That's interesting......Richard Black previously told me that Cape Buffalo Horn also came pretty close to the properties of ivory and he used it in the past on some Pendelton cues.
Destroyed Ivory
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exactly my thoughts.
There have been plenty of threads about ivory/elephants. The last big sale to the Chinese went to make name stamps. It took 25 years for the US to accumulate 6 tons of illegal ivory. Single busts in China have netted nearly as much in one raid.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogs...lysis+(Mish's+Global+Economic+Trend+Analysis)
And what was the point of this posting?
Obviously China, for example, is a market which in no way compares to US regarding poached ivory.
This is for several reasons, but mostly because of the volume of possible buyers, that is, extremely wealthy people, who cannot find any other way to spend their money anymore, than something that no one else has, namely ivory.
The specialists in the video shown in the quote above gave all the arguments needed for why the attitude towards poaching of ivory should be ZERO TOLERANCE, namely all confiscated ivory in ''buyers countries'', that is, US, Europe, China, and Japan and some others, should be destroyed without a question.
Still, after all this, there remain people who are not willing to accept the fact that the ''legal'' availability of ivory only fuels poaching and the destroying of a great species of an animal.
Just a while ago, I even read an ''opinion'' on this very forum, stating that the existence of elephants as a species would do better if there was a constant demand for ivory, the argument being that ''you don't see cows going extinct, do you?''
There are a lot of questions that many of the frequent contributors to this forum should be asking themselves.
PS. Regarding some posts on the very same issue on the Non Pool Related -forum, I would like to declare that I myself would never buy or (if I ever had a chance (I won't)) even touch a Bob Danielson -cue. He has made it very clear in this thread http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=340836 that the wellbeing of the African Elephant as a species is of no interest to him. Of course, I am not accusing him of any illegal activity, far from it. He is, as far as I know, a great cuemaker with no problems dealing with ivory or any such materials. His attitude however made me to add this little announcement, of very little information to most of you, of course.
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The point...? The point is that even the man who initiated the first burning of illegal ivory, Richard Leakey, admitted that it would have been better to sell the ivory than pour gasoline on it and light a match. Grinding it up is no better and does nothing to stop the poaching. Millions of dollars goes a long ways towards protecting the elephants.
As for legal ivory fueling poaching.... an unfounded opinion but you are entitled to your opinion just as others, including myself, are. China has a cultural history with ivory, something like the Native Americans and whales. Good luck on getting the Chinese to stop buying anything they wish.
I have never heard of this. I would be glad to see a reference.
OK. Just...wow. I am not even going to say anything to that.
Really, just ... wow. lol. Try this link and maybe you will learn something new
https://www.google.com/search?q=Chi...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
If you think that the Chinese consumption/use of ivory is a new thing based on newly rich with nothing else to spend their money on, well, just... wow.
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Dear Mr. Danielsson, could you provide me a link to the text where Richard Leakey actually states that he would have liked to see the confiscated ivory selled rather than destroyed.
EDIT: I did not read the article that you referred to, as it is complete bullshit and I doubt whether anyone besides the authors friends and family members have read it. I am still asking for a reliable, hopefully published reference.
EDIT 2: I must apologize to you, Mr Danielson, I did not read your answer carefully. The edit above refers to the latter link of yours, not to the one, where Richard Leakey should give his opinions. I will however leave it as it is, so that there should be no dispute. But reading your link on the interview of Richard Leakey I still cannot find any point where he would confirm your views. I know that you must be a busy man, but I would be happy if you could point this out.
From the google reference you've given, it is very difficult to find anything meaningful. I am not trying to be difficult here, but I would truly be happy to find the reference, and if I do, I will apologize to you for doubting not to be able to give a reference.
About your comment on the chinese, I will still remain in the position that your comment was racist and not appropriate. Also regarding the comment on whales and ''native americans'', I am willing to explain further why your comment might be considered somewhat racist if you don't think so yourself.
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Just to make this dispute clear and to state it as it is (as my posts above are a bit disguised by the wording and drunkendness):
Dear Mr. Danielson, could you please
1) Provide a link to a piece of a text where Richard Leakey (who I do greatly admire) states that he regrets destroying ivory.
2) Provide a link to some information where it is shown that non-white (native americans, chinese) people have been abusing nature in a way that you haven't.
Obviously, the number 2) is there for only to **** with you. So you can freely concentrate on number 1). But I am waiting for an answer for that.
Dear Mr. Danielson, could you please
1) Provide a link to a piece of a text where Richard Leakey (who I do greatly admire) states that he regrets destroying ivory.
2) Provide a link to some information where it is shown that non-white (native americans, chinese) people have been abusing nature in a way that you haven't.
Obviously, the number 2) is there for only to **** with you. So you can freely concentrate on number 1). But I am waiting for an answer for that.
Pool cues.
I posted this in previuos thread.
I believe the alleged problem with the selling of confiscated ivory is that illegal ivory was sold mixed in with the fresh infusion of legal ivory. Documents were forged and it was another way to legitimize illegitimate ivory.
Kind of like how it easier to hide in plain sight if you are in a crowd
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/world/asia/hong-kong-ivory/index.html?hpt=wo_bn4
I did read the report from CITES, "Elephants in the Dust, The African Elephant Crisis" , and it was quite the eye opener. A pretty tragic situation.
http://www.cites.org/common/resources/pub/Elephants_in_the_dust.pdf
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Does this mean Cuetec should start using ivory?:killingme:
Dear Rasputin,
As I am busy also I would suggest you buy the book, The Sixth Extinction, and read the entire book by yourself. Here is a link to bookfinder.com where you can purchase one. http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?a...minprice=&maxprice=&mode=advanced&st=sr&ac=qr
As for the link I provided being total bull shit, even though you never bothered to read the actual link, all I can say is you are a total whack. The link is an interview with Leakey, who at this point I can only assume you have no idea who the gentleman is in the first place.
As for my comment and link to proof about the Chinese historical use of ivory being racist, once again I can only conclude that you are a total whack and suggest you get a dictionary out to look up the meaning of some words.
And finally, our discussion is over as I could hardly care less about continuing a conversation with someone that makes conclusions about things without even reading that thing in the first place and doesn't have a clue what racist means. Enjoy your day and be sure to take advantage of the bookfinder link I have posted for you, unless of course you deem it bullshit before even looking.
Read an article last week about the ivory problem but deleted it so can not link to it. It described how Al-Qaeda was behind much of the current poaching these days, using automatic weapons and helicopters. Underfunded ground forces have little chance of stopping them.
I suggest you get a new day job since your current gig as a clairvoyant is not going so well. To assume that I do not care for the well being of the Elephants because I do not agree with burning or crushing of confiscated ivory is utter nonsense, just like the rest of what you are posting. Your drama queen comment about not even touching one of my cues should you have the opportunity is quite touching.
Neither of your links worked??
Sorry, I fixed them in the above post.
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Ok I certainly was being quite a drama queen, I give you that. I was drunk.
I do however still mainly agree with the drunken myself from last night, but I'll leave it to this for now.
Pro players play with whatever their sponsors give them, and it's the best until they get sponsored by someone else. So I'd forget the pro reference. If they are using ivory their not going to say because it isn't P.C. There is wood to wood, metal to wood, synthetic/bone to wood. That's the only difference in feel. I will say though that if I drop 1500$ and up on a cue if something is white it better be made of ivory.
Completely disagree. Ivory is a tooth. It is not a consistently dense material. Thus some ivory ferrules will play great and last forever and others will feel like crap and crack easily. There are many synthetic materials out there now which mimic ivory's properties exceedingly well and are 100% consistent.
It was proven by John McChesney and his partners that most players cannot tell the composition of the joint or ferrule by hit alone.
http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2009/02/22/what-is-the-hit-of-a-pool-cue/
I have had so many cues with ivory ferrules and joints I lost count. Some hit like gold and others I could not stand. In fact the WORST one was a Tim Scruggs with an ivory joint and ferrule. Thank god I didn't own that one and it belonged to my partner. You could not pay me to use that cue for even a $10 a game session. And I was shocked because I LOVE Scruggs cues.
Not weighing in on the ivory debate other than to say in my experience ivory is completely NOT NEEDED in modern cue construction. There is no technical reason in my opinion to use ivory in cues.