Anyone who says they can jump with their playing cue easily are just plain lying. They may be able to accomplice a jump in just the right situation, but that is about it. The cue ball comes off the table with so much velocity half they time they are lucky to keep it on the table much less accomplish a controlled jump. At best they can jump a whole ball and maybe hit the object ball the length of the table away but that is about it.
Don't jump on me, I would be happy if we went back to push out and got rid of ball in hand.Your comment highlights the ignorance of the jump cue mentality. There used to be times where players had to play situational shots. The blocker was too close, so they had to kick. The blocker was too far away, so again, they had to play a kick. Sometimes it was just the right distance away, and a jump shot with a full length cue was the right choice, IF you had that shot in you. Now, we just buy the prop. 98 times out of 100 you have a straight line to the blocker - all you need to do is hop the blocker. Jump kicks? No problem. They are 99% of the time a single rail kick shot, so you don't even need to know multiple rail kick shots. The best kickers used to win. It wasn't uncommon to see Earl, Efren, Mike Sigel, Johnny or Francisco in the winner's circle multiple times per year. It rarely happens now. I view the jump cue as a suckout on the river in holdem. You really should have lost, and it took an abomination happening for you to win.
Maybe you need to improve your stroke, because like I said before for me there is really no difference. So please don't be so negative just because you can't control the rock!!!!!!!![]()
No Difference, you can jump just as well with the cue you play with and the tip you play with as well as with a jump cue? I am afraid you are not being completely honest.
I can jump with a whole cue as good as anyone on the planet but I am not delusional. I can't do a fraction of what I can do with a jump cue. Sorry.
Point me to even one video clip, maybe on youtube, of someone jumping with a full length cue of say 19 or 20 ounces doing any of the things you can do with a jump cue. I want to see them make even a simple across the table jump and pocket a ball in the side like you can with a jump cue. With a jump cue you can gently hop the blocking ball and trickle up to object ball pocketing it like it is nothing. With a standard 19 ounces cue you will send the cue ball off the table in most cases. Rafael martinez used to jump great with a full length cue and people often sight that as jumping with a playing cue. If you know him and picked up the cue you will discover the cue is about 8 ounces and not really a standard cue. Pat Fleming had one like that as well he fooled people with. They didn't know it was really a 57 inch jump cue. I don't get what the argument is here? You are completely wrong. No one can do with a playing cue what can be done with a jump cue, thats crazy. Let me see it on tape.I respect your comments, but again just because you can't jump as well with your playing doesn't mean others are effected the same way you are. I don't know why your ability to jump is diminished with your playing cue, but I suspect that it is the normal tips you prefer to play with. I prefer a very very hard tip, in fact I specially treat and press them myself, while they are not as hard as Phenolic they are certainly as firm as you can get.
Only you know where your problem lyes, however, until you correct the problem you are having you certainly can't say that you jump as well as anyone on the Planet, and that statement is certainly not delusional!!
Take care
It is much harder to jump with the same degree of accuracy or proficiency with your playing cue - mostly due to the extra weight at the butt end. It's harder to aim and overall harder to handle the cue. Feel free to set up a test to confim: jump interfering balls at varying distances with both cues: 2", 3", 4", 6", 12", 18", 24", 36". It's much easier to jump the close balls with the jump cue. Ergo, ability diminished when jumping with a playing cue for certain shots. In fact, I'd like to see the video of anyone (pro or otherwise) that has jumped over a ball 2" away with their playing cue...I don't know why your ability to jump is diminished with your playing cue, but I suspect that it is the normal tips you prefer to play with. I prefer a very very hard tip, in fact I specially treat and press them myself, while they are not as hard as Phenolic they are certainly as firm as you can get.
Point me to even one video clip, maybe on youtube, of someone jumping with a full length cue of say 19 or 20 ounces doing any of the things you can do with a jump cue. I want to see them make even a simple across the table jump and pocket a ball in the side like you can with a jump cue. With a jump cue you can gently hop the blocking ball and trickle up to object ball pocketing it like it is nothing. With a standard 19 ounces cue you will send the cue ball off the table in most cases. Rafael martinez used to jump great with a full length cue and people often sight that as jumping with a playing cue. If you know him and picked up the cue you will discover the cue is about 8 ounces and not really a standard cue. Pat Fleming had one like that as well he fooled people with. They didn't know it was really a 57 inch jump cue. I don't get what the argument is here? You are completely wrong. No one can do with a playing cue what can be done with a jump cue, thats crazy. Let me see it on tape.
In fact, I'd like to see the video of anyone (pro or otherwise) that has jumped over a ball 2" away with their playing cue...
I would venture to say that almost no one can jump as proficiently with their playing cue as they can with a jump cue. -td
This is why I hate the jump cue. People talk about the jump cue just augmenting player's skills. In this scenario, it IS the arrow and not the indian. I know a lot of players that do not have the stroke to jump over balls with a full length cue. I happened to practice this, and know how to shoot a full length cue jump shot. Can I do it with a full blocker 6" away? Hell, no. That skill is all but gone now. Players can buy the pogo sticks and jump nearly as proficiently as me in less than 5 minutes. It's a bought skill, and should be gone from the game. I have no problem with jump shots, but 40" jump cues have to go. People can jump balls with a chalk width's space. Just how good a hook do I have to play now to get ball in hand? This is retarded - put a guy 2" behind a blocker, and that would now be considered a marginal safety by players that own jump cues.
If this mentality was true, we would still be playing with maces on tables with no pockets and no cloth. The inventors of the game didn't contemplate many things we take for granted today. Where would we be if people challenged and then prohibited every new innovation. Say for example, cloth, chalk, leather tips, ivory balls, plastic balls, phenolic balls, or electric lights? What about pointed pockets, two piece cues, applying english, or women playing?Pool was never meant to be played in 3 dimensions. The surface is dead level, therefore I'm going to suggest that the inventors of the game felt it should be played on a horizontal plane.
If you can't beat a hack using his jump cue, you couldn't beat him not using it. It's not the jump cue...Equipment should be made to augment a player's abilities, not give him an ability he didn't have before he bought the equipment. ... Will they be world class? No. ... when someone can gain that kind of skill in minutes, there's something wrong with that device being allowed into pool.
Knowing how to jump with your full cue is very helpful in a lot of situations. If jump cues are not allowed,you will have a huge advantage. I will still use my full cue if i need to make the shot and draw the cueball quite a ways especially. True, a good jump cue will make almost all jump shots a lot easier and controlled,but being able to do both is very handy.
Point me to even one video clip, maybe on youtube, of someone jumping with a full length cue of say 19 or 20 ounces doing any of the things you can do with a jump cue. I want to see them make even a simple across the table jump and pocket a ball in the side like you can with a jump cue. With a jump cue you can gently hop the blocking ball and trickle up to object ball pocketing it like it is nothing. With a standard 19 ounces cue you will send the cue ball off the table in most cases. Rafael martinez used to jump great with a full length cue and people often sight that as jumping with a playing cue. If you know him and picked up the cue you will discover the cue is about 8 ounces and not really a standard cue. Pat Fleming had one like that as well he fooled people with. They didn't know it was really a 57 inch jump cue. I don't get what the argument is here? You are completely wrong. No one can do with a playing cue what can be done with a jump cue, thats crazy. Let me see it on tape.