That cue sold for ~$1,200
Determining Cue Values, i.e., Prices.
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That cue sold for ~$1,200
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Marc, I know you are a Runde fan, is Searing 5x better? Personaly is rather spend 2k on a Runde rather than 10k on a Searing?
Marc, I know you are a Runde fan, is Searing 5x better? Personaly is rather spend 2k on a Runde rather than 10k on a Searing?
You would then have a 2k Runde.... If you spent 10k on a Searing you'd have a 10k Searing...
Kinda the same if you spent 60k on a new Corvette or 300k on a new McLaren...
Either way it's all good. Whatever makes you happy. Just don't cofuse your "likes" with value.
I said it already and I'll repeat it again. Searing cues command what they do because they are of the highest quality, lowest quantity cues available today. That's it...Know it. Live it.
Don't question it anymore. Just enjoy what you have. No need to compare and try to justify your decision to collect certain cues as opposed to Searings. See that's the main issue imo. Some just can't get over that their 2k cues could be worth any less or built as good as someone else's cues... The facts are there are makers who are experts at construction. Some at finishing. Some at inlay work. Some at design composition...etc....There are short lists in every category but there are even less that are exceptional at all aspects and that has its short list as well and even those have a hierarchy... Right now Dennis sits at the top and for good reason.
You know the good thing about a forum like this is you get exposed to those who collect differently. Sometimes VERY differently but if you stay aware you see what are THE cues to add to your "portfolio" if value is your goal....If you can't afford it well then welcome to a HUGE club. If you can afford it then do just as you would do in any financial investment. Watch, listen, research, and don't hesitate to pull the trigger....
Well stated skins....and I definitely can't bring myself to sell all for the sake of just one cue.....I'd rather just wonder.
Matt B.
Matt B.
I wouldn't worry about it Matt. You're receptiveness may very well at some point put you in position to be able to make a choice without having to get rid of all your cues. At that point you won't have to wonder anymore. :wink:
Well said!
I had 11 searing at one point along with a bunch of other "top" makers and the only ones I got Pm's about selling were the Searings.
How close does someone have to hold a cue to see major defects? Shoot some sticker cues are hard to tell. We have looked at cues from 6 inches away and could not tell. Kinda like real and fake diamonds. To the naked eye you may not be able to tell the difference. Granted I just bought 2 Bob Frey cues. Someone would have to very poor work to even see flaws that weren't under a microscope.
Interesting thread.
you own alot of expensive cues (and beautiful ones i might add...:thumbup
would you mind giving more of your thoughts to this thread?? please??
Indeed.
Collect what you can afford and what makes you happy!
Play with that one cue that suits you best.
Most of all, realize that makers all have their following and when a cue gets shown in the gallery, well, girls will be girls. There may be even those so overcome with euphoria that the highest accolade of all will be proclaimed. That being, the greatest CM on the planet, a living legend. We've all seen it happen and to other CMs as well. It is what it is and is all in fun (IMO). Understanding that will help put it all into perspective.
Paul
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Tatoo.....your post asked about my motive for putting up cue photos of my Owen cue. It was to let people whom may not have seen Bob's workmanship view a sample of his cue-,making. And if any of them can spot some flaws, they have a more discerning eye than I do.
I tried to convey that in my post when I wrote............"And as far as workmanship, I'll let you guys decide but l've got absolutely no gripes with the way Bob made this cue and it's wasn't easy. I drew the design that he had to follow and I gave him very hard cue specs to meet. Mr. Owen split the fairway with a 400 yard drive when he made my cue.....he got it all right which wasn't easy since I also furnished a light weight for my cue's butt and a heavy weight for my cue's shafts."
Bob is also a cue-maker that WildWing had on his list of cue-makers and he also inquired what makes cue-makers different in their cue-making. I could only offer concrete information about my Owens cue and Bob does use a different taper shape for his cue shafts which is illustrated in one or two of the photos, i.e., conical shape.
Matt B.
I tried to convey that in my post when I wrote............"And as far as workmanship, I'll let you guys decide but l've got absolutely no gripes with the way Bob made this cue and it's wasn't easy. I drew the design that he had to follow and I gave him very hard cue specs to meet. Mr. Owen split the fairway with a 400 yard drive when he made my cue.....he got it all right which wasn't easy since I also furnished a light weight for my cue's butt and a heavy weight for my cue's shafts."
Bob is also a cue-maker that WildWing had on his list of cue-makers and he also inquired what makes cue-makers different in their cue-making. I could only offer concrete information about my Owens cue and Bob does use a different taper shape for his cue shafts which is illustrated in one or two of the photos, i.e., conical shape.
Matt B.
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i quite honestly am turned off by the whole custom cue craze. having purchased my one and only custom a few years ago i have no desire to ever purchase another one.
i am not knocking any cue maker...dealer/flipper ...collector or seller/purchaser/trader. its just not for me.
yes i know a custom is made with a higher degree of craftsmanship.
yes i know they have a higher level of quality materials
yes i know you can have one made to your exact specs
yes i know they can increase in value or at least maintain the purchase price or drop very little in value.
all the above and probably several more reasons are pros to purchasing a custom.
below are cons.
waiting years for a cue
getting shafted by a cue maker..pun intended :grin-square:
going through a dealer/flipper/seller kinda defeats the purpose of owning a custom since it was not made specifically for you.
if a cue maker gets a bad rep for any reason your cue made by him drops in vale over night . which leads me to my next view point.
when some one comes on here " average joe " stating he got a bad deal with a certain maker you have people coming out of the wood work defending said cue maker. ...mostly to keep the value of their cue from dropping from said cue maker.
perfect example for above opinion. ...several years ago a poster came on here stating he got a bad deal from zinzola. he was bashed out right on this forum for telling his story. a while later so did another poster. fast forward towhen tikkler got shafted by zinzola...only then did people take notice. you had several more pop up and say they also had bad dealing with zinzola but did not want to say any thing because they figured they would get bashed also.
as far as prices go...who the hell knows. take my custom cue experience for example.
i purchased a cue for 2,500.00.from an individual i came on here describing my experience with a dealer who is highly respected on here when i attempted to make a deal with him at the southern classic in tunica. i was gonna give him his asking price for his cue but i thought he was low balling me for what he would give me for my cue.
kinda funny he would only give me 1,200.00 for my cue loaded with ivory and abalone along with silver stitch rings at all locations when he wanted 1,800.00 for a cue by the same maker with no ivory,no abalone..no silver stitch rings and less points.
actually he out right lied to me when he stated my cue did not have real ivory....trying to beat down the value of my cue i surmise. as i keft his booth i was wondering if it was true my cue was not ivory and i had been deceived when i bought it.
i walked right down the hall to steve lomax;s booth and had him look at my cue. he placed it under a magnigfying glass and said it was real ivory. i did not tell him about my experience right down the hall but did tell him what i paid for it and asked if i got a good deal..he said i got a real good deal on it.
when i posted my experience on this forum and some one posted pictures of my cue since i did not know how almost every one sided with the dealer.
when i had mike massey sign one of my 3 shafts he took my vcue and held it up to the light and stated...this is one of the most beautiful cues i have ever seen...its got to be a 4- 5.000.00 cue. i replied i dont know what its worth but i bought it for 2,500.00. he stated stated i got a heck of a deal.
i sold it recently for the same 2,500.00 i paid for it.
i took that cue to bars...played league 4 nights a week for 2 years and got back exactly what i paid for it. so yes my one and only experience with a custom cue was a good one i dont really want to get another one due to who the hell knows what a certain cue is worth except for what you are willing to pay for it.
i am not knocking any cue maker...dealer/flipper ...collector or seller/purchaser/trader. its just not for me.
yes i know a custom is made with a higher degree of craftsmanship.
yes i know they have a higher level of quality materials
yes i know you can have one made to your exact specs
yes i know they can increase in value or at least maintain the purchase price or drop very little in value.
all the above and probably several more reasons are pros to purchasing a custom.
below are cons.
waiting years for a cue
getting shafted by a cue maker..pun intended :grin-square:
going through a dealer/flipper/seller kinda defeats the purpose of owning a custom since it was not made specifically for you.
if a cue maker gets a bad rep for any reason your cue made by him drops in vale over night . which leads me to my next view point.
when some one comes on here " average joe " stating he got a bad deal with a certain maker you have people coming out of the wood work defending said cue maker. ...mostly to keep the value of their cue from dropping from said cue maker.
perfect example for above opinion. ...several years ago a poster came on here stating he got a bad deal from zinzola. he was bashed out right on this forum for telling his story. a while later so did another poster. fast forward towhen tikkler got shafted by zinzola...only then did people take notice. you had several more pop up and say they also had bad dealing with zinzola but did not want to say any thing because they figured they would get bashed also.
as far as prices go...who the hell knows. take my custom cue experience for example.
i purchased a cue for 2,500.00.from an individual i came on here describing my experience with a dealer who is highly respected on here when i attempted to make a deal with him at the southern classic in tunica. i was gonna give him his asking price for his cue but i thought he was low balling me for what he would give me for my cue.
kinda funny he would only give me 1,200.00 for my cue loaded with ivory and abalone along with silver stitch rings at all locations when he wanted 1,800.00 for a cue by the same maker with no ivory,no abalone..no silver stitch rings and less points.
actually he out right lied to me when he stated my cue did not have real ivory....trying to beat down the value of my cue i surmise. as i keft his booth i was wondering if it was true my cue was not ivory and i had been deceived when i bought it.
i walked right down the hall to steve lomax;s booth and had him look at my cue. he placed it under a magnigfying glass and said it was real ivory. i did not tell him about my experience right down the hall but did tell him what i paid for it and asked if i got a good deal..he said i got a real good deal on it.
when i posted my experience on this forum and some one posted pictures of my cue since i did not know how almost every one sided with the dealer.
when i had mike massey sign one of my 3 shafts he took my vcue and held it up to the light and stated...this is one of the most beautiful cues i have ever seen...its got to be a 4- 5.000.00 cue. i replied i dont know what its worth but i bought it for 2,500.00. he stated stated i got a heck of a deal.
i sold it recently for the same 2,500.00 i paid for it.
i took that cue to bars...played league 4 nights a week for 2 years and got back exactly what i paid for it. so yes my one and only experience with a custom cue was a good one i dont really want to get another one due to who the hell knows what a certain cue is worth except for what you are willing to pay for it.
dang that was a long post...i tried to cover several things.
cliff notes.
i paid 2,500.00 to an individual
a certain reputable dealer stated my cue was only worth 1,200.00
steve lomax said it was real ivory and a good deal for the price
mike massey thought it was a 4-5,000.00 cue.
the person who bought it from me paid my asking price of 2,500.00 with out any questions.
so who the heck knows what a cue is worth except for what you are willing to pay.
cliff notes.
i paid 2,500.00 to an individual
a certain reputable dealer stated my cue was only worth 1,200.00
steve lomax said it was real ivory and a good deal for the price
mike massey thought it was a 4-5,000.00 cue.
the person who bought it from me paid my asking price of 2,500.00 with out any questions.
so who the heck knows what a cue is worth except for what you are willing to pay.
ahhhh ya WIMP!..lol :wink:
Haha! I know what you mean. Some of them do not like it when you present anything that doesn't comport with their conclusion.
Somehow, I have a sneaky feeling I would have your back on this one...
Comport
Good word "comport", I don't believe I have ever seen or used it before now. I have a feeling I would comport with you.
Good word "comport", I don't believe I have ever seen or used it before now. I have a feeling I would comport with you.
LoRider Didn't Do So Bad.......
I think lorider did fine with his cue experience.........he bought an expensive custom cue at a great price which all of us aspire to do when we buy our cues. He was able to extensively play with the cue and enjoy it for a couple of years.....and then later decides to sell it and not lose a red cent......sold it for what he paid for it.......in a very weak resale market for cues that's gone down since he bought that cue.....and he still didn't lose any money. That's a scenario most any cue owner would be gratified to experience.........play with an expensive custom cue and sell it for what your paid for it even though the market has been going down since you bought the cue. Don;t know about others but I'll settle for that any time
I actually made a profit on the cue I recently sold but I bought it at a great price 5 years ago. However, the market has gone down a lot since I purchased that cue and I still netted a profit so it can and does happen......buy the right cue-maker at the right price......enjoy a great cue for years and then when you want your money or another cue, sell it.....maybe make a profit.....doesn't sound so bad to me. And it also doesn't sound like lorider's cue was kept at home for personal play and it was out and around town seeing everyday use in pool halls and bars for league play.
Now I can appreciate the annoyance lorider must have felt about the lack of integrity on the part of that cue dealer.and the truth is there's assholes and dishonest individuals in every industry & type of work. It can ruin your feelings about doong something again. Nonetheless, it still doesn't alter the fact that lorider was able to play with a great cue for a couple of years and when he sold it, he never lost a penny......only because his cue was a custom cue from a respected cue-maker, unlike the dishonest ones like Tony Zinzola, Lee Pepper, et al.
Overall, it sounds like lorider did pretty good because he could have owned an expensive production cue, like a Schon, a well respected name in cues. But it's unlikely the sale outcome would have been the same if that were the case.......just my 2 cents about custom cues.
Matt B.
I think lorider did fine with his cue experience.........he bought an expensive custom cue at a great price which all of us aspire to do when we buy our cues. He was able to extensively play with the cue and enjoy it for a couple of years.....and then later decides to sell it and not lose a red cent......sold it for what he paid for it.......in a very weak resale market for cues that's gone down since he bought that cue.....and he still didn't lose any money. That's a scenario most any cue owner would be gratified to experience.........play with an expensive custom cue and sell it for what your paid for it even though the market has been going down since you bought the cue. Don;t know about others but I'll settle for that any time
I actually made a profit on the cue I recently sold but I bought it at a great price 5 years ago. However, the market has gone down a lot since I purchased that cue and I still netted a profit so it can and does happen......buy the right cue-maker at the right price......enjoy a great cue for years and then when you want your money or another cue, sell it.....maybe make a profit.....doesn't sound so bad to me. And it also doesn't sound like lorider's cue was kept at home for personal play and it was out and around town seeing everyday use in pool halls and bars for league play.
Now I can appreciate the annoyance lorider must have felt about the lack of integrity on the part of that cue dealer.and the truth is there's assholes and dishonest individuals in every industry & type of work. It can ruin your feelings about doong something again. Nonetheless, it still doesn't alter the fact that lorider was able to play with a great cue for a couple of years and when he sold it, he never lost a penny......only because his cue was a custom cue from a respected cue-maker, unlike the dishonest ones like Tony Zinzola, Lee Pepper, et al.
Overall, it sounds like lorider did pretty good because he could have owned an expensive production cue, like a Schon, a well respected name in cues. But it's unlikely the sale outcome would have been the same if that were the case.......just my 2 cents about custom cues.
Matt B.
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