Anybody else heard this? Diamond's going to make some billiard tables and see what the response is?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=141795
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=141795
Diamond Carom Tables
- Thread starter eze123
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eze123,
Thanks for the link, I had missed that thread.
However, 9ft, 860, no heat?!? Probably K55 rubber. Remember Gandy's foray into carom tables? Bleah!
Mark
Unless there is a lot bigger market for Diamonds in latino and asian billiard rooms than I know of, I don't see much of a market for 9 ft carom tables.
Most of the players I know would only want to play on a 10 ft table. If Diamond can somehow find a way to build a 10 footer and market it to replace the old Brunswicks in many rooms, maybe it would fly. Include it in a deal with other pool tables for new room owners I guess might also work.
Otherwise, Chevillotte, Verhoeven, Gabriels, and Roberto Rojas' tables (Elite) are already out there with good reputations. The only advantage to having a Diamond would be saving on shipping from out of the country and easier set up and maintenance.
I'd LOVE to play on one however so if they build it, I will definately try it out.
Most of the players I know would only want to play on a 10 ft table. If Diamond can somehow find a way to build a 10 footer and market it to replace the old Brunswicks in many rooms, maybe it would fly. Include it in a deal with other pool tables for new room owners I guess might also work.
Otherwise, Chevillotte, Verhoeven, Gabriels, and Roberto Rojas' tables (Elite) are already out there with good reputations. The only advantage to having a Diamond would be saving on shipping from out of the country and easier set up and maintenance.
I'd LOVE to play on one however so if they build it, I will definately try it out.
Seeing as Diamond Billiard Products already imports Gabriels to the United States, why would they get into the business? Just re-engineering the chassis to accept a thicker, larger slate might be cost prohibitive. What might it offer in competition to the established tables? Greg is a pretty smart business guy.
Lyn
Lyn
Maybe this is the kick start we need to increase the popularity of three cushion in this country.
I am ready for it too, slickfishy!
The only kick start necessary is to have the dominent sanctioning bodies all ban the jump stick. Having the new generations of pool players learn how to play three cushion is what we need.
Lyn
Shhhh. We can't have the masses learn to kick with intent to do more than make contact...!
:grin:
I have seen rooms full of junk 9ft billiard tables, and I mean JUNK! From the stand point of 8 & 9ft carom tables, these kind of players mostly play straight rail billiards & 4 ball billiards. Replacing these kind of tables with a 9ft ProAm Carom table with a one piece slate that can be rolled in, setup in less than the time it takes to take one of the JUNK tables apart, would give Diamond a totally untapped market to go after. I mean think about it, how many room owners are willing to trade in their Gabriel's vs how many room owners are there with JUNK 9ft carom tables???? Players that play 3 cushion on a 10 table are not the same players that play straight rail billiards on a 9ft, even an 8ft...yes, I said 8fts as well. The problem with this industry is that no one, and I mean NO ONE has ever built a quality 9ft billiards table worth a damn! Ever been in an Asian billiards room...and seen the rails burnt all to hell from all the cigarettes laid on the rails? Diamond wood rails on the Carom 9ft ProAm tables would never show the burns...and from that stand point alone it makes sense!!! Then, look at the slates, most of them have the seams showing through the cloth, can't happen with a one piece slate!!!
We're NOT talking about 3 cushion billiards here guys, we're talking about helping to straighten out an industry that has been so over looked and pissed on for a very long time....I don't even know how these guys play on some of these tables they have I swear!!!
So, from a business sense, it makes all the sense in the world to go after a market that NO ONE else even cares about, let alone is trying to do something about!
The Diamond 9ft ProAm pocket table is the most PERFECT commercial table out here today, so why not make it the most PERFECT 9ft/8ft Carom table as well
After all, how many of you carom players have played on a 9ft Gabriel's billiards table???
Glen
We're NOT talking about 3 cushion billiards here guys, we're talking about helping to straighten out an industry that has been so over looked and pissed on for a very long time....I don't even know how these guys play on some of these tables they have I swear!!!
So, from a business sense, it makes all the sense in the world to go after a market that NO ONE else even cares about, let alone is trying to do something about!
The Diamond 9ft ProAm pocket table is the most PERFECT commercial table out here today, so why not make it the most PERFECT 9ft/8ft Carom table as well
After all, how many of you carom players have played on a 9ft Gabriel's billiards table???
Glen
Glen,
I guess my vision has become so myopic I failed to see the value of engineering a 4.5 x 9 carom table. You are absolutely correct. There are more straight rail than three cushion players. Thanks for the insightful post!
There is a Korean billiard room next door to the Rum Runner Trop in Vegas. I stopped in once. Your assesment of the table conditions in that type of room was spot on.
Lyn
I guess my vision has become so myopic I failed to see the value of engineering a 4.5 x 9 carom table. You are absolutely correct. There are more straight rail than three cushion players. Thanks for the insightful post!
There is a Korean billiard room next door to the Rum Runner Trop in Vegas. I stopped in once. Your assesment of the table conditions in that type of room was spot on.
Lyn
After all, how many of you carom players have played on a 9ft Gabriel's billiards table???
Glen
Personally, I wasn't talking it down in any way, I was just curious what they were after, and I guessed it. Makes sense, they can target a growing niche market without having to make huge changes to their production line, same thing basically, just don't cut out the pockets. If it doesn't work, they stop, if it does, they have a new business line. I'm all for anything that gets carom billiards going. Give a bunch of Korean, Latin American players that miss the game a place to play and quality tables, and next thing they'll want a 10 foot to play 3-cushion on. I hope it works. I'd love to see a big straight rail tourney in this country, first place will be Queens, I'm calling it. When Diamond makes a full heated billiard table, I'm buying the first one.
Hell, I'll play 4 ball, straight rail, whatever, anything but f*in 9 ball. Enough with the F*n 9 ball already.
I thought in Europe for the big tournaments of free, Kader, and cushion billards they all use 300 rapid?
I have been to Vietnamese billard halls and usually end up playing straight rail on the three cushion tables cause the smaller tables cloth feels like I am slugging on a rug. I hope they allow folks the option of putting 300 rapid cloth for the 9 footers.
Will the rails fittings (not sure of the correct word) be compatible for use of Euro rubber?
Dean
I have been to Vietnamese billard halls and usually end up playing straight rail on the three cushion tables cause the smaller tables cloth feels like I am slugging on a rug. I hope they allow folks the option of putting 300 rapid cloth for the 9 footers.
Will the rails fittings (not sure of the correct word) be compatible for use of Euro rubber?
Dean
Guy's,
I spoke with one of the Diamond guys this past week in Vegas. The 4.5 x 9 Carom table is a go! There is also talk of a 5 x 10 in both Carom and Pocket versions. Be still my heart!
Lyn
I spoke with one of the Diamond guys this past week in Vegas. The 4.5 x 9 Carom table is a go! There is also talk of a 5 x 10 in both Carom and Pocket versions. Be still my heart!
Lyn
If the ten footer gets made, somebody please PM me if they can remember or this thread pops up again.
The local hall has a new owner who likes billiards (3-C AND straight rail) and would love to be one of the trial rooms or even find a way to finance a table.
He already has a couple Diamond bar tables. Currently he is renting a Brunswick carom table that has issues but still gets played at least 5 hours a day.
The only concern about a Diamond billiard table I have is billiard players are very sensitive (i.e. whiny) about tables that play short or don't match their diamond systems. People love diamond tables, but seem to think the angles off the rails are very different than Brunswicks.
It may be a good idea to get a quality player to try one out and give suggestions before full production. Pedro Pedrobuena (sp?) runs College Billiards in San Diego and is a former US 3-C champion so he'd be a great pick.
If Diamond decided to hold an event to showcase their table, guys like Bob Jewett who supports 3-C in a big way, might be inclined to help out.
The local hall has a new owner who likes billiards (3-C AND straight rail) and would love to be one of the trial rooms or even find a way to finance a table.
He already has a couple Diamond bar tables. Currently he is renting a Brunswick carom table that has issues but still gets played at least 5 hours a day.
The only concern about a Diamond billiard table I have is billiard players are very sensitive (i.e. whiny) about tables that play short or don't match their diamond systems. People love diamond tables, but seem to think the angles off the rails are very different than Brunswicks.
It may be a good idea to get a quality player to try one out and give suggestions before full production. Pedro Pedrobuena (sp?) runs College Billiards in San Diego and is a former US 3-C champion so he'd be a great pick.
If Diamond decided to hold an event to showcase their table, guys like Bob Jewett who supports 3-C in a big way, might be inclined to help out.
hmmmmm.... who was the BIG mouth you talked to?
Glen
It seems to be a very well known fact around the business. I don't think this is a secret any more. Greg is motivated to grow his business in a slow economy. No finger pointing here.
Lyn
I think it would be a great accomplishment for Diamond. If they could produce a quality billiard table at less cost to compete with the foreign table manufacturers, it could only help American participation in the game.
Doc
Doc
Curious
Will the 9 ft. Diamond carom tables have rails that are the European profile? Lets say I buy a 9ft. Diamond carom table when the rails get old can I buy the Euro rail profile rails
? Will they let us order a table with a Simonis 300 rapide option?
Will the 9 ft. Diamond carom tables have rails that are the European profile? Lets say I buy a 9ft. Diamond carom table when the rails get old can I buy the Euro rail profile rails
? Will they let us order a table with a Simonis 300 rapide option?