Diamond Systems don't work on Diamond Tables

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Flip_dat_Quarta

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How many times have you taken the time to do the math for a 3 rail kick only to find out that you missed by a whole diamond because you were playing on a Diamond table? It's frustrating and makes you just want to go off feel next time. Is it really that hard to create an adjustment factor for diamonds??

With diamond tables being the preferred tables to play on it's kind of stupid to have all of the systems based off some other type of table with loose rails.

Someone needs to take all of the 2 and 3 railing kicking/banking systems and reconfigure them so that they actually work on diamond tables(tight rails).

Since two and three rail kicks don't come up that often it's hard enough to remember the system when you need to but it's even harder to try to figure out how much you should adjust from the system to account for the tight rails.

And yes, every table is going to play different based on various conditions but most diamond tables I've played on have been pretty consistent so I think they need their own baseline systems. If you need to adjust from there you can based on humidity or whatever.
 
New or Old?

Were these new or old diamonds?

Flip_dat_Quarta said:
How many times have you taken the time to do the math for a 3 rail kick only to find out that you missed by a whole diamond because you were playing on a Diamond table? It's frustrating and makes you just want to go off feel next time. Is it really that hard to create an adjustment factor for diamonds??

With diamond tables being the preferred tables to play on it's kind of stupid to have all of the systems based off some other type of table with loose rails.

Someone needs to take all of the 2 and 3 railing kicking/banking systems and reconfigure them so that they actually work on diamond tables(tight rails).

Since two and three rail kicks don't come up that often it's hard enough to remember the system when you need to but it's even harder to try to figure out how much you should adjust from the system to account for the tight rails.

And yes, every table is going to play different based on various conditions but most diamond tables I've played on have been pretty consistent so I think they need their own baseline systems. If you need to adjust from there you can based on humidity or whatever.
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Conditons and tables always change, that is why players are given time to warm up or practice on a table.

Systems are for base line, and like many theories they are not absolute. They are based on averages of trials or for perfect conditions.

A table that is "true" for a diamond system may still be off if your stroke, speed, and spin are off.

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Flip_dat_Quarta said:
How many times have you taken the time to do the math for a 3 rail kick only to find out that you missed by a whole diamond because you were playing on a Diamond table? It's frustrating and makes you just want to go off feel next time. Is it really that hard to create an adjustment factor for diamonds??

With diamond tables being the preferred tables to play on it's kind of stupid to have all of the systems based off some other type of table with loose rails.

Someone needs to take all of the 2 and 3 railing kicking/banking systems and reconfigure them so that they actually work on diamond tables(tight rails).

Since two and three rail kicks don't come up that often it's hard enough to remember the system when you need to but it's even harder to try to figure out how much you should adjust from the system to account for the tight rails.

And yes, every table is going to play different based on various conditions but most diamond tables I've played on have been pretty consistent so I think they need their own baseline systems. If you need to adjust from there you can based on humidity or whatever.
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You should rephrase, YOUR diamond systems don't work on Diamond tables. I'm sure there are plenty that play on Diamonds regularly that don't have a problem.

I'll say this, when I was learning the systems, Brunswick GC IIIs were the table of choice. Now it's the IV which is a much bouncier table. I've learned that diamond systems are merely reference points, not true rules of how balls rebound. Prior to playing on a new table, you should take the time to see how it varies from what you're used to but yes, as you continue playing, you develop a feel and that's probably more reliable than your math.
 
TheBook said:
Conditons and tables always change, that is why players are given time to warm up or practice on a table.

Systems are for base line, and like many theories they are not absolute. They are based on averages of trials or for perfect conditions.

A table that is "true" for a diamond system may still be off if your stroke, speed, and spin are off.

🎱
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Agree 100%. Johnnyt
 
Flip_dat_Quarta said:
How many times have you taken the time to do the math for a 3 rail kick only to find out that you missed by a whole diamond because you were playing on a Diamond table? It's frustrating and makes you just want to go off feel next time. Is it really that hard to create an adjustment factor for diamonds??

With diamond tables being the preferred tables to play on it's kind of stupid to have all of the systems based off some other type of table with loose rails.

Someone needs to take all of the 2 and 3 railing kicking/banking systems and reconfigure them so that they actually work on diamond tables(tight rails).

Since two and three rail kicks don't come up that often it's hard enough to remember the system when you need to but it's even harder to try to figure out how much you should adjust from the system to account for the tight rails.

And yes, every table is going to play different based on various conditions but most diamond tables I've played on have been pretty consistent so I think they need their own baseline systems. If you need to adjust from there you can based on humidity or whatever.
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Still waiting to find that pool table that plays....as good as you do?
 
realkingcobra said:
I wouldn't worry yourself over this conversation, as it's way over your head, as in way to complicated for you to comprehend.
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Nice TRY!!! That's the best you can do? It isnt even within forty miles of the truth. I'll back SS on a Mensa test vs you all day long. Im glad you explained what 'over your head' means for those others on the same level as you.
 
I would be curious what diamond system you are using. Diamond tables w/blue label rails play closer to the actual corner 5 diamond system that is used in 3-cushion, then most pool tables, which play shorter than that system's calculations.

Example: on a 3 rail kick, if you are using the system where when in the corner you hit through the 2nd diamond on the 1st rail to get to the opposite corner, on a billiard table you would be aiming at the 3rd diamond. So if you are going 1 diamond longer on a Diamond table, that is more true to the system.

If the above example is what you are talking about, you can get Bob Byrne's Standard Book of Pool and Billiards that covers several diamond systems that may work for you.
 
Over in the Snooker section, a pool player is asking how snooker players make such shots - on a table without diamonds. :D
 
1. No systems work.. This is a given but people want to argue systems
2. Systems are guidelines so you are at least close to the right spot when you start calculating in your head.
3. Perhaps you are playing on a jacked up Diamond or its really humid
4. My Pro Am plays perfect when the AC is on and short when its been raining or the door is open
5. EVERY table plays short when its been raining, or the door is open, or its humid.
6. Adjust once you know where the system puts you.. Pretty easy if you are an advanced player, but hard to comprehend if you are not.
7. Fixating on systems will not get you very far.. You need to move further.
 
Nostroke said:
Nice TRY!!! That's the best you can do? It isnt even within forty miles of the truth. I'll back SS on a Mensa test vs you all day long. Im glad you explained what 'over your head' means for those others on the same level as you.
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I comment to Superstar...and you comment to me in his place....see, I told you TROLLS have big noses...LMAO
 
Wybrook said:
1. No systems work.. This is a given but people want to argue systems
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I basically agree with everything you said, except this.
Simply because I watch lots of 3cushion billiards.

Some of the shots are pure math and nothing else.
Wouldn't be possible if the systems didn't work.
 
Wybrook said:
1. No systems work.. This is a given but people want to argue systems
2. Systems are guidelines so you are at least close to the right spot when you start calculating in your head.
3. Perhaps you are playing on a jacked up Diamond or its really humid
4. My Pro Am plays perfect when the AC is on and short when its been raining or the door is open
5. EVERY table plays short when its been raining, or the door is open, or its humid.
6. Adjust once you know where the system puts you.. Pretty easy if you are an advanced player, but hard to comprehend if you are not.
7. Fixating on systems will not get you very far.. You need to move further.
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To the OP...Flip

Print this post and stick it on your lightshade. ^^^^^^^

A diamond system is a 'rule of thumb'....don't let it be your master.
....otherwise, you'll be like the guy in the old blackjack joke who sent a telegram from Vegas...
"System working well, send money."
 
absolutely

Wybrook said:
1. No systems work.. This is a given but people want to argue systems
2. Systems are guidelines so you are at least close to the right spot when you start calculating in your head.
3. Perhaps you are playing on a jacked up Diamond or its really humid
4. My Pro Am plays perfect when the AC is on and short when its been raining or the door is open
5. EVERY table plays short when its been raining, or the door is open, or its humid.
6. Adjust once you know where the system puts you.. Pretty easy if you are an advanced player, but hard to comprehend if you are not.
7. Fixating on systems will not get you very far.. You need to move further.
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Absolutely right, Ive never had any real problems with a new diamond and a few minutes on any table will tell you a lot.
 
Does the diamond system work on ANY table? If we didn't have throw, skid, squirt, swerve and mathematically imperfect banks, pool would bore me to tears. It would be like playing golf with a ball that never sliced and perfectly flat greens. It's just a consistent reference point.
 
Nostroke said:
Nice TRY!!! That's the best you can do? It isnt even within forty miles of the truth. I'll back SS on a Mensa test vs you all day long. Im glad you explained what 'over your head' means for those others on the same level as you.
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Actually, I'm already in that society if I wanted.

Scored a 1390 on my SATs in high school back when it was out of 1600. 700 math/690 verbal.

You needed over a 1250 to qualify and submit your paperwork. They stopped allowing SAT scores in 1994, after the SAT test was dramatically changed that year, but if you took the test from the early 70's to '93 and qualified, you are good to go.

Lol. He's not going to out rocket science me anytime soon.
He might push caps lock more than me, and actually invest more time than I do, but we all know who would bust up who, if it came down to taking the pepsi challenge on who's grey matter has superior firepower.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program, "Diamonds are the greatest"
 
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