DMIRO Tour question

Poolwiz99

Poolwiz99

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Mike Andrews organizer of the tour played in the pro event this past weekend so he would be in the final 4 being that only 2 other pros were there.I hope that means he now must play as a pro in every event he enters,even if 10 pros come that would only be right or am I wrong.
 
of Course

Of course, once you play in the OPEN division, you will be required to continue to play in that division. ANYONE can play in the Open Division. Others have choose not to, since they would be required to do so, for the remainder of the season.

Thank you for your question.
 
Also

Also I didnt do it so I would be in the money, I did it becuase in Richmond there was only 3 pros there, so I played to make it 4. Then went to the 1 loss side, and was eliminated from there. Therefore in Roanoke, I played in the Open Division, and thought we had 1 other pro comming, which, he did not since he had vehicle problems.

Thanks again for your question.
 
BUMP!

I strongly recommend that everyone read and UNDERSTAND the format for these tournaments. It's different, kinda confusing, could be GREAT with lots of players, but if the opportunity presents itself you can cash pretty easily.

I had a good time at their last event in Roanoke, but the format takes some understanding.
 
DrMikeUSN said:
Of course, once you play in the OPEN division, you will be required to continue to play in that division. ANYONE can play in the Open Division. Others have choose not to, since they would be required to do so, for the remainder of the season.

Thank you for your question.
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I think what Mike meant to say is that Pros can ONLY play in the Pro Division, but amateurs have the choice to play in either division. If an amateur CHOOSES to play in the Pro Division, that does not mean that they must continue to play in the Pro Division at every event. This format is good because it keeps Pros out of the amateur bracket, yet allows aspiring amateurs the choice to decide if they want to compete in the Pro bracket.

Conversely, Pros do not have this luxury. An established Pro cannot choose to play in the Amateur/Open Division.

Mike, can you confirm if this is appropriately stated?
 
That is not what he told us in Roanoke. He said once you play as a pro, you are a pro in all future events.
 
Sorry, I am not really sure about the rules... I was only trying to help. I'm sure Mike will reply soon with a proper answer.
 
True

It is true if a player such as my self chooses to play in the OPEN division, they must continue to play in the OPEN division.
 
Open division

Ok, so Allen and I just had a long talk. The only reason I played in the open division was to have even numbers, and I decided once I played in the open division I will continue to do so.

Now, if two established pros show up and and 50 amateurs we will advance 6 amateurs with the 2 pros.

We will have two divisions, providing we have 5 amateurs and 5 pros, so that no one will automaticlly advance.
 
DrMikeUSN said:
It is true if a player such as my self chooses to play in the OPEN division, they must continue to play in the OPEN division.
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Doesn't this leave the door open for potential complaints?

For instance, player A for whatever reason, is designated a pro (by choice for instance) such as you opting to play as a pro.

What does that mean for player B who do not wish to play on the pro side of the event, who may have beaten a designated pro in the past?

I can see some people complaining, trying to make their bracket easier.
Now suppose someone had beaten you or another pro in some other non DMIRO venue, and now, people on the non pro side, start to complain? What do you do?

For instance, someone wants to be a pro, but they stink, but they always imagine themselves to be better then they really are.
What happens to everyone that beats them that want to remain on the non pro side?

The only reason i bring this up is that back in the day of Camel Pro Tour Qualifying, there were some qualifiers we went to where people showed up and were subsequently were tossed out because they played too strong, or had beaten known pros in the past, and the qualifiers were strictly amateur only events, despite the people being tossed out not having any professional ranking, or history/track record of playing in big pro events where ranking points were awarded.

I mean, it seems kind of petty, but on that same note, there WERE people who got mad cause they felt that they had no chance to win the qualifying spot with those people in the tournament, and they were the ones who went and dimed other people out to the TD. SOMETIMES, it was a blatant lie, but since the complainant had 4 yes men with him (his buddies) and the TD didn't really know, the TD sided with the majority.

I would assume that you have something in place to prevent this type of scenario...maybe a "your call ends all disputes" type ruling, but if you don't, i can certainly see this being an issue, knowing how pathetic and bitter, envious jealous pool players can be when they aren't skilled enough to win things on their own merit.
 
Superstar

Great comment. I apprecaite the feedback. The reason I choose that rule was, in Richmond, there was only 3 open players. I was in the amateur division, I asked EVERYONE in the room if they wanted to play on the open side, and everyone choose NOT to play on the open side, so I did. Thereofre, the top 4 advance, win or loose I was guarantted 7/8th place.

Since I had a tournament that I was guaranteed money, by choosing to play in the open division, then I should have to play in the open division.

I choose to do this rule after over hearing players say "at the next event I will play in the open divison if there is only 4 players -- that will guarantee us cash"

It was at that time, I choose to make it a rule that if you play open once, you must for the remainder of the season.

Next year we will re-evaluate the format. I can promise you that.
 
DMIRO faults

The problem this format is when 4 or less "pros" enter they are guaranteed to win money. Additionally they will have to win only 2 sets to be in the finals. The 16+ amateurs have to play more sets and will inevitably loose to the pros when the match up in the final 8. They end up with 7th/8th and 5th/6th money (which is squadouch). This format works against the amateur player.

I read that Shawn Wilkie played amateurs the Friday before this tournament in a race to 1 game for free DIMIRO tour cards. He won 20 of 21 games. Pretty stong if you ask me. He's the real deal, no A rated player has a chance in a non hadicapped race to 7 or 9.

A word to the wise. If you want to play better players, even pro caliber players then just enter the field at a regional open event and take your lumps. Or better yet start a local tour for amateurs only with $100 entry and payout some real money.

Hope the $65 payout was worth it Mike. At least you can call yourself a pro now.
 
master9baller said:
I read that Shawn Wilkie played amateurs the Friday before this tournament in a race to 1 game for free DIMIRO tour cards. He won 20 of 21 games. Pretty stong if you ask me. He's the real deal, no A rated player has a chance in a non hadicapped race to 7 or 9.
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False. I got there:D. Once anyways.

master9baller said:
Hope the $65 payout was worth it Mike. At least you can call yourself a pro now.
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A) The pay out was $110 I think for Mike.

B) In case you didn't read his earlier post, he HAD to play as a pro since he did the week before in Midlothian. It's not a bad format it just takes the right conditions and some getting used to.
 
If you think this format works with 3-4 pros showing up, it doesn't. Think about it. Even if you are one of the amatuers that makes it to the final 8 you still need to beat the best pros to get any real money. Wouldn't it be better to just play amongst them from the beginning, win 2 sets and be gauranteed the top 3?

Anyway it sounds like you need at least the 7 out, maybe the 6, just like Mike. You can't play pool for a year and expect to be a world beater....or a tournament director for that matter. The problem is "you don't even know what you don't know". That's the beauty of the game, it looks simple, but is isn't.
 
master9baller said:
If you think this format works with 3-4 pros showing up, it doesn't. Think about it. Even if you are one of the amatuers that makes it to the final 8 you still need to beat the best pros to get any real money. Wouldn't it be better to just play amongst them from the beginning, win 2 sets and be gauranteed the top 3?

Anyway it sounds like you need at least the 7 out, maybe the 6, just like Mike. You can't play pool for a year and expect to be a world beater....or a tournament director for that matter. The problem is "you don't even know what you don't know". That's the beauty of the game, it looks simple, but is isn't.
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I never said that I think it's a good format for 3 pros, I said it would be good under the right conditions. It sucks with so few pros, WE AGREE ON THAT.

And congratulations on being able to give an amateur the 7 out, it's an incredible accomplishment.
 
Congrats E...

easy-e said:
False. I got there:D. Once anyways.
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EasyE congrats man....you must've been playing good to take down Wilkie the first time! Here in Pittsburgh one of my amateur buddies took down both Dave Grau and Dennis Hatch in back-to-back matches about a month ago. Sorry to say the Hatchetman got him pretty good in the one-race to 9 Finals. But hey.......at least you and him can say you did it ONCE:grin:
Very cool accomplishment......NICELY DONE BUDDY!!
 
Thanks man! I was playing pretty well in our first set. Shaun turned it up a notch in the finals and punished me 9-3, but it was a good tournament for me anyways.
 
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