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[Rickw]

If you remove all the personal attacks from DM and Bazooka's posts, they really just boil down to two different philosophies on how to learn to play pool. I think DM has a good method or system for beginning players to learn how to play faster. Bazooka is right about how the top players play. I would seriously doubt that any of the top players from shortstops to the best conciously use any system when they play. They play so much that they do exactly what Bazooka and Keith are describing. However, when you are trying to teach someone how to play this game from square 1, you will be much more successful if you have some structured method to help them out. After they play for a couple of years and they are playing several hours every day and playing in tournaments, what they learned will become honed by "feel" and will probably become a "feel" player if they become good enough.

I think anyone that would put up $1,000 to back either Bazooka or DM against each other has $1,000 that they probably don't need. I would suggest you send that money to the "Big Easy" or what's left of it because they sure could use it right now!!!

 

[Koop]

I think anyone that would put up $1,000 to back either Bazooka or DM against each other has $1,000 that they probably don't need. I would suggest you send that money to the "Big Easy" or what's left of it because they sure could use it right now!!!

Rick,

I'll take that to mean me and rest assured, I've already done my part.

Koop

 

[DaveK]

That's fine Dave.
But I will not bow down on a pool forum to someone who began personally attacking me long ago.

There are many many ways to teach a person to pocket balls. The ultimate goal is to make sure the cue ball winds up in the one place that'll make the ball go in the hole. If one way to show this doesn't work try another.

OK Joe, you have the same rights as anyone else, I have no problem with that.

So would it be fair to suggest that you could have substituted either the word "system" or "method" in place of the word "way" (I bolded it) in the second paragraph quoted ?

Dave

 

[drivermaker]

So would it be fair to suggest that you could have substituted either the word "system" or "method" in place of the word "way" (I bolded it) in the second paragraph quoted ?
Dave

GULP...GULP...GULP....(that's not me doing it...it's the Pro Emiritus of this thread) I think you're getting to be as good of a "word weasle" trapper as I am. On second though....Naaaaahh. You got him though...listen for the squeals and thrashing around to get out of the trap....LOL

 

[DaveK]

I think you're getting to be as good of a "word weasle" trapper as I am.

of course I've had professional training in these games, I used to be a salesman

Dave

 

[BazookaJoe]

OK Joe, you have the same rights as anyone else, I have no problem with that.

So would it be fair to suggest that you could have substituted either the word "system" or "method" in place of the word "way" (I bolded it) in the second paragraph quoted ?

Dave

Wow!
You guys just don't give up.
Call it what you want.
I don't care anymore.

 

[BazookaJoe]

GULP...GULP...GULP....(that's not me doing it...it's the Pro Emiritus of this thread) I think you're getting to be as good of a "word weasle" trapper as I am. On second though....Naaaaahh. You got him though...listen for the squeals and thrashing around to get out of the trap....LOL

Your a friggin moron.
Your a liar.
Your an ass.
Your an old man that spends way too much time in the internet.
Why aren't you playing golf? Why aren't you making clubs?
If this is your grand claim to fame (and I think it is) it's very sad.

Anyone who listens to you deserves the advice they get.

 

[drivermaker]

Your a friggin moron.
Your a liar.
Your an ass.
Your an old man that spends way too much time in the internet.
Why aren't you playing golf? Why aren't you making clubs?
If this is your grand claim to fame (and I think it is) it's very sad.

Anyone who listens to you deserves the advice they get.

ROTFLMAO...asshole BazookaJoe is once again out of things to say about the actual subject so it's jump on Drivermaker time again. LOL...
HEY WEASEL...why don't you answer Dave's question which is on subject?
Fuckin' jerk BROKE son of a bitch...WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING instead of being an internet BUM? Get a job...loser!!

 

[CantEverWin]

ROTFLMAO...asshole BazookaJoe is once again out of things to say about the actual subject so it's jump on Drivermaker time again. LOL...
HEY WEASEL...why don't you answer Dave's question which is on subject?
Fuckin' jerk BROKE son of a bitch...WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING instead of being an internet BUM? Get a job...loser!!

DM, I have stayed out of all of these aiming threads, but have drawn one conclusion. The "Feel" defenders are those that look at a statue and don't realize that it was built. They don't realize that it hasn't always been there.
I understand what you are saying. I can't think of a way to describe the idea better than you have, however you haven't done a very good job. It seems that you are teaching calculus to a 1st grader.
I have never been able to adapt to an aiming method. Ghost ball, railroad tracks, etc. I look at the spot on the OB ball I want to hit and shoot. The same way I would shoot a basketball. I look at the basket and shoot. I'm not that great of a player, and maybe this is why. However I am educated enough to know that I can't shut my brain down and have God make the shot for me.

I guess those heads on Mount Rushmore just appeared???

Mike

 

[drivermaker]

I understand what you are saying. I can't think of a way to describe the idea better than you have, however you haven't done a very good job. It seems that you are teaching calculus to a 1st grader.

I have never been able to adapt to an aiming method. Ghost ball, railroad tracks, etc. I look at the spot on the OB ball I want to hit and shoot. The same way I would shoot a basketball. I look at the basket and shoot. I'm not that great of a player, and maybe this is why. However I am educated enough to know that I can't shut my brain down and have God make the shot for me.

Mike

Not only is it like teaching calculus to a 1st grader...it's also like reasoning or talking to one. You get NOWHERE!

Someone that I don't think I've had much if any interaction with on threads PM'd me yesterday during all of the heated exchanges and flames and told me to S.T.F.U. Did I get pissed and fire back? Hell no!...the guy hit me upside the head with a sledgehammer and made more sense than anything said so far. He said why tell all of the idiots about a way to shoot better when if they listen it'll do just that. Why get them better? That's why many of the pros don't say a hell of a lot and just talk about "feeling" this or that.
It's an answer, but it's also a putoff. So everbody is happy.

Tell you what...if you are interested in something that will make sense and be very easy to do unlike the other things you've done, just PM. We'll go from there. It's up to you.....

 

[BazookaJoe]

ROTFLMAO...asshole BazookaJoe is once again out of things to say about the actual subject so it's jump on Drivermaker time again. LOL...
HEY WEASEL...why don't you answer Dave's question which is on subject?
Fuckin' jerk BROKE son of a bitch...WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING instead of being an internet BUM? Get a job...loser!!

No, actually I think it's time for me to stop posting to this thread, and let it die.

I RESPONDED to Dave's question. Which is basically I QUIT.
I'm not going to nit-pick over wording.
If you feel you've won some sort of battle, so be it. Here is my white flag.
You're simply not worth my time.
You're a hack who thinks he's something more.
Go pedal your wares, carpetbagger. But, I aint buying.
Get a job? I am sitting at my desk right now.
Your business must be booming, since you're never on here.
Broke? No.
Entirely remodeling a very old house? Yes.
Takes a lot of cash and a lot of my time.
I've brought PROFESSIONAL opinions here to attest to "feel"
You said it didn't exist.
They and I say it does.

Side note: Koop, he may very well be able to beat me. But it takes a terrible gambler to bet on something unresearched. You should work on that.

By the way Drivermonkey. When I say I'm done with a thread (as I did with yours) I am.
You obviously don't follow that philosiphy.

Attention, anyone who is reading this: I would love it if you guys used this thread from this point foreward to post the amazing and wonderful pool knowledge this prick has passed on to you.

 

[drivermaker]

Attention, anyone who is reading this: I would love it if you guys used this thread from this point foreward to post the amazing and wonderful pool knowledge this prick has passed on to you.

Well hell Joe, they surely can't post about the amazing and wonderful pool knowledge that YOU have passed on. YOU HAVE NONE. YOU WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE ONE CONCEPT INTO A FULL SENTENCE. THERE'S NOTHING IN YOUR EMPTY HEAD TO PASS ON..."I AIM BY FEEL...YOU SHOULD TOO BECAUSE I'M A GREAT PLAYER AND I SAY YOU SHOULD". LMFAO
What a jerk...NOW, let's see if you really are done with this thread. (I'm doubtin' it VERY MUCH)

 

[chefjeff]

OK JEFF...usually you and I have to go 'round and 'round to sort things out...have I convinced you now that we're dealing with a total psycho and disruptive force, board boil right now? This is one sick dude...

You didn't convince me.

Jeff Livingston

 

[drivermaker]

You didn't convince me.

Jeff Livingston

LMAO...glad to see things haven't changed.

 

[Koop]

Side note: Koop, he may very well be able to beat me. But it takes a terrible gambler to bet on something unresearched. You should work on that.

Whatever man. I don't need research when it's clear as day from here. Nothing to work on but maybe you should work on your debating skills because everytime I see you get into it, it always turns into a 4 letter word match.

Up yours Bajoke!

Koop - trying to get some more 4 letter words out your extensive vocabulary...

 

[Rickw]

Rick,

I'll take that to mean me and rest assured, I've already done my part.

Koop

Good for you. I'm glad anytime someone helps those poor people. My other point was, if you've never seen either guy play, $1,000 is a lot of money to post up. So you're that sure that DM is that good and Bazooka is that bad huh? You must know something I don't.

 

[ScottR]

The ole DM side step.
"I don't have to tell you nothing"

Well, who the hell are YOU to ask me such questions.
Does anyone else see through this guys bullshit?

I'm not the one trying to feed anyone a magic pill.
I'm not the one trying to convince you that I'm anything but a pretty good player.
I'll never state anything but that when it comes to how good I am.
But, as PRO players have said. You get a feel of where to hit the ball after hours and hours of hitting balls.
I won't spend a lot of time telling myself to line up this part of the ball with that part of the ball, and I will pocket balls.
Take advice from Mark Tadd (a real pool player). Don't take to heart just anyone's advice. Excellence in this game comes through a whole lotta practice. I'll listen to those who have been there done that long before I'll go to the guy who promises glory through something soooo simple that it could turn anyone into a champ.
Why do the pros make it look so easy?
Because it is. NOW. After they've practiced soo much they just KNOW it's going to be right. They feel it.

I could be wrong because I don't read every one of the 7,294,719.22 posts on aiming versus feel, but . . . . . I don't think DM or anyone else ever said that an aiming system would make anyone a world champ. They do believe that it can make any one of us non-Pro schmucks on here play better.

I mean, you could just hit balls for weeks until you learned to feel that hitting below the center of the cue ball makes it stop or back up. OR, you could be taught that up front and speed up your pool development. Same applies to side spin and speed on bank shots. And on and on . . . .

Seems to me to be the same with aiming. If there are ways to aim that increase your development of learning to pocket balls, what the hell is wrong with listening and learning to use them? Will I be the next Luther Lassiter? Nope. Will I progress faster than some schmoe who is currently at my level? Maybe. Possibly. Probably. Seems worth the effort to explore to me.

 

[DaveK]

Dave, haven't you ever told someone to just 'feel' the ball into the hole after having the aiming methods not work because either you and/or they can't communicate, in which case 'feel' would be the system? What we have here is a REDUNDANT DICHOTOMY!!!! and I do mean REDUNDANT.

Hell no, never !

This is exactly what you lowbrows, who get hung up on symantecs, cannot fathom. You guys have probably never owned or been around a blind dog. They cannot see and they still get around. How you may ask? By feel. As a matter of fact, I bet that Helen Keller could have been taught to beat your ass in pool Dave. Even the 'Bubble Boy''s.

Sorry Dave, that's what you get for being the eternal smart ass.

Yes, you are a sorry one ww And I'd bend on my no gambling principles for that match with Helen Keller, maybe even against you ww.

Dave, still a smart ass

 

[Koop]

Good for you. I'm glad anytime someone helps those poor people. My other point was, if you've never seen either guy play, $1,000 is a lot of money to post up. So you're that sure that DM is that good and Bazooka is that bad huh? You must know something I don't.

My gut is usually right on with these things.
I doubt he's that bad but I would put the money on DM with his experience and SYSTEM against the other guy with less experience and FEEL.

JMO,
Koop

 

[drivermaker]

This is exactly what you lowbrows, who get hung up on symantecs, cannot fathom. You guys have probably never owned or been around a blind dog. They cannot see and they still get around. How you may ask? By feel. As a matter of fact, I bet that Helen Keller could have been taught to beat your ass in pool Dave. Even the 'Bubble Boy''s.

Sorry Dave, that's what you get for being the eternal smart ass.

And you have the NERVE to make a post directly to girlwon1 and question why she feels the way she does about YOU?? This post of yours is pretty self explanatory... (I'm just incredulous)