Diamond Pro Vs Pro am

gtaylor

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Hey guys just curious about the difference between the Diamond Pro and Pro Ams other than the ball return and the fact that the pro am has a 1 piece slate. Looking for answers on 1 piece slates in the Pro...is it possible

are the slates shimmed on the pro if you must use 3 piece slates.

any truth that gabriels were started by a former Diamond employee and started a company in Europe with a few tweeks like the steel supports and k66 instead of k55 rails?


thanks

Greg
 
I would prefer 1 piece slate on any table I own.

As long as you have room to get it in the house and don't have to go upstairs or downstairs with it, 1 piece is ideal...
 
I didn't know this, but I've read that the slate is 1.25" thick on both the Pro-Am and the Professional for the 9-foot versions.

http://diamondbilliardproducts.com/table_sizes.htm

The Pro-AM has been designed as a tournament table. It comes in a few major components. The feet, frame, slate and rails. They aren't all little pieces but rather large assemblies that are heavy-duty and ready to go. So the table is difficult to move and handle. One piece slate is VERY heavy. But it makes for quick set up for tournaments and is probably more impervious to being loaded/unloaded on trucks, being stacked up etc...which could induce warpage or knock something out of line on a different style of table. Harder to move, but easier to set up. On my GG III, there are a lot of bolts and screws...

With the 3-piece slate, unless the frame is 100% perfectly planed (none are) then yes, there would probably need to be some shimming. I'm sure it wouldn't be much shimming. These high end quality tables will not need much to get them perfect.

I've heard that one piece slate is not all that its cracked up to be. It can have more variation for levelness across the entire surface than a 3-piece slate system. I don't know if this is entirely true, but I guess it would have to do with the fact that handling smaller pieces is inherently easier. I'd call and ask Diamond and ask them to what TOLERNANCE they hold their one piece slates. Brunswick makes it known that their slate is within a certain amount of thousanths guaranteed. This is critical. If they hold it to the same standard as the Professional - then I don't see any significant advantage to the Professional as far as playability is concerned.

There should also be more flex in a 1-piece slate (yep, slate actually has a little flex in it)..the longer the piece, the less rigid it can be, but that also depends on how sturdy and robust the slate support is. Good support should make this a non-issue. Also, Diamond is using 1.25" slate on the 9ft tables, so this should dramatically increase the stoutness of the slate.

The nice part is, once you handle the heavy slate and get it on the table, leveling should be fast - because you're only leveling one piece, whereas with a 3-piece slate, you've got to start with the middle piece and then the end pieces and not only level all of them, but make sure they are all flush to one another. More time consuming not to mention you need to fill the seams and that brings up issues depending on what you want. Bondo is best because it won't move, but is hard to remove in future, wax is no good if there is going to be a little bit of tempature variation in the room - the wax will expand and you will get a speed bump on your table...so then you'll be sitting there with an iron trying to work it back down...the best I think is the stuff used to fill cracks in drywall. It is strong enough to not crack or move, but it is easy to remove when the slate is apart. Used it twice and had zero problems. This is even with me doing crazy jump shots and masse shots right on top of the seam. (my cloth is meant to be played on, not preserved :D )


I'm not a fan of ball-return at all, but the Pro-AM has a pretty nice ball return system. It is pretty quiet and pretty reliable, although one I've played on at a local pool hall does get a stuck ball from time to time. Not a biggie, to clear it, you throw balls down each pocket and it unjams it. I'd opt for the drop-pocket Pro-AM which I believe is an option. I love the leather drop pockets. I love how Diamond has leather drop pockets, but unlike home-style tables, they conceal them.


I wouldn't feel that I sacrificed quality with the Pro-AM. It is a really nice table and the rails are great and their pockets are Diamond's best. I'd take a Pro-AM over a Brunswick Metro anyday - I believe the Metro is Brunswicks answer to the Pro-AM.
 
I just wrestled with this very question this week and I bought the diamond pro. Had a lengthy discussion with the Diamond rep on this.

A few reasons and these are just my preference. I was told by Diamond that they play almost exactly the same. They cost exactly the same too.

The big turn off for me with the Pro-Am is mostly aestetics(sp?). It looks like a 9ft bar table and I wanted something that looked good and played tight.

Another reason is the 9ft one piece slate , I have been told it is more difficult to iron out any funny rolls on the table with a one piece than a 3 piece.

However I do like the ball return of the pro-am.

In the end tho the ball return was not enough for me to get the pro-am.

The pro-am is really as mentioned in another post is a table designed for traveling tournaments not really for home use. For home tables you should go with the pro. Playability on both tables is about the same , excellent.

HTH
SR
 
It's amazing how rumors start.......... Thierry Gabriel and his father came to my plant in the late 80's and ordered around 100 tables. I even went to his plant where they had been making billiard tables for years. They became my dealer in Europe!!! To the best of my knowledge this was their first intro to pocket billiards. ...... Added shipping expenses led to them going on their own producing a similar table, which my own ball return system would fit. ..... They continued and now produce a very fine table which we market in the US. ....... We did have problems especially when they attempted a cue ball separation method that I felt infringed on my patent. ......... All has been worked out as Thierry no longer is a owner of the company and Rudy (new owner) is very easy to work with as well as a very nice person.......................
Now the difference between the Diamond Pro and the Pro Am..........All aspects, rails, rubber, pocket openings, slate overall size and slate pocket depth are the same...... The main difference is looks and assembly. The costs of the two tables is basically the same....I however, definitely prefer 1 piece slate over 3.... Unless I had to set it up upstairs or in a basement.....Cutting the slate in 3 pieces doesn't make it play better or I'd cut mine in 4 pieces...........On the 3 piece slate I'm at the mercy often of mechanics, hoping they level the slates properly.... Even though they get the slates very level, ..they then put the cloth on and secure a heavy rail system and skirts, tightening them with rail bolts....This added weight and pressure of the bolts often changes the levelness ,,,, since we're dealing in thousandths and now there's no way to make Slate ajustments, only Leg ajustments ,,,, without completely taking the table apart cloth and all!!........I don't have this problem with the Pro Am!...First all it's preleveled at the plant. Also I have a new leveling system that allows me or anyone make 22 SLATE ajustments as well as 4 leg ajustments without taking any piece of the table apart........I'll be going to many of the IPT, US Open, DCC and other 9ft events. Please allow me to show you what I'm talking about.......I'd have to say the one piece slate levels easier and in the end is more level over all than any 3 piece table. Also you never get the white lines on the table where the seams have moved! ..........I know there are many very level 3 piece tables out there it's just that if you have a small problem it's often very hard to correct properly without major surgery........Greg/Diamond
 
Greg/Diamond said:
I however, definitely prefer 1 piece slate over 3.... Unless I had to set it up upstairs or in a basement.....

Greg/Diamond

Exactly my statement above.

Revisiting leveling the slate on a 3 peice table cause the house or foundation setteld is a chore. Then you get it perfect and tighten down the rail bolts and it moves a hair. Or some Nimrod sits on it or hits it hard and knocks it out....

Get the 1 piece slate and be done with it. Unless it's going in a basement like mine, or up a flight of stairs the 1 piece is the way to go...

On a side not, if I did buy a new table it would be a Diamond, I would still get a 1 piece to go in my basement as my stairs are large enough to manipulate it with a few people doing it...
 
ya the table may be going up or down a flight of stairs. I love both tables for the visual purity of the pro definately out weighs that of the Pro Am. Greg/Diamond you guys should make a dolled up 1 piece table :cool: :D
 
robertno1pool said:
Single Slate: What is the weight of the single slate, length, width, and thickness?
robertno1pool,

The weight of the 1 piece is approx. 680 lbs. It's really the same weight as 3 pieces of 1" slate. ....... Also the size is exactly the same as putting 3 pieces together, pocket cut and all............. I deceided a couple years ago after doing much testing to go with the 30 mm (approx. 1 1/4") instead of the normal 1", mostly due to the leveling of the table, because the extra thickness would keep the slate more ridgid and harder to flex.............. I tried thicker slates even 2" or better, but making the slates thicker than 30 mm caused the balls to bounce to much. The balls roll better, but extra thick slates allow the balls to become air born way to easily, especially on the break. ...... If you get a chance to play on a 2" slate bounce the ball, you can almost dripple it. ........... If the 2" slate would have tested better I would definitely be using it. The cost is not much more!......... As you may infer from my making a 1 piece slate it's not due to ease of setup with lighter slates, rather better play I'm after!.......Greg/Diamond
 
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If I could get the 1 piece in my house (and someone would trade me their Diamond for my GC:) ) I'd for sure go with that but at 9'+ and 680lbs I would think it would even be a heck of a chore to get in my walkout basement. I suppose there is some type of dolly that could scoot it around but once it's time to put on the frame I'm thinking you would need about 4 guys.
 
Greg/Diamond said:
As you may infer from my making a 1 piece slate it's not due to ease of setup with lighter slates, rather better play I'm after!.......Greg/Diamond


G/D,
Well, it's obvious - YOU'VE SUCCEEDED. Many thanks for your input, and for your contributions to the game.

P.S. - A noted pro once told me, "you might find a table that plays as well as the Diamond; but you won't find one that plays better."
 
CamposCues said:
If I could get the 1 piece in my house (and someone would trade me their Diamond for my GC:) ) I'd for sure go with that but at 9'+ and 680lbs I would think it would even be a heck of a chore to get in my walkout basement. I suppose there is some type of dolly that could scoot it around but once it's time to put on the frame I'm thinking you would need about 4 guys.

You really just need two guys who can easily deadlift about 450 lbs. If they can deadlift that much they should be able to easily manipulate 340 lbs each...lol. Back in the day I could do it but now adays I'm just a weak blob of adipose.
 
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zeeder said:
You really just need two guys who can easily deadlift about 450 lbs. If they can deadlift that much they should be able to easily manipulate 340 lbs each...lol. Back in the day I could do it but now adays I'm just a weak blob of adipose.

I could probably do it if worse came to worse but I have a hunch a blown testicle wouldn't help my game any...and frankly it's not very strong to begin with;)
 
CamposCues,

I probably won't be posting for a while as I'm flying to the IPT event in Vegas and won't have my laptop. ..... We're setting up 62 9ft. Pro Am's in one day! These tables although close to 1400 lbs cart and all are already leveled to the frame, only need leg ajustments and minor slate ajustments that can be done without taking the table apart. .... They were designed to be set up fast and easy............... The special cart allows the table to go thru a regular doorway with the legs off while on its side. We transport the table at many events up huge elevators and roll them into position and use 2 or 3 people to lower them into place, of course after the legs are bolted on......... If you don't have to go up or down steps set up is cake........It's nice the table is heavy enough so you don't waste you're time lifting! Use the right equipment......If you go to any IPT, DCC, US OPEN or event that uses Diamonds please take a look at the set up or tear down.....I think you'll be pleasently surprised.........Greg/Diamond
 
Greg/Diamond said:
...The special cart allows the table to go thru a regular doorway with the legs off while on its side. We transport the table at many events up huge elevators and roll them into position and use 2 or 3 people to lower them into place, of course after the legs are bolted on......... If you don't have to go up or down steps set up is cake...Greg/Diamond
There was a room owner near here who had some off brand bar tables that were designed to do this, and he took them to some tournaments for a while, but every time they were tipped up the slate slid down a little. The result was that one side of the table had very generous pockets and one side had very stingy pockets. I'm sure that the diamond tables don't do this, but I'm wondering how they (you) got around it. The slate is bolted down? and can the bolts be trusted with that kind or sheer stress, or is there some other modification to help hold the slate in place?
just curious
 
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Greg/Diamond said:
CamposCues,

I probably won't be posting for a while as I'm flying to the IPT event in Vegas and won't have my laptop. ..... We're setting up 62 9ft. Pro Am's in one day! These tables although close to 1400 lbs cart and all are already leveled to the frame, only need leg ajustments and minor slate ajustments that can be done without taking the table apart. .... They were designed to be set up fast and easy............... The special cart allows the table to go thru a regular doorway with the legs off while on its side. We transport the table at many events up huge elevators and roll them into position and use 2 or 3 people to lower them into place, of course after the legs are bolted on......... If you don't have to go up or down steps set up is cake........It's nice the table is heavy enough so you don't waste you're time lifting! Use the right equipment......If you go to any IPT, DCC, US OPEN or event that uses Diamonds please take a look at the set up or tear down.....I think you'll be pleasently surprised.........Greg/Diamond

I would love to see it. That's a lot of tables. I looked for a "used" Diamond Pro for quite some time because I only had a few thousand to spend but I ended up finding a GC 4 for $2K so I jumped on it. I still look out in the classifieds for a Diamond to pop up but being in Omaha, NE I have to go to DesMoines, IA to even play on one. Someone please remind me why I live here...oh yeah, my wife refuses to move.
 
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