Diamonds clearly bank shorter than most other if not all tables…so, why?

Colonel said:
What is it with this “pinball machine” reference constantly, FOR YEARS NOW. It’s really pretty simple, Diamonds don't bank short, they bank DIFFERENTLY. Your reference to them banking short and “pinball machine” are both caused by the same thing, yours and others inability to adjust your speed. If you try to hit a bank on a Diamond at the same stroke speed that you hit it on a GC, it falls short. There’s nothing wrong with the rail. The issue is your inability to, or stubborn refusal to adjust your stroke speed. It’s the same thing with your pinball machine comments, it’s a faster rail so adjust your stroke speed. They say the definition of insanity is to do something over and over the same way and expecting a different result.
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The rail reaction is flat wrong.

I can adjust just fine. I cashed in the Banks at DCC, and play on Diamonds weekly now. That doesn’t mean they are right.

Pool is a game of pocketing the ball and playing position for the next shot. When the CB hits the rail, a significant portion of its speed is lost. This has been the way pool has been played since every single member here has been alive.

Carom is a game of using many rails to score a point. In that game you want the rails to be lively to routinely allow 5 and higher number of rail shots.

Then you have Diamond. It’s a bastard of a rail. Its rail speed compared to its bed speed are even faster than a heated carom table rail speed compared to its bed speed. It makes no sense.

If I won the lotto I’d buy Diamond, redesign the rails to bounce properly, change the logo to white color. Then I’d recall every single Diamond top out there for free and swap it to a white logo.
 
Thx for everyone weighing in. I owned an early Arkansas model red label diamond when they first started building. Paid high for it. It played terrible. I’ve played on numerous others in multiple sizes-newer tables. They bank shorter than any other table brand. I personally wouldn’t own one if they gave me a brand new one free. I play mostly at home for fun. I’m 60, never played real good, but could hold my own with average and slightly above players. I can’t see well now and don’t play well, yet a table that I know doesn’t play right is NO fun to play on. Thx
 
I believe Cobra wrote a long time ago that the nose height between the Red and the Blue was unchanged. Only the angle that the cushion was mounted at changed (while keeping the nose height constant). He said this put more “meat” behind the ball when it contacts the rail.

Cobra, incase anyone does not know, is the mechanic who came up with the Red to Blue change for Diamond.

I may be misremembering this. I’m about 75% he said something close to this.
 
Willowbrook Wolfy said:
I find the diamonds bank short under 45° maybe 50° and long over about 60°. Is it just me? Has anybody else noticed? Going 2 or 3 rails on a diamond banks the same as a gold crown depending on the exact shot. It’s because of the offsets of one acute and one obtuse angle. It’s really hard to explain. It’s just a “feel” thing.😂😂😂😂🤷‍♂️
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Interesting. I've thought the same thing for quite a while but I don't recall anyone else mentioning that. I've learned to adjust.
 
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