Do/Can you jump with your playing cue?

Do/Can you jump with your playing cue?


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i can jump with my playing cue for longer shots, but I greatly prefer to do it with my jump cue. Only will I jump with my playing cue if its the only cue I have.
 
Jump shots

I can jump with my break cue, phenolic tipped, and a jump cue. I can't with any cue that I shoot with, all predator shafts.
 
Anyone who says they can jump with their playing cue easily are just plain lying. They may be able to accomplice a jump in just the right situation, but that is about it. The cue ball comes off the table with so much velocity half they time they are lucky to keep it on the table much less accomplish a controlled jump. At best they can jump a whole ball and maybe hit the object ball the length of the table away but that is about it.

Maybe you need to improve your stroke, because like I said before for me there is really no difference. So please don't be so negative just because you can't control the rock!!!!!!!;)
 
Your comment highlights the ignorance of the jump cue mentality. There used to be times where players had to play situational shots. The blocker was too close, so they had to kick. The blocker was too far away, so again, they had to play a kick. Sometimes it was just the right distance away, and a jump shot with a full length cue was the right choice, IF you had that shot in you. Now, we just buy the prop. 98 times out of 100 you have a straight line to the blocker - all you need to do is hop the blocker. Jump kicks? No problem. They are 99% of the time a single rail kick shot, so you don't even need to know multiple rail kick shots. The best kickers used to win. It wasn't uncommon to see Earl, Efren, Mike Sigel, Johnny or Francisco in the winner's circle multiple times per year. It rarely happens now. I view the jump cue as a suckout on the river in holdem. You really should have lost, and it took an abomination happening for you to win.
Don't jump on me, I would be happy if we went back to push out and got rid of ball in hand.
I have no dog in this fight, I was just point out the obvious that those that say they can jump with a playing cue "Easily" implying, just as good as with a jump cue, are not telling the truth.
 
Maybe you need to improve your stroke, because like I said before for me there is really no difference. So please don't be so negative just because you can't control the rock!!!!!!!;)

No Difference, you can jump just as well with the cue you play with and the tip you play with as well as with a jump cue? I am afraid you are not being completely honest.

I can jump with a whole cue as good as anyone on the planet but I am not delusional. I can't do a fraction of what I can do with a jump cue. Sorry.
 
Jumping with my playing cue.

I can jump with my playing cue with good results if I have to.I prefer to kick if possible.I think the best example of player who jumps great with their playing cue is Earl "The Pearl"Strickland.His story with Luther Lassister and his jump shot is classic.As far as banning jump cues. I don't think anything that was not around at the beginning of the game should be allowed.It doesn't bother me either way when my opponent uses one it is just personal preference. :cool:
 
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No Difference, you can jump just as well with the cue you play with and the tip you play with as well as with a jump cue? I am afraid you are not being completely honest.

I can jump with a whole cue as good as anyone on the planet but I am not delusional. I can't do a fraction of what I can do with a jump cue. Sorry.

I respect your comments, but again just because you can't jump as well with your playing doesn't mean others are effected the same way you are. I don't know why your ability to jump is diminished with your playing cue, but I suspect that it is the normal tips you prefer to play with. I prefer a very very hard tip, in fact I specially treat and press them myself, while they are not as hard as Phenolic they are certainly as firm as you can get.

Only you know where your problem lyes, however, until you correct the problem you are having you certainly can't say that you jump as well as anyone on the Planet, and that statement is certainly not delusional!!

Take care
 
I respect your comments, but again just because you can't jump as well with your playing doesn't mean others are effected the same way you are. I don't know why your ability to jump is diminished with your playing cue, but I suspect that it is the normal tips you prefer to play with. I prefer a very very hard tip, in fact I specially treat and press them myself, while they are not as hard as Phenolic they are certainly as firm as you can get.

Only you know where your problem lyes, however, until you correct the problem you are having you certainly can't say that you jump as well as anyone on the Planet, and that statement is certainly not delusional!!

Take care
Point me to even one video clip, maybe on youtube, of someone jumping with a full length cue of say 19 or 20 ounces doing any of the things you can do with a jump cue. I want to see them make even a simple across the table jump and pocket a ball in the side like you can with a jump cue. With a jump cue you can gently hop the blocking ball and trickle up to object ball pocketing it like it is nothing. With a standard 19 ounces cue you will send the cue ball off the table in most cases. Rafael martinez used to jump great with a full length cue and people often sight that as jumping with a playing cue. If you know him and picked up the cue you will discover the cue is about 8 ounces and not really a standard cue. Pat Fleming had one like that as well he fooled people with. They didn't know it was really a 57 inch jump cue. I don't get what the argument is here? You are completely wrong. No one can do with a playing cue what can be done with a jump cue, thats crazy. Let me see it on tape.
 
Yet another thread ,where people hate jump cue's !! Someone said who ever jump's has no shape on their next shot or position, well i totally agree sometimes with that , but as far as kicking! I bet that the average person on here that is against jump cue's can not come up with position on their kicks either , just as on jump shot's you never exactly know where that cue ball is going to stop. On a kick on certain shots !!!!!
 
I don't know why your ability to jump is diminished with your playing cue, but I suspect that it is the normal tips you prefer to play with. I prefer a very very hard tip, in fact I specially treat and press them myself, while they are not as hard as Phenolic they are certainly as firm as you can get.
It is much harder to jump with the same degree of accuracy or proficiency with your playing cue - mostly due to the extra weight at the butt end. It's harder to aim and overall harder to handle the cue. Feel free to set up a test to confim: jump interfering balls at varying distances with both cues: 2", 3", 4", 6", 12", 18", 24", 36". It's much easier to jump the close balls with the jump cue. Ergo, ability diminished when jumping with a playing cue for certain shots. In fact, I'd like to see the video of anyone (pro or otherwise) that has jumped over a ball 2" away with their playing cue...

I would venture to say that almost no one can jump as proficiently with their playing cue as they can with a jump cue. If it were so, they would have been doing it long ago - and would still be doing it today. And believe it or not, there are things you can do with a jump cue you cannot do with your playing cue. The converse is true as well.

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Point me to even one video clip, maybe on youtube, of someone jumping with a full length cue of say 19 or 20 ounces doing any of the things you can do with a jump cue. I want to see them make even a simple across the table jump and pocket a ball in the side like you can with a jump cue. With a jump cue you can gently hop the blocking ball and trickle up to object ball pocketing it like it is nothing. With a standard 19 ounces cue you will send the cue ball off the table in most cases. Rafael martinez used to jump great with a full length cue and people often sight that as jumping with a playing cue. If you know him and picked up the cue you will discover the cue is about 8 ounces and not really a standard cue. Pat Fleming had one like that as well he fooled people with. They didn't know it was really a 57 inch jump cue. I don't get what the argument is here? You are completely wrong. No one can do with a playing cue what can be done with a jump cue, thats crazy. Let me see it on tape.

The question in this poll wasn't if you could jump balls with your playing cue as easily as you could with a jump cue. The question was are you able to jump balls with your full length playing cue. There are a bunch of players that can easily jump balls with a playing cue. They aren't saying that when they're behind a ball that is 3" in front of us, they just jack up with their player and hop out of it. Some people don't need or use a jump cue. I don't carry one. I know which jump shots I can make, and which ones I can't. Pool was never meant to be played in 3 dimensions. The surface is dead level, therefore I'm going to suggest that the inventors of the game felt it should be played on a horizontal plane. If you want to play in a vertical plane, take up golf. They have all sorts of wonderful creations in that sport for making white balls go airborne.

Ball in hand rules are fine. Let's just get rid of the stupid mini cue. The only people that should be allowed to use a 40" cue must be 5 years old or less. If you need to shoot a jump shot, no going back to the bag and grabbing a different cue. Use your playing cue to get out of trouble. I hooked you with my playing cue. The least you could do in return is try to get out of it with yours.
 
In fact, I'd like to see the video of anyone (pro or otherwise) that has jumped over a ball 2" away with their playing cue...

I would venture to say that almost no one can jump as proficiently with their playing cue as they can with a jump cue. -td

This is precisely why the jump cue should never have been allowed into the game. There USED to be a day when putting someone 2" away from the blocking ball would be considered a good hook. There were times when you used to sacrifice being tight to a blocker to cut off certain angles on the kick shot. Now, we're made to pretty much stiff the cueball to a blocking ball, otherwise mini me can come out of the bag and save the other guy.

Equipment should be made to augment a player's abilities, not give him an ability he didn't have before he bought the equipment. With the old leather tipped jump cues, you still had to have some technique. With the new phenolic tipped jump cues, any monkey with $60 and 5 minutes of spare time can learn the necessary skills to jump with most anyone. Will they be world class? No. Is there an art to jumping? Yes. However, when someone can gain that kind of skill in minutes, there's something wrong with that device being allowed into pool.

For all you techno junkies, I'll bring up your beloved golf analogies. There are a multitude of balls on the market. You can buy balls that reduce your slice. Those balls usually are very hard in nature, and also have a slick face to reduce sidespin on the ball. They fly straight. They also won't spin backwards worth a darn. So, even though the ball flies straighter off the tee, the ball won't stop on the green. If you are an honest golfer, you can't switch balls during the hole, unless it's damaged, or you want to take the penalty. So, if you decide to play the gimmick balls, you benefit, but also pay for your choices. Pool should be no different. I liked when some of the leagues used to have the rule that if you used a jump cue, you had to finish the rack with it. Those runouts were priceless - wish I got some of those on tape - they'd be a hoot on YouTube.
 
This is why I hate the jump cue. People talk about the jump cue just augmenting player's skills. In this scenario, it IS the arrow and not the indian. I know a lot of players that do not have the stroke to jump over balls with a full length cue. I happened to practice this, and know how to shoot a full length cue jump shot. Can I do it with a full blocker 6" away? Hell, no. That skill is all but gone now. Players can buy the pogo sticks and jump nearly as proficiently as me in less than 5 minutes. It's a bought skill, and should be gone from the game. I have no problem with jump shots, but 40" jump cues have to go. People can jump balls with a chalk width's space. Just how good a hook do I have to play now to get ball in hand? This is retarded - put a guy 2" behind a blocker, and that would now be considered a marginal safety by players that own jump cues.

And, your point is? My answer to that is learn to play jam up safties. I for one for the life of me can't execute a full length cue jump. However, I do own a jump cue that I use extremely well. I also know a lot of people who own Jump Cues who can't jump at all, so it's not so automatic as you state.

Just my honest opinion. Black Cat
 
Pool was never meant to be played in 3 dimensions. The surface is dead level, therefore I'm going to suggest that the inventors of the game felt it should be played on a horizontal plane.
If this mentality was true, we would still be playing with maces on tables with no pockets and no cloth. The inventors of the game didn't contemplate many things we take for granted today. Where would we be if people challenged and then prohibited every new innovation. Say for example, cloth, chalk, leather tips, ivory balls, plastic balls, phenolic balls, or electric lights? What about pointed pockets, two piece cues, applying english, or women playing?

Times change. Technology evolves. Hold on to the past too long and the present passes you by.

Besides, if you really advocated a 2 dimensional game, you would lobby for a rule change that the cue ball can't leave the bed of the table at all. But wait, 3 dimensions are OK, but only if you use a full length cue. So it has nothing to do with 2 dimensions at all. Just technology that makes the third one easier to come by. So we're back to the whole innovation thing again...

-td
 
Knowing how to jump with your full cue is very helpful in a lot of situations. If jump cues are not allowed,you will have a huge advantage. I will still use my full cue if i need to make the shot and draw the cueball quite a ways especially. True, a good jump cue will make almost all jump shots a lot easier and controlled,but being able to do both is very handy.
 
Equipment should be made to augment a player's abilities, not give him an ability he didn't have before he bought the equipment. ... Will they be world class? No. ... when someone can gain that kind of skill in minutes, there's something wrong with that device being allowed into pool.
If you can't beat a hack using his jump cue, you couldn't beat him not using it. It's not the jump cue...

-td
 
Knowing how to jump with your full cue is very helpful in a lot of situations. If jump cues are not allowed,you will have a huge advantage. I will still use my full cue if i need to make the shot and draw the cueball quite a ways especially. True, a good jump cue will make almost all jump shots a lot easier and controlled,but being able to do both is very handy.

In all honestly if the jump cue is to be eliminated the jump shot should be done away with all together. You can't have average players jumping with their playing cues any more then doing full masse shots. In fact it is worse. They will be sailing the cue balls all over the room. The jump cue produces a nice controlled shot that is not detrimental to anything. A jump cue can make beautiful little hops that when done correctly add another dimension to the game. But like I said in another post, I would prefer to go all the way back to push out and forget the jump shot as well as ball in hand. There is nothing worse in the game today then the cheap wins produced by ball in hand.
The jump cue is nothing compared to the horror of ball in hand. That is one of the worse things to ever happen to the game. Professionals players just picking up the cue ball and putting it anywhere on the table they want. Are you kidding me. But that is a whole other subject. In fact, the jump cue may have done a little to neutralize the silliness ball in hand.
 
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Sounds like the guys that have the problems with jump cue's lost their lunch money one to many times to a 5 year old as the one post stated ,and doesn't want it to happen any more !!!!guess all the rules should change back to the invention of the game and NO one come up with any thing new, or any thing different cause some will not be able to cope with it !!:d SOME HACK !!!
 
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Point me to even one video clip, maybe on youtube, of someone jumping with a full length cue of say 19 or 20 ounces doing any of the things you can do with a jump cue. I want to see them make even a simple across the table jump and pocket a ball in the side like you can with a jump cue. With a jump cue you can gently hop the blocking ball and trickle up to object ball pocketing it like it is nothing. With a standard 19 ounces cue you will send the cue ball off the table in most cases. Rafael martinez used to jump great with a full length cue and people often sight that as jumping with a playing cue. If you know him and picked up the cue you will discover the cue is about 8 ounces and not really a standard cue. Pat Fleming had one like that as well he fooled people with. They didn't know it was really a 57 inch jump cue. I don't get what the argument is here? You are completely wrong. No one can do with a playing cue what can be done with a jump cue, thats crazy. Let me see it on tape.

First never forget, not everyone plays with 19 or 20 oz cue, many cues I build for players are lighter than 19 or 20 oz, in fact I build some cues as light as 16 oz. As for the argument there isn't one in my opinion, only a difference of opinion.

You have every right to your opinion even if it is wrong, and that is fine with me.

All I can say for a fact is the Phenolic Tips will soon be history, now that is not to say that Jump cues with leather tips will also be outlawed. But, the fact remains without Phenolic tips many people will be disabled and Jump cues well they may not be all they are cracked up to be!!!!!!!;)
 
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