What? K55 is the profile, not the type of rubber.
http://www.lakesidebilliardsupply.com/pool-table-rubber-cushion-profile-types.html
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What? K55 is the profile, not the type of rubber.
http://www.lakesidebilliardsupply.com/pool-table-rubber-cushion-profile-types.html
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Erm. Yes and no?
"The K-55 cushion has the same general profile shape of the K-66 cushions but is larger in size."
Which part of my statement is incorrect? K66 is not the type of rubber. There are MANY different manufacturers of K66 profile cushions, and many different varieties of rubber. K66 is NOT the type of rubber, it is the profile. The profile is the general shape, size, angles etc that describe the rails dimensions. It is not the type of rubber used in the rails.
The cushion profile is the shape of the rubber regardless of the angle you mount it at. The sub rail angle does not change the profile of the cushion. The sub rail angle will change the profile of the rail but the cushion profile stays the same. If this were not the case when you ordered K55 cushions the supplier would also need to know your sub rail angle to get the "profile" of your K55s correct.
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I was talking about the profile and the differences between the 55 and 66. The link states that they're pretty much the same, just a different size. I never said anything about the type of rubber.
All I know is that around here, just about every Diamond plays the same, as long as they're not all beat to hell and even then they're still about the same except for damaged cloth/slate.
They bank shorter than an average Valley or GC, but they put them to shame in the consistency department.
The best part about rails shortening the angle is that they're already doing half the work for you and you can concentrate more on the hit. I have a problem getting a couple of favorite shots down on them, but damn if they aren't easier on just about every other bank.
Red labels bank shorter than blue label Diamonds.
I would also say the red label Diamonds bank shorter than Valleys and Gold Crowns. I just noticed that the banks I shot on Diamonds seemed kittywhumpas until I got used to them. Until last fall I had only played on red label Diamonds, then my home league bar got a brand spanking new blue label Diamond, it played quite a bit different then the reds I was used to, ie: not as kittywhumpas.
Yeah I know. I just posted that K55/K66 is referring to the profile, not the rubber, in response to someone else. And you quoted me and said "yes and no", inferring that something I said was incorrect. Which made me think I was missing something.
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Ah, just a misunderstanding then. I thought you had said the k55 was the profile, meaning that it was different from the 66. Ok, back to threads about tips and the latest fix-all. :thumbup:
So, does all y'all are saying only count for the pro-am/barbox diamonds?
I have an old diamond pro, and one of the best mechanics put artemis K66 on it, saying banking short wasn't a problem with the pro tables. This is sort of reinforced by the fact that it used K66 not K55...
I have an old diamond pro, and one of the best mechanics put artemis K66 on it, saying banking short wasn't a problem with the pro tables. This is sort of reinforced by the fact that it used K66 not K55...
From Lakeside Billiards website.
How do I choose the correct*pool table rail cushion*is a question we get asked all the time. You must first*determine the size of your pool table.*Once you know your pool table size, you can determine the profile shape of your rubber cushions. The industry standard and BCA approved cushion is a full profile K-66 cushion. K-66 refers to the shape of the cushion. Full profile means that it is a full size cushion. K66 rail cushions are the most common rail cushions used today. It is the standard rail cushion we send out in all of our*complete pool table refelting kits.*The K-55 profile rail cushion is used mostly in commerical coin operated pool tables, although most of the rubber cushion profile shapes have been used on commercial pool tables at one time or another. The K-55 cushion has the same general profile shape of the K-66 cushions but is larger in size. The U-23 profile cushions are not as widely used and are a smaller profile than the K-66 cushion and were used on some lower priced pool tables.
When choosing a pool table rubber cushion you want to make sure it is made out of pure gum rubber and has canvas cloth reinforcement on both the top and back sides of the cushion. The canvas on the top of the cushion helps maintain its shape and controls the action of the rubber for more accurate and consistent play. The canvas on the back side of the rubber helps maintain shape and allows the rubber cushion to bond tightly to the wood rail ensuring that it will not separate and come loose.Making sure you have the correct rail rubber cushion profile ensures that the cushion height or the rail strike point is in the proper position in relation to the ball. The rail height or strike point should be 63 1/2% of the ball diameter. (ex. standard pool ball is 2 1/4" in diameter, rail height should be .635 x 2.25 or 1.43" in height.)Compare the profile of your rail cushions to those below to determine the rubber cushion profile type that you have. Contact us at 985-845-7146 with any other questions you may have regarding your pool table recovering job. We will be happy to help you.*K66 Profile cushions have a dimensional height of 1 3/16" and a top angle width of 1 1/8" or slightly overK55 profile cushions have a dimensional height of 1 5/16" and a top angle width of 1 1/4" or slightly overU23 profile cushions have a dimensional height of 1 1/8" and a top angle width of 1" or slightly overCentennial or Century profile cushions have a dimensional height of about 1 1/4" and a top angle width of about 3/4"
How do I choose the correct*pool table rail cushion*is a question we get asked all the time. You must first*determine the size of your pool table.*Once you know your pool table size, you can determine the profile shape of your rubber cushions. The industry standard and BCA approved cushion is a full profile K-66 cushion. K-66 refers to the shape of the cushion. Full profile means that it is a full size cushion. K66 rail cushions are the most common rail cushions used today. It is the standard rail cushion we send out in all of our*complete pool table refelting kits.*The K-55 profile rail cushion is used mostly in commerical coin operated pool tables, although most of the rubber cushion profile shapes have been used on commercial pool tables at one time or another. The K-55 cushion has the same general profile shape of the K-66 cushions but is larger in size. The U-23 profile cushions are not as widely used and are a smaller profile than the K-66 cushion and were used on some lower priced pool tables.
When choosing a pool table rubber cushion you want to make sure it is made out of pure gum rubber and has canvas cloth reinforcement on both the top and back sides of the cushion. The canvas on the top of the cushion helps maintain its shape and controls the action of the rubber for more accurate and consistent play. The canvas on the back side of the rubber helps maintain shape and allows the rubber cushion to bond tightly to the wood rail ensuring that it will not separate and come loose.Making sure you have the correct rail rubber cushion profile ensures that the cushion height or the rail strike point is in the proper position in relation to the ball. The rail height or strike point should be 63 1/2% of the ball diameter. (ex. standard pool ball is 2 1/4" in diameter, rail height should be .635 x 2.25 or 1.43" in height.)Compare the profile of your rail cushions to those below to determine the rubber cushion profile type that you have. Contact us at 985-845-7146 with any other questions you may have regarding your pool table recovering job. We will be happy to help you.*K66 Profile cushions have a dimensional height of 1 3/16" and a top angle width of 1 1/8" or slightly overK55 profile cushions have a dimensional height of 1 5/16" and a top angle width of 1 1/4" or slightly overU23 profile cushions have a dimensional height of 1 1/8" and a top angle width of 1" or slightly overCentennial or Century profile cushions have a dimensional height of about 1 1/4" and a top angle width of about 3/4"
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I might get trounced on for saying this, but I still think the k55s thicker profile allows for more compression. This brings your banks shorter.
On this forum you will get trounced for sayin' water is wet:thumbup:
Further adding to the complications is that all cushions labeled "k55 profile" are not all exactly the same cross sectional shape, or material. So the ball reacts differently on each.
Even within the Diamond company, they use a different "k55" cushion on the blue label bar boxes compared to the "k55 cushions" on the blue label 9 footers. You can easily see this difference if you have the tables side by side. The 9' cushions have a much more pronounced radius where the ball strikes the cushion than the 7' cushions.
Even within the Diamond company, they use a different "k55" cushion on the blue label bar boxes compared to the "k55 cushions" on the blue label 9 footers. You can easily see this difference if you have the tables side by side. The 9' cushions have a much more pronounced radius where the ball strikes the cushion than the 7' cushions.
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