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you are never risking your money gambling. you are donating it if you have the worst of it and getting it donated to you if you have the best of it.

its a fallacy about luck and chances. its all math. you lose or win over time exactly the amount according to your edge/ "expected value"..
 
as far as quitting in a pool game, before you even start set the parameters. i always set is that this game will be just like in a casino, and either side can play or quit anytime he wants for any reason.
that also gets me able to raise the bet as i can say i have to leave soon and will bet more and stay longer if you raise it.

since i am almost always ahead, when i get tired or want to end it, i tell them that i am going after the next game or two. if they want they can bet all they want to try and get even. or play again tomorrow.

it isnt a social event.
 
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as far as quitting in a pool game, before you even start set the parameters. i always set is that this game will be just like in a casino, and either side can play or quit anytime he wants for any reason.
that also gets me able to raise the bet as i can say i have to leave soon and will bet more and stay longer if you raise it.

since i am almost always ahead, when i get tired or want to end it, i tell them that i am going after the next game or two. if they want they can bet all they want to try and get even. or play again tomorrow.

it isnt a social event.
Nowadays there's definitely a set time limit for me and wherever we stand that's it. Also if the game changes then I'm not obligated to play but 1 set. Things I wish I'd have done 30 years ago 😅
 
i never will play a set. only game by game. this way i get paid.
plus the big thing is a set is a final happening. game by game is no end. so the opponent gets to keep playing till he loses all he has got. after a set or two it is too easy to quit.

ive played a few where ive won 100 games ahead in a long session with the bet getting raised along the way. no way that can happen with a set.

play a guy a set of 5 one pocket. you win 5 to 3 so he quits. or wants to change the game.
play game by game and after being up 2 games he still is playing even after 5 or 6 many times.
 
as far as quitting in a pool game, before you even start set the parameters. i always set is that this game will be just like in a casino, and either side can play or quit anytime he wants for any reason.
that also gets me able to raise the bet as i can say i have to leave soon and will bet more and stay longer if you raise it.

since i am almost always ahead, when i get tired or want to end it, i tell them that i am going after the next game or two. if they want they can bet all they want to try and get even. or play again tomorrow.

it isnt a social event.
Guys around here would declare last (enter credible number of games) games. For the change we used to bet it was usually last three lol. Always hated that. Sessions should at least go by the hour.
 
It seems over the last few years that the big match-ups have sort of dried up. It's basically down to the Dominican guys playing gaff games with everyone. Any thoughts on why this has happened?


Among a lot of what was already posted, this was the ultimate reason that the Louie Roberts Action Award ended. The casino turned a blind eye to the side action for years, but unfortunately they thought the article was marketing an area in which they are supposed to be the governing body A little rubbing the proverbial nose in it. I think that with the Action Award ending, and with the DCC required to take down any Louie Roberts Action Award banners, gambling was no longer as much a part of the hype and marketing. Gambling still happens, but the entertainment aspect, driven by the side action, had to be curbed.

IIRC, the casino said that two players can gamble with each other all day long. But the moment side bets were made and encouraged, then that falls under their jurisdiction. The Award encouraged the side action, to which they had turned a blind eye.
 
Wait, wait, wait -- I missed something else. Again. I keep telling y'all to keep me awake! When did the Louie Roberts Action Award bite the dust? Get erased? What were the circumstances? Who was told what, when? Are the continuing benefits still being awarded? In silence? Damn kids are going to have to quit high-jacking my computer.
 
So, I did a quick search. Wow. I take back what I have been saying about going to DCC. First, I am apparently so senile I'd get lost on the way. Second, if I got there, I am not sure I would know where I was. Is the action completely dead? After midnight, it used to be like a Mardi Gras parade breaking up. I cannot imagine a DCC as dry as I am attempting to imagine. Could it be so and still be the DCC? Is it still the DCC a la the Executive West and Johnston City Hustler Jamborees of old? Would someone please give me an idea of what extra-curricular gambling at DCC is like now? Do I have to take out a special license ("get permission") to get in action? Can I side-bet on anything?
 
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it is against the law in most states or all states for the casino to allow betting in their place on non sanctioned things.
they really dont want that anyway and why should they.

and many of those in the side action rooms are 4 sharing a room and cooking in it and not spending any money in the place.
who needs that. then complain all over the internet how bad the food is there and how they are treated.

thats why gambling tournaments need to move to a venue that can hold them. and keep out those that do more harm than good.
 
While researching Mississippi gambling law, I re-encountered the old Mississippi Supreme Court opinion in Stubbs v. State, 40 So. 2d 256, 258 (Miss. 1949). It remains as amusing today as when I first read it some 45 years ago. More importantly, it is still good law, still being cited today, and enjoys tangential application to the issues presented by the current DCC quandry:

"R.D. Stubbs and twelve other Negroes, appellants here, were convicted in a justice of the peace court upon a charge of engaging in a game of chance, namely, gambling, for money, by shooting dice. Upon appeal to the circuit court they were again convicted and have appealed to this Court.

The locus delicti was in a verdant pine grove, typical of South Mississippi, a short distance from old state highway No. 13, — a significant number since there were thirteen defendants there assembled; recalling the traditional superstition, confined not alone to the Negro Race, this ill omen should have warned of impending disaster. The time was a tranquil Sunday afternoon in the sultry month of August.

A diligent constable, intent upon upholding the peace and dignity of the State of Mississippi, having learned of this assemblage and being dubious of his ability to cope with the number involved, called upon and "deputized" four other people to accompany him to the scene. They approached the unwary and hapless appellants and discerned that they were huddled in a manner similar to that of the players in our popular collegiate game of football but there is no evidence of the presence of the proverbial pigskin. Some of the appellants were in a circle instead of the single wing formation of the gridiron, and were apparently in approximately that position assumed by the linemen when ready for the snap-back; others of the appellants were behind these linemen in what we judge to be the double wing formation of the backfield. The appellant, Tom Newsome, was calling the signals and carrying the ball; at the moment the play was interrupted he was calling for a six and was rolling something out upon the ground which one of the witnesses identified as dice, though no such instrumentality of popular pastime was ever found by the raiders.

There was money upon the ground in front of some of the appellants but not all of them, and those who possessed the coin of the realm thus lavishly displayed were not identified so as to separate them from those who were mere interested spectators. Upon discovery of the presence of "the law" the formation broke into a running match, but two skyward shots from the constable's gun brought to a halt all of the players save the fleet-footed appellant, R.D. Stubbs, who had apparently seized the ball from the mass of scrimmage and sprinted over the hill as if running for a touchdown; he did not return for an attempt to convert for the extra point, but was subsequently apprehended. These, in brief, are the facts disclosed by the postgame cinema."

The full opinion can be found here:

 
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Absolutely! The streamers switch from Oscar drilling Jesus Atencio 9-3..... To watching a bunch of hacks practicing on a barbox.
Chat had it 100% correct when they said that everyone is chasing around a few high rollers trying to get in on it.
Action was/is so sparse that Big Truck was advertising every few hours for people to come in and play.

Then everyone is enamored with Carl and Dunn playing a $130 or $150k match. It wasn't even fun to watch.
Have I played for $130k nope, but I also bet my own, and don't need to go around the room to get 200 people to go in with me vs. the multi-millionaire I'd be playing.

I don't know what the answer is, but there were so few action matches where it wasn't 2 nobodies playing one ball one pocket, or the Reyes crew who let's face it are less than honest.
 
So, I did a quick search. Wow. I take back what I have been saying about going to DCC. First, I am apparently so senile I'd get lost on the way. Second, if I got there, I am not sure I would know where I was. Is the action completely dead? After midnight, it used to be like a Mardi Gras parade breaking up. I cannot imagine a DCC as dry as I am attempting to imagine. Could it be so and still be the DCC? Is it still the DCC a la the Executive West and Johnston City Hustler Jamborees of old? Would someone please give me an idea of what extra-curricular gambling at DCC is like now? Do I have to take out a special license ("get permission") to get in action? Can I side-bet on anything?
The last time I saw "really good" gambling at DCC was a few years ago, when Filler played Chang a race in the wee hours of the morning. It "used' to be, BigTruck had his pick of solid games to stream, and that year had multiple good matchups. The last two times I went, including 2023, the downtime between matches was pretty long, and even when a match did come up, they weren't really big names on either side of the bet. On a positive note.. I got to play a little with Mickey Krause before his game jumped up. In 2023, Mickey DID play One Pocket (badly) with one or two Polish champions, but they were kind of as helpless as he was in the moving area, so it was mildly entertaining, but not much more. But that was on a side table, not on any stream.
 
it is against the law in most states or all states for the casino to allow betting in their place on non sanctioned things.
they really dont want that anyway and why should they.

and many of those in the side action rooms are 4 sharing a room and cooking in it and not spending any money in the place.
who needs that. then complain all over the internet how bad the food is there and how they are treated.

thats why gambling tournaments need to move to a venue that can hold them. and keep out those that do more harm than good.
The food is actually good at turningstone, not necessarily the food court but all the rest is good.

Had the Japanese A5 Wagyu 4 times over 4 days at the tournament lol 🤷‍♂️
 
With the current state of DCC action, I actually miss Dippy Dave and wildly handicapped 1p a bit
 
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