Destroyed Ivory

Actually they could have sold it (after marking it) & used the money to help people that are in need. But as we all know, the government is here & ain't here to help.
 
I started a thread on this the other day. Seems silly.

just a true waste of life now. The animal doesn't spring back up, when the ivory is crushed.
 
I have "slightly" changed my view on this subject since posting in the other Thread.

I still want the Poachers/Traffickers shot-on-sight ... However, as with seized Cars,
Boats, Homes, Jewelry, Artwork, etc. .... Gub'ment dickwads could auction the Ivory
and use those funds to "Target" the Poachers/Traffickers for extinction.
That said, should we also allow the re-sale of Confiscated Exotic Skins, Animal
Organs, Cocaine, Heroine, Weed, etc ?
No matter how we rationalize these actions, it's a Bitter Pill to swallow.

Wish I had "the" answer ...
 
I believe in parts of africa it is legal, and even encouraged to shoot poachers on sight. I think I read that somewhere.
 
Str8PoolPlayer said:
I have "slightly" changed my view on this subject since posting in the other Thread.

I still want the Poachers/Traffickers shot-on-sight ... However, as with seized Cars,
Boats, Homes, Jewelry, Artwork, etc. .... Gub'ment dickwads could auction the Ivory
and use those funds to "Target" the Poachers/Traffickers for extinction.
That said, should we also allow the re-sale of Confiscated Exotic Skins, Animal
Organs, Cocaine, Heroine, Weed, etc ?
No matter how we rationalize these actions, it's a Bitter Pill to swallow.

Wish I had "the" answer ...
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Poachers, traffickers, druggies should all be executed.

Destroy the drugs & bad stuff, sell the good stuff to (art, skins, jewelry, boats & so on) to help people.
 
ceebee said:
Poachers, traffickers, druggies should all be executed.

Destroy the drugs & bad stuff, sell the good stuff to (art, skins, jewelry, boats & so on) to help people.
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except that selling the seized items doesn't fddo anything at all to decrease demand.

Can't help feeling, that if Ivory wasn't in demand for cues,no one on here would give a crap anyway
 
You know, the problem I have with this thread is, WE are the demand. WE are the reason why this problem exists. Every time someone says, "Man, how can they destroy all of that ivory?", you're only making the problem worse. Either you agree with the ban and the preservation of elephants or you don't. If you do, you have to agree with destroying confiscated ivory. If you agree with the ban and the reasons behind it, you won't want anything to do with ivory. If you don't really care and you want ivory anyway then you're not in support of a ban. It's really that simple. It's okay, you don't have to support every bit of legislation there is and I'm not saying you *should be PC* or anything. I'm just saying, let's call a spade a spade.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You know, the problem I have with this thread is, WE are the demand. WE are the reason why this problem exists. Every time someone says, "Man, how can they destroy all of that ivory?", you're only making the problem worse. Either you agree with the ban and the preservation of elephants or you don't. If you do, you have to agree with destroying confiscated ivory. If you agree with the ban and the reasons behind it, you won't want anything to do with ivory. If you don't really care and you want ivory anyway then you're not in support of a ban. It's really that simple. It's okay, you don't have to support every bit of legislation there is and I'm not saying you *should be PC* or anything. I'm just saying, let's call a spade a spade.
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This.

Though this should not even have to be said out loud, instead it should be obvious.

There are at least two threads on this forum right now, started and agreed by people who either are pro poached ivory, or simply have no idea what they are talking about. If former, it makes me sick. If latter, you should think before you utter out your ''opinion''.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You know, the problem I have with this thread is, WE are the demand. WE are the reason why this problem exists. Every time someone says, "Man, how can they destroy all of that ivory?", you're only making the problem worse. Either you agree with the ban and the preservation of elephants or you don't. If you do, you have to agree with destroying confiscated ivory. If you agree with the ban and the reasons behind it, you won't want anything to do with ivory. If you don't really care and you want ivory anyway then you're not in support of a ban. It's really that simple. It's okay, you don't have to support every bit of legislation there is and I'm not saying you *should be PC* or anything. I'm just saying, let's call a spade a spade.
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You said it better than I tried to.
For poaching to stop, demand has to stop. To make demand stop, you can't talk lovingly
about how nice the stuff is and wouldn't it be great if they could just keep all that ivory and find some use for it.
 
very good posts....

Just a note; there has been artificial ivory developed for pool cue parts. It's beautiful & it's tough.
 
The ivory needed to be destroyed and selling it would have only stimulated the illegal trafficking as the sale of the ivory would have garnished world-wide attention through media coverage. Sure, the proceeds could be used to help protect elephants as a species but the amount of money would be offset by arousing the value and money that can be made through poaching.

Look, I am a big, big fan of ivory in pool cues. I think ivory makes the very best cue joints, ferrules and decorative inlays. I'm having a custom built right now and it's crowded with ivory. I rely upon my cue-maker, who I know is a reputable person, to procure his ivory legally through some of the ivory dealers I located on the Internet. There is still legal ivory and it all doesn't have to be pre-elephant ban ivory either. This legal ivory admittedly does not come from elephants but nonetheless is still ivory.

I know Juma looks like ivory for decorative inlays and as such, is legal to ship cues into and out of the USA without worry about confiscation. But it doesn't play anything like ivory in the mechanical aspects of the cue, i.e., ferrules and joints. I intend to keep buying cues with ivory joints, ferrules, inlays and butt caps because the ivory being used by USA cue-makers is not causing the annihilation of elephants and the ivory these pool suplliers carry and provide is being very closely scrutinized and surveilled by regulatory agencies like ICE & U.S. Fish & Wildlife.
 
Ivory is a luxury item. It serves no useful purpose. Name one thing that works better because it contains Ivory?
 
Two things.........a one (1) inch ivory ferrule is the best ferrule made and a big pin/flat faced ivory joint is the best cue joint made.....IMO....and that's why all the great, legendary cue-makers of yesteryear and the top echelon cue-makers today, use an ivory joint on their very best cues and "always" ivory ferrules....not Micarta, not LBM , or Melamine or some other bunk material. The ancestry of cue-making and decades of cue photos and pool books confirm and attest to this.....the best cue-makers loved ivory for its unique feel which is why it's used by the best cue-makers.

You may like the firmness, rock hard feel of a steel joint, or the softness of a wood to wood joint but ivory is still the supreme material for cue ferrules and cue joints. Do some cue research, browse through the archives and find out firsthand what you do apparently do not yet understand at this time.
 
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