Do/Can you jump with your playing cue?

Do/Can you jump with your playing cue?

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So just because the equipment makes the shot easier it should be banned? Let's take it a step further and ban all custom cues and make everybody shoot with a house cue or broomstick handle and see how good they play then. Why should a piece of equipment that makes the shot easier be banned just because it's more suitable for the shot?

Shawn Armstrong said:
I think there should be no ban at all on jump shots. I think jump cues should be banned. Get rid of the phenolic tipped gimmick sticks. If you want to jump, do it with your player. You should have all your playing shots in your playing cue. I haven't seen anyone run to their bag for their draw cue or stun cue yet.

To any jump cue player out there, I challenge you to cut the phenolic tip off your jump cue, put a Le Pro tip on it, and see how well it jumps. People keep talking about technology improving the game. Bull$hit. It's not technology. It's putting a material as hard as the cueball at the end of the ferrule that gives you the ability. Go to the pool hall next time and find a cue that has a tip broken off. Shoot jump shots with it. It's a pogo stick too. Sick innovation, those untipped cues.

If a jump cue is "designed" to facilitate the jump shot, the tip should only be one contributing factor. I'll go get a house cue and cut it down to 41", and put a phenolic tip on it. You can have an AirTime, or Predator Air or whatever jump cue you choose. We'll stick a Triangle tip on it. Then let's see which technologically advanced cue wins the jump off.
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poolfoole said:
So just because the equipment makes the shot easier it should be banned? Let's take it a step further and ban all custom cues and make everybody shoot with a house cue or broomstick handle and see how good they play then. Why should a piece of equipment that makes the shot easier be banned just because it's more suitable for the shot?
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Hilarious. Yeah, you take my custom cue out of my hands, I cannot play a lick. I can draw a table length with my cue, but give me a Viking and I'm screwed. I can play with pretty much any cue on the planet. There will be subtle differences, like deflection, and how I have to hit certain shots. I have YET to buy a pool cue that gave me the ability to do something I couldn't do before I bought it. I would love to see those ads from Predator - "can't draw the ball? Buy a Predator!".
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Guess you didn't get the point. He made those shots with a full length cue. Guess you didn't watch til the end. AND, he shot SEVERAL jump shots in the vid. One is clearly a foul. The others look pretty darned close to me. Would you call someone on that? I would love to see someone unload that shot on you (Larry Nevel) and you call a foul. You'd become the new case for his jump cue.
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So because it "looks close" it's not actually a foul? Or it's not a foul because he's a pro, which is it? Yes, I would call a foul on a pro if we were playing in a tournament or for money. You shouldn't get away with fouls just because you're well known.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
If a jump cue is "designed" to facilitate the jump shot, the tip should only be one contributing factor. I'll go get a house cue and cut it down to 41", and put a phenolic tip on it. You can have an AirTime, or Predator Air or whatever jump cue you choose. We'll stick a Triangle tip on it. Then let's see which technologically advanced cue wins the jump off.
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I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but in the early/mid 90s there was a movement for jumping with just the shaft. Someone figured out you could jump A LOT easier with just the shaft since it was lighter and could be "stroked" better. It wasn't with a new harder tip or some fancy technology. They simply unscrewed the shaft and jumped with it. [I still use it today when the local rules allow or when I'm showing off.]

Well a company took hold of this trend and made a cool device called the thumper jumper to help these type of shaft jumps. It was a little handle that you simply screwed into your shaft making shaft jumping even easier. In fact, shaft jumping was (and still is) really easy - and can be done with any type of tip.

Well, then they (people that didn't like it) began their complaining and started enforcing the cue length rule. (I can't remember if there was also a rule change to a minimum length cue, but I seem to recall there was as well). Anyway, people started cutting cues down to the minimum length and began coring out the butts. These were probably the real precursors to todays jump cues. These lighter/shorter cues with NORMAL tips made jumping a viable alternative to the full length cue. I was doing it in the 90s (and quite well) - even without a phenolic tip.

The next (logical?) step was using the hardest tip you could find. Soon, some people were simply rounding their ferrules off, and others were adding "ferrule" tips to their jump cues.

In short, phenolic tipped short jump cues are not a new trend. They are nothing more than the shortest, lightest, and hardest tipped cue permitted within the rules. If you take away the phenolic, you are only taking one step back. The jump shot will still exist in its exact same form.

-td
 
poolfoole said:
So just because the equipment makes the shot easier it should be banned? Let's take it a step further and ban all custom cues and make everybody shoot with a house cue or broomstick handle and see how good they play then. Why should a piece of equipment that makes the shot easier be banned just because it's more suitable for the shot?
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They are baning the Phenolic Tips because they CLAIM that they damage the balls. I own a Pool Room, and I do not see this damage occuring, so I think that there is more here than meets the eye.;)

Take care
 
If I have a long jump shot I won't bother using my b/j cue. If it's close I will break down the b/j. I have a LOT more control jumping with my playing cue but obviously I'm not able to make it over close balls.
 
full cue jumping

I am going to kick in most cases, but I can jump with my Southwest with a moori med tip and I have no problems getting over full balls.
 
I tried jumping again today with my playing cue. I made it 1 time out of like 10, lol.
 
Jumping with a full cue is a combination of the cue's properties, the table characteristics (slate, cloth, and balls) and the skill level of the player. Some cues are easier to jump with than others.

It is "possible" to jump a full ball from about 12" away from the blocking ball IF all the conditions are right and a little closer with some cues. I have jumped balls from as close as about 6-8" with my Scruggs sneaky pete.

The amount of consistent jump shots that are possible using a full cue is very limited when compared to using a specially engineered jump cue.

And for those who think that jumping is harder with a full cue, yes it is, but controlling the cueball is harder.

Think of a car that has a turning ratio of 3 full turns to bring the wheels from all the way left to all the right. Now compare it to a car where the wheels go from all the way left to all the way right with just a half turn of the wheel. Obviously you can turn much quicker with the second car and also make errors much faster and easier.

So to learn to drive (control) the second car is actually much harder than the first car.

With a jump cue comes more opportunity both for success and for failure. Those that spend the time to learn how to use will be rewarded with higher rates of successful shots than those who just use it at the most basic level of making a ball hop another ball.
 
td873 said:
In fact, shaft jumping was (and still is) really easy - and can be done with any type of tip.
-td
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Go get an Elkmaster put on your shaft tomorrow, then tell me how easy it is with any kind of tip. I can only shaft jump with a shaft that has a hard tip. Le Pro, Triangle, or any layered tip. Elkmasters jump as high as white point guards in the NBA.
 
I play with a predator shaft on my cue and predators don't jump well because they are made for low deflection which takes the stiffness out of the end of the shaft that you need to jump a ball with. I'm not saying that you can't jump with a predator shaft if you want to, but i'd rather use my cheap jump cue for jumping rather than my predator shaft.

James
 
shawn armstrong


if i could rep every post you made i would.( not that that matters)

i can jump full a ball with my ts sneaky as close as 5-6 inches,(much more accurately than with a jump cue. its been said somewhere you shouldnt be able to to do it with a BB, but i do close to that with mine too. i truly dislike jump cues. i've used some analagies b4 that have been knocked... like when i bowl a 7-10 split i don't go grab a 3 foot wide bowling ball, you dont see a pro baseball players playing center field with 4 ft wide gloves, or tennis players with 3-4 ft wide rackets that at the last second might shoot out an extra foot or too to reach something they woulda missed cause they were out played. also i guess in the days when steroids are ok and they can be used to put your name into the history books any crutch is ok .... eff that!!! if everyone took steroids the people at the top of professional sports now would be fargin average... of course a great player without a jump cue will always smash an average player with one. sooo do youreally need a gimmick. oh yeah sure to beat the guy that sucks as much as you do who doesnt have one (who played a better shot on you than you were expecting).
most people i see jumping outa safes may just get the hit.. but then luck themselves into leaving a safe or sh!tty position for the guy who really safed em... arrrggg
 
Excellent point Jersey.

I have been away from the game for three weeks due to various reasons...

Anyway, I played again for the first time this past Wednesday. After a few drills I racked up the balls and played some 14.1 alone. (my league team evaporated while I was away)

Well, eventually I managed to safe myself by 1/2 ball, and used my full cue (the one I made) and jumped 1/2 ball and made the ball (not a far shot remember- this is straight) and held position with reasonable control.:)

I am moving toward the true old-school: One cue in a case with a spare shaft (maybe). Break, play, jump, whatever you need to do should be "in" that one cue. Before I was born, this was how it was done. Now-a-days, it seems every player looks like a cue dealer: they have a 3-butt/6-shaft case and a full arsenal of lumber. Watch for a rise in back injury in pool from carrying so much wood on their back...:grin:

I'm easy to spot: The only guy with a one-butt/two shaft case in the room!:wink:
 
Cue Guru said:
Now-a-days, it seems every player looks like a cue dealer: they have a 3-butt/6-shaft case and a full arsenal of lumber. Watch for a rise in back injury in pool from carrying so much wood on their back...:grin:

I'm easy to spot: The only guy with a one-butt/two shaft case in the room!:wink:
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Actually, three of the players in the room I frequent have hired caddies. They read shots together, and choose the proper cue for the proper shot. They carry 5x7 cases (5 butts, 7 shafts). They have two playing cues (one Low Deflection, one stiff, both with 2 shafts), two break cues (one phenolic tipped, one leather) and a jumper. I'm soon waiting for Predator to start making "optimized" cues in the future, similar to the new drivers in golf. Draw enhanced, follow enhanced, etc.
 
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