different reaction same english

craigmac

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anyone ever notice/have explanation for different reactions of the cue ball when you put the same english with the same stroke. i would like to think that i'm a good player with a good idea of how the cueball should react under ideal and adverse conditions. i can't understand, however, how when struck with draw, a red circle cue ball can "bite" at times and "slide" or "not bite" on different equipment. is it the ball itself? is it the cloth? i have "experimented with this quite a bit. same brand cue ball, same brand cloth (simonis): totally different results. a simple draw shot of 1 foot on 1 table draws back 3 feet on a different table with the same ball, cloth, cloth wear, stroke and humidity. a power draw shot is about half a table's length in difference for me. 7 foot bar table: junk cue ball, junk cloth= more "bite". is there a logical explanation for this? am i even making any sense to anyone?
 
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craigmac said:
anyone ever notice/have explanation for different reactions of the cue ball when you put the same english with the same stroke. i would like to think that i'm a good player with a good idea of how the cueball should react under ideal and adverse conditions. i can't understand, however, how when struck with draw, a red circle cue ball can "bite" at times and "slide" or "not bite" on different equipment. is it the ball itself? is it the cloth? i have "experimented with this quite a bit. same brand cue ball, same brand cloth (simonis): totally different results. a simple draw shot of 1 foot on 1 table draws back 3 feet on a different table with the same ball, cloth, cloth wear, stroke and humidity. a power draw shot is about half a table's length in difference for me. 7 foot bar table: junk cue ball, junk cloth= more "bite". is there a logical explanation for this? am i even making any sense to anyone?
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Regards,
Dave
 
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I'm bettin on any of #3, #4 and #5 as the culprits. Especially #3 and #5. I'm thinking you're using your own cb during these experiments.

I'm wondering if the amount of chalk on the tip as well as the shape of the tip might have some effect... probably minimal, as I'm sure you keep your tip well manicured and well chalked.

My table doesn't draw nearly as well as the ones at BOM and I'm sure it's because my cloth is not drawn as tight and is not as well worn. It's like the difference between 860 and 760.
 
dr_dave said:
dave thanks for your input. i think maybe we're on a different page. i understand throw and skid principles but i'm talking about simple 4 foot draw shots. some tables i need to barely stroke the ball and others i need to hit it pretty well (this is a complicated version made simple). just wondering why different cue ball, table, cloth, and cloth wear work differently.. thanks again
 
craigmac said:
dave thanks for your input. i think maybe we're on a different page. i understand throw and skid principles but i'm talking about simple 4 foot draw shots. some tables i need to barely stroke the ball and others i need to hit it pretty well (this is a complicated version made simple). just wondering why different cue ball, table, cloth, and cloth wear work differently.. thanks again
Sorry about not reading your entire message originally. It looks like your question has been answered by others. Ball weight and friction between the ball and cloth both affect draw action. It tougher to draw a heavier cue ball (because the CB "pushes through" the OB some), and its easier to draw on slick cloth (because there is less "drag" on the way to the OB).

Regards,
Dave
 
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