Diameter of handle ?? - Tapering ??

[RickBrazil]

Here's a few questions for the wise ones !!!

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )

2- How far can we turn a shaft to obtain a loooooong, straight, thin, taper; and how thin ? (Thinking of, from/around 11mm - 11.75mm) How low can you go ? The distance from the ferrule until __________ ? Reason is, I've played w/ a friend's McDermot, w/ a shaft kinda like that, and definitely loved it, I just couldn't miss a shot, the damm thing looked fragile, comparing to regular ones ! Just affraid of geting mad at it, trow it hard, and having the whole thing come back,and hit-me in this Brazilian head !!!........( BOOMERANGS ? anyone ??? )

PS: -(I'm not a cue maker !, just having this wonders !!!); I am happy and lucky about having a chance for explanations of individuals with such a degree of knowledge, you guys are awesome !!!

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

Here's a few questions for the wise ones !!!

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )

2- How far can we turn a shaft to obtain a loooooong, straight, thin, taper; and how thin ? (Thinking of, from/around 11mm - 11.75mm) How low can you go ? The distance from the ferrule until __________ ? Reason is, I've played w/ a friend's McDermot, w/ a shaft kinda like that, and definitely loved it, I just couldn't miss a shot, the damm thing looked fragile, comparing to regular ones ! Just affraid of geting mad at it, trow it hard, and having the whole thing come back,and hit-me in this Brazilian head !!!........( BOOMERANGS ? anyone ??? )

PS: -(I'm not a cue maker !, just having this wonders !!!); I am happy and lucky about having a chance for explanations of individuals with such a degree of knowledge, you guys are awesome !!!

This is an easy one for me. ALL of my Qs are the same size , butt, joint & taper. I do make a different taper for break Qs. I try to make every Q I make dementionally the same. If you want a skinny butt, you won't hurt my feelings........go somewhere else..JER

 

[RickBrazil]

This is an easy one for me. ALL of my Qs are the same size , butt, joint & taper. I do make a different taper for break Qs. I try to make every Q I make dementionally the same. If you want a skinny butt, you won't hurt my feelings........go somewhere else..JER

Sure, thanks anyway; considering that u didn't answer my ?, It makes a lot easyer to answer that way !
OK, I know my english is pretty bad, but couldn't you @ least try to read my questions more than once.. ..???
Anyway, about the - : (Go somewere else...), I'll seriously think about it ! Im sure you are a very wealthy man alredy, with no need of customers; well let me tell you something ! Maybe today im not beeing able to buy more than one meal a day my friend; but one day I'll be buying one cue every 6 months, and I'll leave your name for last, cuz I've probaly went SOMEWHERE ELSE...; I guess i'm sorry !!! but honestly If you dont wana take your time, or don't know the answer, try,in the future not to bother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I apreciate your effort,
Sincerely, Rick...

 

[hadjcues]

Here's a few questions for the wise ones !!!

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )

Normally the butt of the cue has a single taper from the joint to the buttcap... this is what is called a single taper. Now thr thickness or thinness depends on the cuemakers specs.... measured by what we call TAPER PER INCH.

There is also what you call a compound taper, where the butt has a few tapers in them e.g the forearm has a different taper compared to the handle/buttsleeve.... the specs depend on the cuemakers preferences.

As for rule of thumb... it all depends on the players grip/style...

2- How far can we turn a shaft to obtain a loooooong, straight, thin, taper; and how thin ? (Thinking of, from/around 11mm - 11.75mm) How low can you go ? The distance from the ferrule until __________ ? Reason is, I've played w/ a friend's McDermot, w/ a shaft kinda like that, and definitely loved it, I just couldn't miss a shot, the damm thing looked fragile, comparing to regular ones ! Just affraid of geting mad at it, trow it hard, and having the whole thing come back,and hit-me in this Brazilian head !!!........( BOOMERANGS ? anyone ??? )

You can have the taper of your friends shaft copied if you like the way it plays... or better yet, get the same shaft (i shaft?)

As far as how long you can cut it... it's up to what you like... not my cup of tea though.... cuetec I believe came up with a shaft, thunderbolt I think that has a straight taper of 20" from the tip.

Hope I've helped you in a way

Hadj
www.hadjcues.com

 

[RickBrazil]

Here's a few questions for the wise ones !!!

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )

Normally the butt of the cue has a single taper from the joint to the buttcap... this is what is called a single taper. Now thr thickness or thinness depends on the cuemakers specs.... measured by what we call TAPER PER INCH.

There is also what you call a compound taper, where the butt has a few tapers in them e.g the forearm has a different taper compared to the handle/buttsleeve.... the specs depend on the cuemakers preferences.

As for rule of thumb... it all depends on the players grip/style...

2- How far can we turn a shaft to obtain a loooooong, straight, thin, taper; and how thin ? (Thinking of, from/around 11mm - 11.75mm) How low can you go ? The distance from the ferrule until __________ ? Reason is, I've played w/ a friend's McDermot, w/ a shaft kinda like that, and definitely loved it, I just couldn't miss a shot, the damm thing looked fragile, comparing to regular ones ! Just affraid of geting mad at it, trow it hard, and having the whole thing come back,and hit-me in this Brazilian head !!!........( BOOMERANGS ? anyone ??? )

You can have the taper of your friends shaft copied if you like the way it plays... or better yet, get the same shaft (i shaft?)

As far as how long you can cut it... it's up to what you like... not my cup of tea though.... cuetec I believe came up with a shaft, thunderbolt I think that has a straight taper of 20" from the tip.

Hope I've helped you in a way

Hadj
www.hadjcues.com

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Now that's what im talking about !!! Thank you Sr. !

By "Diameter of the handle ", I meant thickness, and yes I would believe I would get more confortable with a thinner but,
(not that I need a DIET ), smaller hands !

About the shaft; yes it must be something like 20" +/- ; it's just the fear of having a one piece shaft turned down too thin/too long at the point of beeing useless in 4/5 months, warped like a bow !
Anyway, I greatly aprecciate yor time and knowledge !!!
Sincerely, Rick

 

[Purdman]

Here's a few questions for the wise ones !!!

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )

2- How far can we turn a shaft to obtain a loooooong, straight, thin, taper; and how thin ? (Thinking of, from/around 11mm - 11.75mm) How low can you go ? The distance from the ferrule until __________ ? Reason is, I've played w/ a friend's McDermot, w/ a shaft kinda like that, and definitely loved it, I just couldn't miss a shot, the damm thing looked fragile, comparing to regular ones ! Just affraid of geting mad at it, trow it hard, and having the whole thing come back,and hit-me in this Brazilian head !!!........( BOOMERANGS ? anyone ??? )

PS: -(I'm not a cue maker !, just having this wonders !!!); I am happy and lucky about having a chance for explanations of individuals with such a degree of knowledge, you guys are awesome !!!

Judging from this post Rick, you don't need a one of a kind Richard Black cue that has a fat butt and two 13mm shafts. You pick out your Vipor cue and we will see what we can do.
There are slimmer handled cues out there. The 11 mm shaft ain't gonna do anything but warp on ya. Viper may be the way to go until you make your adjustments. Let me know which viper you happen to like.
Purdman
Trying to do the right thing!!
I would also like to hear what some of the other AZ'ers think about this situation. Thanks!

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

Sure, thanks anyway; considering that u didn't answer my ?, It makes a lot easyer to answer that way !
OK, I know my english is pretty bad, but couldn't you @ least try to read my questions more than once.. ..???
Anyway, about the - : (Go somewere else...), I'll seriously think about it ! Im sure you are a very wealthy man alredy, with no need of customers; well let me tell you something ! Maybe today im not beeing able to buy more than one meal a day my friend; but one day I'll be buying one cue every 6 months, and I'll leave your name for last, cuz I've probaly went SOMEWHERE ELSE...; I guess i'm sorry !!! but honestly If you dont wana take your time, or don't know the answer, try,in the future not to bother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I apreciate your effort,
Sincerely, Rick...

Please forgive me if I upset yuo with my answer. I am not a wealthy man, I do appreciate all of my customers, but as I said, I won't compromize the design or playability of my Qs. I only make them one way & that's it. My feelings are that no mater where you are, if you pick up one of my Qs it will play like all of the other Qs I've made. The only way I can accomplish this, is to make them all alike. So if a customer comes to me & wants a smaller tapered butt or different taper on his shaft I POLITLY tell him my policy & have no hard feelings about him going somewhere else to have it done. As for your English, god bless you for learning a 2nd language. I wish I were as smart as you & could accomplish the learning of some other language. Hope you have a pleasent day...JER

 

[JoeyInCali]

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )


If you like a slim handle, measure the top and bottom of that handle.
Skinny handle does not mean skinny or whippy cue.
As Hadj mentioned, cue come in single tapers or dual/compound tapers.
I like mine with two tapers. The forearm around 16 thousandths per inch and the handle around 12-13 thou per inch.
I don't like single taper cues b/c there is a big difference in the handle's diameter from the middle to the bottom ( unless the cue's taper is really whippy ). But, some like it that way too.

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

Judging from this post Rick, you don't need a one of a kind Richard Black cue that has a fat butt and two 13mm shafts. You pick out your Vipor cue and we will see what we can do.
There are slimmer handled cues out there. The 11 mm shaft ain't gonna do anything but warp on ya. Viper may be the way to go until you make your adjustments. Let me know which viper you happen to like.
Purdman
Trying to do the right thing!!
I would also like to hear what some of the other AZ'ers think about this situation. Thanks!

I'm thinking you're referring to the other thread(?) Sounds to me like you stuck out a helping hand and are about to get it smacked. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[Varney Cues]

Judging from this post Rick, you don't need a one of a kind Richard Black cue that has a fat butt and two 13mm shafts. You pick out your Vipor cue and we will see what we can do.
There are slimmer handled cues out there. The 11 mm shaft ain't gonna do anything but warp on ya. Viper may be the way to go until you make your adjustments. Let me know which viper you happen to like.
Purdman
Trying to do the right thing!!
I would also like to hear what some of the other AZ'ers think about this situation. Thanks!

I'm thinking he might be best suited with a Cuetec with the SST (super slim taper), then he can do like Earl and have it turned down even more. Or basically find whatever cue has a thin enough butt and put a Z shaft on it. I don't ever make or recommend an 11mm shaft. If 11mm is what you want...the Z shaft is indeed your best option.

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

Here's a few questions for the wise ones !!!

1- Is it standard until wich point ?, how the taste for a smaller diameter handle, could implicate on the quality of the cue; and/or, is it a rule of thumb to have smaller diameter for smaller hands ? ( Personally I think I'd like'm smaller !, and I also like a lighter playing cue!!! )

2- How far can we turn a shaft to obtain a loooooong, straight, thin, taper; and how thin ? (Thinking of, from/around 11mm - 11.75mm) How low can you go ? The distance from the ferrule until __________ ? Reason is, I've played w/ a friend's McDermot, w/ a shaft kinda like that, and definitely loved it, I just couldn't miss a shot, the damm thing looked fragile, comparing to regular ones ! Just affraid of geting mad at it, trow it hard, and having the whole thing come back,and hit-me in this Brazilian head !!!........( BOOMERANGS ? anyone ??? )

Let's start over & see if I can be of any help. I have a large group of players that have come to me, to have their shafts cut down to smaller sizes. Some are as small as 9mm & most are under 12mm(these are pool players, not snooker players). Even though the tip measures 9mm & it feels thin for many inches, that doesn't mean that it is a straight taper. When someone askes that I make the shaft smaller, I ask them why. Is it because you have small hands & it would feel more comfortable? Is it because you think you can get more draw, on the Qball? A straight taper of 9mm for 12 inches will have no strength & will either break or warp. But if you taper it, so that the tip is 9mm & it gets progressivly bigger. it will have much more strength & stiffness , yet still feel very thin. As far as a thinner handle goes, I don't think there is a limit. As long as you don't lean on the Q, when you follow through it probably won't break. Remember that it is only a long thin piece of wood & it seems to me that the smaller that piece is in diameter that more fragil it is & the more likely it is to warp. I personally have made Qs with a butt cap diameter of 1.210" - 1.300". For the last 10 years my butt cap size has been 1.275. I hope this helps & I'm truely sorry if I offended you. These are just my opinions ..JER

 

[Purdman]

I'm thinking you're referring to the other thread(?) Sounds to me like you stuck out a helping hand and are about to get it smacked. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Believe me my friend, the checks and balances are in place as we speak.
I would like to see Rick get what he is looking for. A thick butt, 13 mm shafts are not it. Now we have a better idea of what he is looking for.
You don't have to worry about whats left of my hand.
Purdman

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

Believe me my friend, the checks and balances are in place as we speak.
I would like to see Rick get what he is looking for. A thick butt, 13 mm shafts are not it. Now we have a better idea of what he is looking for.
You don't have to worry about whats left of my hand.
Purdman

I understand completely! Hopefully he'll get not only what he's looking for but what he deserves as well Way too many people in this world less fortunate than we.

I'd type more but one of my hands got smacked recently

 

[Purdman]

I understand completely! Hopefully he'll get not only what he's looking for but what he deserves as well Way too many people in this world less fortunate than we.

I'd type more but one of my hands got smacked recently

I know what you mean. I come here to work everyday. 40 hrs a week just like everybody else. I earn my money the hard way. Been doing it since I was 11. Karma rules and I am sure he will get exactly what he deserves.
Don't forget, Varney has the cue now. He is also watching out for my best interest.
Purdman

 

[RickBrazil]

Let's start over & see if I can be of any help. I have a large group of players that have come to me, to have their shafts cut down to smaller sizes. Some are as small as 9mm & most are under 12mm(these are pool players, not snooker players). Even though the tip measures 9mm & it feels thin for many inches, that doesn't mean that it is a straight taper. When someone askes that I make the shaft smaller, I ask them why. Is it because you have small hands & it would feel more comfortable? Is it because you think you can get more draw, on the Qball? A straight taper of 9mm for 12 inches will have no strength & will either break or warp. But if you taper it, so that the tip is 9mm & it gets progressivly bigger. it will have much more strength & stiffness , yet still feel very thin. As far as a thinner handle goes, I don't think there is a limit. As long as you don't lean on the Q, when you follow through it probably won't break. Remember that it is only a long thin piece of wood & it seems to me that the smaller that piece is in diameter that more fragil it is & the more likely it is to warp. I personally have made Qs with a butt cap diameter of 1.210" - 1.300". For the last 10 years my butt cap size has been 1.275.
I hope this helps & I'm truely sorry if I offended you. These are just my opinions ..JER[/QUOTE]


I'd appologize Sir., It was no offensive whatsoever! Actually at that time in the morning I was laughing and even beeing a little sarcastic.

AMAZING how,sometimes, whe we type, we can't always express what we are thinking exactly; and for that im sorry...

Your explanation now went above and beyond, i appreciate !!!
Anyway,I was just trying to raise a topic, i am in no condition to place orders or make purchases !!!

Actually i'm at mercy of others, in order to be able to have a personall cue again, and for that I am gratefull...

And i'd like to also apologize for all the others that are looking up for me, in no way or form I'm trying to get what I want!!!

I believe my answer to Mr Blackheart came out wrong, and in the future i'll be sure to be more carefull and especific !!!
My appologies,Rick...

 

[metal5d]

Judging from this post Rick, you don't need a one of a kind Richard Black cue that has a fat butt and two 13mm shafts. You pick out your Vipor cue and we will see what we can do.
There are slimmer handled cues out there. The 11 mm shaft ain't gonna do anything but warp on ya. Viper may be the way to go until you make your adjustments. Let me know which viper you happen to like.
Purdman
Trying to do the right thing!!
I would also like to hear what some of the other AZ'ers think about this situation. Thanks!

I have lots of wood left over from building my basement. I could make him a nice wood boomerang that he can throw against any wall he chooses. I am sure there are plenty people who might be better suited for a Richard Black Cue. Maybe I could donate a nice custom to my disabled brother instead of the Joss I am planning on giving him.

 

[RickBrazil]

I have lots of wood left over from building my basement. I could make him a nice wood boomerang that he can throw against any wall he chooses. I am sure there are plenty people who might be better suited for a Richard Black Cue. Maybe I could donate a nice custom to my disabled brother instead of the Joss I am planning on giving him.

Wow, nice; im sorry but can I ask you something ?!?!?!?!?
How many cues have you ever donated ???
Me myself, have done it twice, one of'em even had a case, sure there is no comparisson "moneywyse" considering what Mr. Purdman had decided for me, but then again, it's not only the brand that matters, it's the ACT; Don's pick came fron the heart and that is what matters !!! I have been spokeing w/ Don, and tryied to clarify the situation; and very wisely, he explained me some important things, and the pros/cons of posting here !!!
But Thanks anyway for the bash on the head !! I guess I do deserve it...

 

[metal5d]

Wow, nice; im sorry but can I ask you something ?!?!?!?!?
How many cues have you ever donated ???
Me myself, have done it twice, one of'em even had a case, sure there is no comparisson "moneywyse" considering what Mr. Purdman had decided for me, but then again, it's not only the brand that matters, it's the ACT; Don's pick came fron the heart and that is what matters !!! I have been spokeing w/ Don, and tryied to clarify the situation; and very wisely, he explained me some important things, and the pros/cons of posting here !!!
But Thanks anyway for the bash on the head !! I guess I do deserve it...

I have donated a couple cues to needy players. One guy on my league team was shooting with an aluminum cue that had the ferrule taped on with electrical tape (maybe the ultimate hustler cue). I don't know why he didn't just shoot with a house cue. I gave him a sneaky pete that I was not using anymore. Needless to say he was very happy and has never thrown the cue against any walls.

Rick I think you might just be a very dramatic person. In the future just be careful how you say things in posts because it can be easy for people to interpret things the wrong way. And remember spell check is your friend..........

 

[Purdman]

Rick, everything is fine. Kevin is getting your Black ready for you. One thing you always have to remember, You Don't Get Hit By The Tomatoes Until You Stand Up!!!! LOL, lesson learned. Sorry I wasn't home to answer the phone last night.
Peace, Purdman