Did Shane cheat?

9Ballr

9Ballr

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Probably not but I have been asking that BCA make a rule of
NO chalk on the table at any time.
Similar to Snooker.
We all have plenty of pockets to stick that thing in.

At this moment you can see Shane pick up the Master and
go out of his way to move the Predator chalk further down rail
to a spot where it wasn't. Why? It's not in anyone's way.
He moves it to almost the exact spot he shoots at when he does
the kick.
Naturally he's going to walk all over the place and make it look
like he's thinking it over.

Maybe it's not cheating, but it is suspect behavior to deliberately
move the other guy's chalk in almost the exact spot he shoots at
especially when it wasn't close to being in anyone's way.

I see this happen on league night literally all the time so maybe that's
why I'm ultra sensitive about it.....lol


Here's the link and the moment it happens.
https://youtu.be/qgHJiHV_4n4?t=8m5s


I wish BCA and APA make it a rule that there is no chalk on the
table at any time. Not even while the guy is shooting.
Just put it in a chalk holder or in your pocket or back on the table
where your chair is.
Anything is better than this...
 
He was definitely not moving the chalk on the rail to mark his line of aim on the kick shot, if that's what you're suggesting, since he hadn't even lined up the kick shot yet.

Players move the chalk around all the time, sometimes purely out of habit. Players in a league might be a different story.
 
It is possible, hard to be sure what was going on in his mind. Obviously he is a little more advanced than a league player. He did not need the chalk to aim the shot. The chalk could have been a short cut(time saver) though. I would guess it was not deliberate. Perhaps a brain fart.

I used to place the chalk on the rail on the line I wanted the cue ball to land on after the shot. I was called on it by a pro and have never done it since.

I like the keep all chalk off the rail.:thumbup:
 
I think he did try(unintentional i think) to mark the table during the MC one year playing scotch doubles.
 
IMHO.... no. It looks to me like Shane moves the chalk up the rail and then measures it. The chalk was not needed by one of the best payers in the game. The Pros know where to send the CB and don't need a marker. I think it was a coincidence.
 
Lol.Put the chalk in your pocket? No chalk on the table? Just play by the rules and all will be fine.
 
I think the op has got too much time on his hands.

What I do find more interesting though, is let's just say he did cheat there and mark an area he wanted to hit with the chalk. How do you even enforce that? Keep in mind, that would involve mind reading. I take it he could have potentially given up ball in hand right there if a referee thought he did tactically place the chalk. The ref certainly shouldn't be able to coach the player and tell him to remove the chalk from a spot. I just don't think that's a good power to give to a ref, I don't think they should be in the mind reading realm.
 
9Ballr said:
Probably not but I have been asking that BCA make a rule of
NO chalk on the table at any time.
Similar to Snooker.
We all have plenty of pockets to stick that thing in.

At this moment you can see Shane pick up the Master and
go out of his way to move the Predator chalk further down rail
to a spot where it wasn't. Why? It's not in anyone's way.
He moves it to almost the exact spot he shoots at when he does
the kick.
Naturally he's going to walk all over the place and make it look
like he's thinking it over.

Maybe it's not cheating, but it is suspect behavior to deliberately
move the other guy's chalk in almost the exact spot he shoots at
especially when it wasn't close to being in anyone's way.

I see this happen on league night literally all the time so maybe that's
why I'm ultra sensitive about it.....lol


Here's the link and the moment it happens.
https://youtu.be/qgHJiHV_4n4?t=8m5s


I wish BCA and APA make it a rule that there is no chalk on the
table at any time. Not even while the guy is shooting.
Just put it in a chalk holder or in your pocket or back on the table
where your chair is.
Anything is better than this...
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Nope. It seems to me that from where he was standing where the chalk was, he may have moved it because at first glance it might be in the area he would be kicking. So I think he was moving it out of the way. Then once he lined it up, by coincidence it was near where he had to kick. Apparently he had mentally already moved on and didn't bother to move it. Extremely unlikely it had anything to do with the kick.

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Nope. It seems to me that from where he was standing where the chalk was, he may have moved it because at first glance it might be in the area he would be kicking. So I think he was moving it out of the way. Then once he lined it up, by coincidence it was near where he had to kick. Apparently he had mentally already moved on and didn't bother to move it. Extremely unlikely it had anything to do with the kick.

KMRUNOUT
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Yeah, I think that Shane was just moving the chalk out of the way (out of the way of his line of vision, to where he thought he would be kicking into the rail). Also, if the chalk belonged to Bowman, then why did Bowman not remove his chalk from the table before he left the table to sit down? It was his fault for not removing his chalk from the table before he left the table to go sit down (if that is what he was supposed to do).

The thought of placing the chalk in my line of vision, to where I would be shooting (or kicking) has never crossed my mind before. Sounds pretty silly to me. I do not think that any fairly decent player (B level or better, for example) would ever need to do that.
 
anbukev said:
Since we are talking about chalk, how about Mika Immonen picking up and throwing Corey Deuel's chalk underneath the pool table.

It happens at 29:50

https://youtu.be/9jswHs14T68
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Oh my, that was really rude. Why not be nice, and just hand the chalk to his opponent? I skipped ahead to 29 minutes into the match, so I do not know who the chalk belonged to. Pretty rude tossing it under the table though, I think.
 
anbukev said:
Since we are talking about chalk, how about Mika Immonen picking up and throwing Corey Deuel's chalk underneath the pool table.

It happens at 29:50

https://youtu.be/9jswHs14T68
Click to expand...

HAHa. That was pretty funny, Mika tossed it under the table and it must have bounced outward because then he kicked it under the table. Later when it is Corey's turn he starts searching for it and finally Mika goes over and gets it where he kicked it under the table and tries handing it to Corey.

Mika keeps his chalk in his back pocket (I noticed he rarely chalks). He removes the chalks Corey is using from the table on a few occasions so it obviously was bothering him that Corey left them on the table (maybe it is a European thing to not leave chalk on the table). I am going to ask Mika about it the next time I see him.
 
9Ballr said:
Probably not but I have been asking that BCA make a rule of
NO chalk on the table at any time.
Similar to Snooker.
We all have plenty of pockets to stick that thing in.

At this moment you can see Shane pick up the Master and
go out of his way to move the Predator chalk further down rail
to a spot where it wasn't. Why? It's not in anyone's way.
He moves it to almost the exact spot he shoots at when he does
the kick.
Naturally he's going to walk all over the place and make it look
like he's thinking it over.

Maybe it's not cheating, but it is suspect behavior to deliberately
move the other guy's chalk in almost the exact spot he shoots at
especially when it wasn't close to being in anyone's way.

I see this happen on league night literally all the time so maybe that's
why I'm ultra sensitive about it.....lol


Here's the link and the moment it happens.
https://youtu.be/qgHJiHV_4n4?t=8m5s


I wish BCA and APA make it a rule that there is no chalk on the
table at any time. Not even while the guy is shooting.
Just put it in a chalk holder or in your pocket or back on the table
where your chair is.
Anything is better than this...
Click to expand...

ZERO chance he was cheating. Just before this Bowman had chalked up with his chalk then took Shane's chalk and chalked up with it too and then placed them next to each other. Shane came to the table and went to pick up his chalk where he left it and picked up Bowman's instead and moved it from where he had been placing his chalk. When he kicked he kicked directly into the diamond (maybe he cheated and moved the diamond too) which was a couple of inches from the chalk.
 
If you don't like Shane, he cheated. If you're a Shane fan, he didn't cheat. If you're indifferent, he probably did not cheat. Simple as that!
 
I honestly do not think it matters. He could have a satellite link-up with laser range finding and a scope mounted to his cue.... none of that matters in pool. Making the ball is what matters.

Let the bodies hit the floor.

Lesh
 
I just want to highlight that how Shane counted the diamonds on this shot is exactly how instructors show it. It's on Jerry Brieseth's A Pool Lesson DVD. You don't see the setup often, but here it was! It's the first "trick shot" I ever learned a million years ago.

It's a 2:1 ratio kick with slow follow only, but the new cloth will make it go long, especially as this kick gets higher than the 3rd or 4th Diamond. Shane started at the 5:2.5 track and made his adjustment from there, just like in Brieseth's DVD.

I also believe that simply he tried to put the chalk up table and out of the way of where he thought he was going to be kicking.

Freddie <~~~ old
 
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