Have YOU ever played on a Diamond without a worsted woolen cloth installed on it?
"Diamondizing" a Gold Crown III.. In Germany
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Have YOU ever played on a Diamond without a worsted woolen cloth installed on it?
How does a Diamond bank with Championship Titan cloth installed on it.
On this forum, deflection is your modus operandi.
I have never seen a Diamond table that did not have Simonis cloth installed. But, that is not the point of the discussion.
I agree with your position, that worsted cloth has changed everything. However, we are talking about modern day. Worsted cloth has been around for a while.
I'm not deflecting, I'm simply asking if there could be other factors involved that change how a pool table plays, instead of just blaming the pool table brand as "It's all Diamonds fault". And yes, i have installed championship Titan cloth on a few Diamond 7ft bar tables, and YES it makes a world of difference in how the table plays!!
So am i guessing that you support installing the Artemis cushions with the hump side up....because it corrects the banking short complaints? Is that what you're saying?
I have not personally tried installing Artemis cushions with the radius on the top side, as the clients for whom I have installed them suggest that they want their table "to play like a Diamond". However, I do have a hypothesis that the radius facing up would likely remedy much of the "banking short" issue.
I'm also not disputing the claim that installing non-worsted cloth on a Diamond table would dramatically change the way that the table plays. That can be clearly seen on any table. Valley tables are probably the most common table around to have a variety of each type of cloth. There is quite a difference between a Valley with Simonis 860 and a Valley with Championship Mercury Ultra. That is something that I have seen quite a lot of, and have a very strong opinion on. In fact, I regularly suggest that worsted cloth should NEVER be installed on a Valley 7' (or smaller) table.
So then, you're not really sure if banking short on a Diamond is because of the cushions, or the cloth, right?
I can easily compare a factory Diamond table, with Simonis 860HR to a factory Gold Crown table with 860HR.
I really don't care what difference non-worsted cloth makes on a Diamond, considering that every Diamond that comes out of the factory has worsted cloth installed. The only one that cares about this silliness is you.
Diamond tables bank short. EVERYONE agrees. The discussion is not a matter of WHY they bank short. Not many people truly care why. However, it is a known fact that they bank short. Sure, the Blue Labels are much better than the Red Labels, but they still bank short.
Well, all i can say is the bank pool tournament at the DCC sure isn't lacking players, and the players that place in the money sure don't seem to have a problem banking balls on the 9ft Diamonds, so they sure do seem to play well for the regular people buying them, and playing on them. The squeaky wheel in this case don't seem to have much support!
NOT MY OPINION. Mark Gregory's.
Topic has been beat to near death.https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=379860&highlight=artemis
Maybe Mark is mislead too.
I've asked the question already, but I'll ask it again just for you Joey. If the cushions are mounted hump side up, do they still bank short Joey???
Come on Joey, answer the question, show everyone how smart you are. If the Artemis cushions are mounted hump side up on the Diamond 9fts, do they still bank short??????
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So if I am understanding this correctly, changing the cloth out will make the table bank and play more like a GC? That’s ironic. Diamond must have known that the tables would be offered with Simonis. I think we are finally starting to come to the conclusion that diamonds don’t play right.
The 3 pool halls I have frequented that have mixed tables (Stixx, California Billiards, forgot the name of the other) the Diamonds get very little play compared to the GC. If you go to Freezers and that’s all they have then that’s all you play.
It’s obvious they are designed as a one pocket table that you can play other games on.
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Joey, in case you didn't know it, Mark and i talk almost daily, I'm aware of the whole conversation you quoted from Mark, but my question to you still waits for an answer. The speed of the rails, and banking short are two different subjects, so again the question is, if the cushions are mounted hump side up, do the Diamonds still bank short???
I already addressed this in a prior post, in this very thread...
You keep going round and round, in circular arguments. Your constant deflection makes it impossible to reason with you.
I'm sorry, what's a one pocket table again?
Ok, I'll ask YOU the same question, if the cushions are mounted hump side up, do they still bank short??? Oh, that's right, you've never mounted them hump side up, so you don't know anyway.
Who's deflecting answers now?
You're right: I haven't tried it.
My theory:
For a Diamond table, I would have to guess that they still bank short. I believe that the rigidity of the table is what causes the majority of the short banking issue. Hence the reason that the smaller tables still bank short.
The tables have such a rigid construction, that there is minimal energy loss through the table. This isn't a bad thing. But, using the same specifications that are used on a Gold Crown, it makes the tables bank shorter.
I still believe that flipping the Artemis cushions to have the rounded side up would improve the short banking issue, but I do not have any experience in validating this theory, nor would I have a way to quantify the results.
Fact is, there are very few Diamond tables in my area, and the owners of the ones that are local, would certainly not want to experiment with changing them.