Diamond Home Style Tables?
- Thread starter Da Bank
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Here's a link to Diamond Billiard Products. Hope this helps ya. :thumbup:
http://www.diamondbilliards.com/
http://www.diamondbilliards.com/
lol.
I know the site.
I'm looking to find out information on the quality of play on a home diamond versus one of the commercial setups like the Pro or Pro Am. I'm well aware of what is available.
Their home tables have a lower price, so I wanted to know why I haven't heard of any serious players opting for these tables for their own home.
By god, I believe that you've answered your own question.
The question is WHY... I have not heard the answer to that. I'm not trying to be confrontational here, so I'm not sure why you are.
I know a general concern about pro commercial style tables is that the top rail is wider for better options on holding your bridge, etc.
I haven't played on one but I'd say that these tables likely use the same slate as the commercial models, the designs (styles and probably frame) are pretty much industry standard types, if the slates are the same as the commercial then the rails should bolt down with the same number of bolts also. They show all the wood,dymondwood, stain options as the commercial tables and three of the furniture styles have the hidden leg leveling system used on the commercial models. So I'd say as inexpensive home tables go they're probably a bargain. Maybe you could PM Real King Cobra or Greg/Diamond for specifics.
I was being facetious... it was intended to be funny. Sorry that it wasn't.
My thots... serious players want top of the line equipment... Gold Crowns and Diamond Pro Ams and Pros... and they will pay for it.
Are the lesser models acceptable?... I'm sure that they are, but serious players want the best and are likely to wait until they have the money to get what they really want... that's all.
Speaking personally, I bought a 9" Pro Am and wouldn't have anything less.
Good luck in your decision. :thumbup:
i'm sorry about misinterpreting your comments.
I agree with what you are saying, but I am looking to find out the reasons WHY the home style tables like the Oppenheimer or Arkansas are not considered "the best". What are the specific features of a Pro or Pro-Am that are going to make them superior to their home style tables... or is it mainly a familiarity thing that causes it?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Ahhh......... ok the reason is 1) they don't "compete" on furniture tables (familiarity), 2) the leather pocket irons are a bit harder to shoot over from the corner, 3) the rails are generally narrower than commercial and nearly always flat, 4) many furniture rails sit higher than the commercial, 5) the frames usually are not as robust and therefore sitting on the rail for a shot could cause problems also narrow rails are harder to sit on, 6) usually the pockets are cut fairly loose. :smile:
Tap tap tap... good answer!
"Home style"
Da Bank:
Don't mean to hijack your thread, but when I read the Title to it, for some reason cornbread and apple pie popped into my head. "Home style" -- does Diamond actually use this phrase in their table model names?
Anyway, I heartily agree with the point that the pros would want to practice on something that either is, or is as close to, the same equipment they compete on. Sometimes something as seemingly trivial as the rail top surfaces (and angle of same) make a big difference in the "familiarity factor" when you're under pressure in a big match. One would want all their concentration devoted to the shot, and not have any brain CPU cycles leaked away to the subconscious/conscious thought, "Ooo! What's that different feeling under my bridge hand? This is new..." The same reason why one would want to use the same cues to practice with, as they compete with.
One pro told me that he'd rather have no table at all, and hold out until he can get the same type of table used on the tour, rather than buy something that, yes, does give him practice, but also gives him "habits" about the table that he has to re-learn on the fly when competing on a different make/model of table. He's got a point -- the human body does get into "habits" when repeating a certain activity, and ingrains these habits to conform to the equipment at hand. My natural response was, "but wait -- if you do get a Diamond Pro-Am, and the tourney you're about to compete in has Brunswick Gold Crowns, what do you do now?" He just shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, at least I practiced on one of the two/three most common tables, and not some table that I will NEVER see on the tour or the road..."
Methinks he's got a point.
Hope this helps!
-Sean
Da Bank:
Don't mean to hijack your thread, but when I read the Title to it, for some reason cornbread and apple pie popped into my head. "Home style" -- does Diamond actually use this phrase in their table model names?
Anyway, I heartily agree with the point that the pros would want to practice on something that either is, or is as close to, the same equipment they compete on. Sometimes something as seemingly trivial as the rail top surfaces (and angle of same) make a big difference in the "familiarity factor" when you're under pressure in a big match. One would want all their concentration devoted to the shot, and not have any brain CPU cycles leaked away to the subconscious/conscious thought, "Ooo! What's that different feeling under my bridge hand? This is new..." The same reason why one would want to use the same cues to practice with, as they compete with.
One pro told me that he'd rather have no table at all, and hold out until he can get the same type of table used on the tour, rather than buy something that, yes, does give him practice, but also gives him "habits" about the table that he has to re-learn on the fly when competing on a different make/model of table. He's got a point -- the human body does get into "habits" when repeating a certain activity, and ingrains these habits to conform to the equipment at hand. My natural response was, "but wait -- if you do get a Diamond Pro-Am, and the tourney you're about to compete in has Brunswick Gold Crowns, what do you do now?" He just shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, at least I practiced on one of the two/three most common tables, and not some table that I will NEVER see on the tour or the road..."
Methinks he's got a point.
Hope this helps!
-Sean
I have had a 'home' Diamond table in my barn for about 2-3 years now. So, it got a lot of heat and a lot of cold. Recently I have built a room around the table and have insulated it. I had the pockets set to 4 and 1/4".
The table plays GREAT, just like it did when I first got it. I got the oak model. Sturdy as oak too
. Built like a brick sh!t house. Solid as a rock. The table sits on a wooden floor and I haven't had to level it again.GREAT GREAT GREAT. You can't go wrong.