Diamond Systems don't work on Diamond Tables

greyghost said:
Worst knew the diamond system......whipped every champion living at Johnston city......obviously since he was Hoppes protege and multi time 3cushion world champ starting at like 21 or 22 i think.....held it for years and years..... ...
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R.A. Dyer wrote an interesting article on Worst for Billiards Digest. Here it is: http://www.billiardsdigest.com/untold_stories/worst.php

Although Worst was nominally professional world 3-C champion until his death in June, 1966 he only won the one championship in 1954 in Buenos Aires. The pro championship was not contested again during that period, but Raymond Ceulemans began his domination of 3 cushion with the UMB (amateur, at that time) championship in 1963.

There is also the small detail that according to reports, Hoppe did not use any diamond system. The diagrams and explanation in Hoppe's book were by the "coauthor/editor".

And for whatever it's worth, Ceulemans is on record saying that he won a couple of world championships without using any system.
 
greyghost said:
Worst knew the diamond system......whipped every champion living at Johnston city......obviously since he was Hoppes protege and multi time 3cushion world champ starting at like 21 or 22 i think.....held it for years and years.....ate all the pool players when he decided to try out that game, then died of cancer few years later.....

i know a player that teaches and uses it though....someone I'm sure you respect quite a bit and would be shocked if you didn't.

David Matlock....one of the best all around players no matter if the table has pockets or even if the pockets are cornered or round.

tho i do understand what you are probably really trying to say......its not dumb or silly to learn systems to get a decent base down, but over time you should develop your natural abilities....your ROTE system.....you just kind of come off cocky or rude or something, cant really put my finger on it.....and trust me John we all know (well i do at least) that you know wtf your talking about.....its just the communication of it that throws people at times.

I dont think anyone in their right mind is going to just do something because any champion "says" thats what they should do.....just because it worked for you and some others, doesn't mean that style works for everyone....and there have been plenty ofchamps that learned starting with systems.....long long time ago, knowledge was smiled upon not spit on like OH who needs that.....i'm not saying that at the end of the day in their careers they used those systems day in day out....just that they had that in their tool bag at a minimum.

You can argue what I'm saying all you like, and I'll just say this.....

Jeff Bagwell was a wonderful batter and home run hitter for the Houston Astros for years......he stepped backwards when he swung.......bet my life and my families he never has nor ever will teach someone to use a motion like that.....so just keep in mind that whats good for you isn't necessarily good for Tommy 5 speed in the league.

I sincerely hope this post doesn't strike you as rude or offensive, as that is not my goal, just want to find some common ground we can all stand on.

Now the 500million aiming systems are another story completely lol


regards,
Keebie
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Oh it's all good there keebie ghost man whoever you are...however I wouldn't bet that he really used them:p John B.
 
jalapus logan said:
Just wanted to chime in, my red label diamond plays great too! Yay! I didn't know that certain colors make certain players play bad??? New one on me! :rolleyes:
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Yes, your table does play real good!. Does it have them diamond things on it? I don't know if it did or not:o John B.
 
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