regardless of the rules, everyone is playing under the same conditions, you have to admit that this is a pretty good run given the strength of the fields ...
Dennis Wins - has this been done before?
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regardless of the rules, everyone is playing under the same conditions, you have to admit that this is a pretty good run given the strength of the fields ...
Not that my opinion matters for anything, but I think Dennis O. is the best poolplayer in the world right now. SVB is right up there among the world's best, but I'm sorry, I'd bet the house on Dennis if these two matched up (#1) If I was a gambling man, and #2) If they matched up more than ONCE, say maybe in a series of consecutive weekends or months).
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Orcollo is playing some of the best pool ever right now. The man is nearly a machine. Nobody is his peer right now.
Magic ball rack
Not wanting to get into any pissing contests, but all the blame being put on the use of the magic ball rack is wrong.
For years the players would argue about the rack.
I went to rack your own at the Swanee about 15 years ago because of the racking issues.
Pat fleming's crew has told me the matches would speed up an hour if there was no racking issues.
9-ball rack is the problem with 9-ball.
All the MBR does is rack the balls tight- which is the gal, no matter what racking methd s sed.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
Not wanting to get into any pissing contests, but all the blame being put on the use of the magic ball rack is wrong.
For years the players would argue about the rack.
I went to rack your own at the Swanee about 15 years ago because of the racking issues.
Pat fleming's crew has told me the matches would speed up an hour if there was no racking issues.
9-ball rack is the problem with 9-ball.
All the MBR does is rack the balls tight- which is the gal, no matter what racking methd s sed.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
Mark,
Aren't we removing what little randomness there is left with the use of artificial racking devices? Combining the MR with pattern racking takes all the randomness out. What is left to be variable? Break speed? Angle of contact? Moving x number of balls past the side pockets after the break? Breaking from the box? Nine ball on the spot? Does the breaker rack their own? Where does it end? On this point, I'm with Paul Schofield.
Must admit the one characteristic of the MR I do like is the infrequency of making the nine on the break. Most racks I've seen, the nine sits in the MR having not moved. Rather make my opponent shoot out the rack as most others on AZ would agree. That alone is proof of a tight rack.
Certainly hope your trip to Reno is better this year than last. Wish I could have made it out there again this year. Really enjoyed the Grand Sierra as well as the event. Actually had a couple of great meals there. Would love to discuss this further over a beer or two.
Thanks to you and the CSI crew for the Swanee live streaming. Watched almost all except the finals. Couldn't keep my eyes open anymore!
Lyn
Aren't we removing what little randomness there is left with the use of artificial racking devices? Combining the MR with pattern racking takes all the randomness out. What is left to be variable? Break speed? Angle of contact? Moving x number of balls past the side pockets after the break? Breaking from the box? Nine ball on the spot? Does the breaker rack their own? Where does it end? On this point, I'm with Paul Schofield.
Must admit the one characteristic of the MR I do like is the infrequency of making the nine on the break. Most racks I've seen, the nine sits in the MR having not moved. Rather make my opponent shoot out the rack as most others on AZ would agree. That alone is proof of a tight rack.
Certainly hope your trip to Reno is better this year than last. Wish I could have made it out there again this year. Really enjoyed the Grand Sierra as well as the event. Actually had a couple of great meals there. Would love to discuss this further over a beer or two.
Thanks to you and the CSI crew for the Swanee live streaming. Watched almost all except the finals. Couldn't keep my eyes open anymore!
Lyn
I would like to see this, but bring back the old school race to 100 for these two.... Imagine the possible swings and runs in a long set at the level both are playin at right now...
Did you watch both Dennis and Jayson warm up for the finals? Jayson, like most players in the Tournament, threw the balls on the table and ran them. Dennis kept RACKING balls and then ran them until he KNEW what he had to do to win. Smart is not Ridiculous. It was masterful and beautiful to watch and no one else figured it out during the entire tournament!
t sounds like I'm hearing everybody say that only Dennis can do this or that he is the only one that can run out over and over...., again the American players just dont want it bad enough to put in the work.
This American guy named Corey Deuel was doing this soft break thing about 10 years ago and he was very successful , this bothered people and promoters started specifying that a certain amount of balls had to pass the side pockets towards the head rail.
Nobody had worked as hard as Corey at breaking . Corey seemed to become discouraged and his game fell off .
Gary,
How about Dennis' first match on the TV table. Did you notice him mark the rear of the Magic Rack. He found the right angle. Marked it. Then returned the rear of the MR to the same spot every rack. Also made the same wing ball in the same corner each time. He might have been able to do the same thing with a Diamond rack but I doubt it. Agree it was a pool lesson of the highest order. Some of it made possible by the pattern racking and the Magic Rack. The toughest part by one of the great pool players of our day.
Lyn
True
I can understand why Corey was upset about this. They basically invented rules just to stop him
no magic rack?no pattern rack?no 9ball or 10ball on break?no soft break?what else is going be next?enough with those excuses and making new rules to stop one guy from winnings..what if shane / jayson / rodney won that swanee event?i bet we won't hear anything like this.i bet you'll say " he is the best in the world.no one is near on his level..etc..etc.."not because your hero didn't win or didn't do well in a tournament doesn't mean you'll come up with some ridiculous rules because you don't like the other guy..Dennis worked hard to learn those technique and i think he deserve to get a credit for doing that.
Maybe in the US. Other countries are right behind the Filipinos and Taiwan might even be a hair better.
Yes. But probably more like 10.
Mark Griffin stated that there was to be no pattern racking and no soft breaks. Dennis was doing both at the Swanee.
Not taking anything away from his awesome abilities, just sayin'.
exactly- agree 100%-
if there would be more money (in Taiwan as well in the *overseas tournaments), many pro s from Taiwan would enter the tournaments in usa and europe.
Can we agree that right now Shane is the dominant American player?
Can we agree Dennis is the dominant Asian player?
Can any of the Europeans beat either of these two guys on a regular basis?
There have been several players from China who burst on the scene only to disappear.
On an all games basis, right now I give the mantle of Best in the World to Dennis. Shane is a close second. After that, who knows!
Lyn
Probably no discussion on #1 right now... I think the conversation starts at the #2 level for best all around player, right now.... several can get in that discussion very quickly... (Alex, Busty, Shane...)
Yes
No, Chang Jun Lin and Yang Chin Shun play just as good if not better.
In tournaments yes, in gambling probably not. Gambling is not as popular in Europe it seems.
Not really. They "burst" onto the scene and then disappear from the eyes of US pool fans because they tend to stay in Asia when they realize coming to play in the US isn't profitable. The same guys are still dominant in Asian tournaments and do very well in international tournaments.
Maybe, although on an all game basis, I think there are half a dozen others who would probably tie Shane for second or even beat him considering Alex, Francisco, and Alcano all grew up playing rotation, while I have never heard whether or not Shane plays rotation at all.
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