wanted to get one last year but there was a waitlist. Anyway my focus has shifted away from cues.
Jay Helfert went down to a BMW dealer with me last year and I saw one there - that was it, I was sold.
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I just watched the loop of the stream again this morning. He was just looking for an excuse for losing 9-2. SVB used the same magic rack, and had a great break after Dennis was complaining about it. It looked like he intentionally jumped the ball on his last break, in order to blame the break.
They apparently have a rule against forfeiting. They should not let him play on the loser's side for forfeiting the last game and for not shaking hands. We've all been there, and you've got to feel for him. But if they want to improve behavior they should have some penalty.
They apparently have a rule against forfeiting. They should not let him play on the loser's side for forfeiting the last game and for not shaking hands. We've all been there, and you've got to feel for him. But if they want to improve behavior they should have some penalty.
Here's a screen shot of the final ball position. At 8-2 Dennis was about to break. He approached the TD and complained about the magic rack, but it's unclear what his complaint actually was. Dennis broke, and the CB left the table. Dennis looked frustrated as he sat down.
Shane has BIH but it looks like there is some work to do given the cluster. Shane was looking at the table for about 10 seconds when Dennis started unscrewing his cue. The TD waved Shane off and declared a forfeit.
Shane has BIH but it looks like there is some work to do given the cluster. Shane was looking at the table for about 10 seconds when Dennis started unscrewing his cue. The TD waved Shane off and declared a forfeit.
Tate that is one bad a@@ looking bike.
I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, there is an old saying "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." I have known many players that really get upset when they lose and that helps fuel their motivation not to lose.
On the other hand, if you are trying to play pool as a profession, it's counterproductive to act like a baby when you are being sponsored or trying to gain sponsorship. I've always felt if I have too much emotion that I can't control then I take a break. If you are doing it for a living, then having that control is pretty important.
I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, there is an old saying "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." I have known many players that really get upset when they lose and that helps fuel their motivation not to lose.
On the other hand, if you are trying to play pool as a profession, it's counterproductive to act like a baby when you are being sponsored or trying to gain sponsorship. I've always felt if I have too much emotion that I can't control then I take a break. If you are doing it for a living, then having that control is pretty important.
Dennis had also complained about the rack on his previous break, and the TD got a new one - or at least he took it off screen and then came back.
I agree with many of your posts but not this one. Sorry to say but you lost the plot on this one.
Trying to justify that SVB did not quit/forfeit because of bad ref/tourneys rule of call 10b is biased. In that MP Cup tourney, Biado did not call 10b in last rack of semi v Pupul. The 10b was inches from centre pocket and any 3 year old could pot it but Biado did not call 10 ball and the 10b was respotted for Pupul to shoot and win the match and face Efren in final. Biado did not unscrew and walked off. Biado's 10 ball unquestionably will only go into centre pocket whereas in SVB's case one could say there were 3 pockets that the 10 ball could have gone in.
My point is the "call every 10 ball" rule (however stupid) was the rule in that tourney and everyone (even SVB) had to follow it. Just cos it was a ridiculous rule does not excuse SVB from being a quitter/ forfeiter as even Biado had to follow also..
So SVB quit/forfeit plain and simple
But you are right based on record, Dennis 4 forfeits v SVB 1 makes Dennis look lesser in terms of sportsmanship
