Do The Top Ten In The WPBA Beat The 9-ball Ghost?

[crawfish]

How tight are the pockets on this table you speak of in Greensboro? Johnnyt

Oh, my friend, they are tight. They claim 4 1/4. But, there are two of them I'd be willing to bet are 4 inch. I played some for $40 a game and was worried about getting out with six balls and ball in hand. Put it this way. You shoot a ball down the rail, and it had better be at the right speed. Earl won't play on it. He says it's BS. Disregarding the best men, oh wait, I'd better keep this on the silent button. I still might have action.

My point is.... On certain tables with the right setup there are thousands of people that can beat the ghost. But, one of the top five women in the world should be able to astound us, right? I guess I'll just donate like I always do.

 

[Johnnyt]

Oh, my friend, they are tight. They claim 4 1/4. But, there are two of them I'd be willing to bet are 4 inch. I played some for $40 a game and was worried about getting out with six balls and ball in hand. Put it this way. You shoot a ball down the rail, and it had better be at the right speed. Earl won't play on it. He says it's BS. Disregarding the best men, oh wait, I'd better keep this on the silent button. I still might have action.

My point is.... On certain tables with the right setup there are thousands of people that can beat the ghost. But, one of the top five women in the world should be able to astound us, right? I guess I'll just donate like I always do.

I sure wasn't talking about 4" to 4 1/4" pockets. I was talking normal 4 1/2" pockets on a Diamond or other brand table. On 4 1/2 I'd bet something. On 4" to 4 1/4" I wouldn't. Johnnyt

 

[crawfish]

I sure wasn't talking about 4" to 4 1/4" pockets. I was talking normal 4 1/2" pockets on a Diamond or other brand table. On 4 1/2 I'd bet something. On 4" to 4 1/4" I wouldn't. Johnnyt

You might even trap us on the 4 1/2 inchers on table 2 or 3. I've seen her play. She can play. But, a lot of things can happen playin' the ghost. Let's see. Two clusters. Two up and back on position. Two balls frozen to opposite corners on the side pockets. You know the drill. Even some of the top guys don't like to bet on a tight table. There's a fellow, local, that broke dead even with the ghost playing races to seven and then asked for a game going to seven. Kelly asked him for the eight and the last two. Just a thought.

 

[Ironman317]

I sure wasn't talking about 4" to 4 1/4" pockets. I was talking normal 4 1/2" pockets on a Diamond or other brand table. On 4 1/2 I'd bet something. On 4" to 4 1/4" I wouldn't. Johnnyt

line them up! if kelly or any of the other ladies want to play the 9 ball ghost 10 ahead on 4 1/2" pockets, i will bet from $1000- $5000...but we have to put up 2 sets.

 

[crawfish]

line them up! if kelly or any of the other ladies want to play the ghost 10 ahead on 4 1/2" pockets, i will bet from $1000- $5000...but we have to put up 2 sets.

Please PM me if you're serious. If you get Kelly or some of the others to come up, let me know. There's a plethora of action: Mike Fuller, Jeff Abernathy, Chewtobacca, BJ Ussery, Scott Lewis, Keith Bennett, etc. I hope you know how to match up in the den of thieves I deal with on a weekly basis.

 

[Ironman317]

Please PM me if you're serious. If you get Kelly or some of the others to come up, let me know. There's a plethora of action: Mike Fuller, Jeff Abernathy, Chewtobacca, BJ Ussery, Scott Lewis, Keith Bennett, etc. I hope you know how to match up in the den of thieves I deal with on a weekly basis.

im betting that she can't beat the 9 ball ghost in a 10 ahead set...are they gonna bet that she can?

 

[crawfish]

im betting that she can't beat the 9 ball ghost in a 10 ahead set...are they gonna bet that she can?

Yes, they were gonna bet she can. Dude, there are about 40 players around here that can match up with her. And I don't mean last four either. She might need weight from four or five of them within a 100 mile radius of here. Just those mentioned earlier I have to like all of them. I was there when little Tony offered her the seven. It never went down. I'll take just a little sumpin' and give it a whirl.

 

[Johnnyt]

line them up! if kelly or any of the other ladies want to play the 9 ball ghost 10 ahead on 4 1/2" pockets, i will bet from $1000- $5000...but we have to put up 2 sets.

Nah, you high rolled me on that bet...which isn't hard to do lol. Johnnyt AKA "EL NITO".:grin-square:

 

[JB Cases]

You might even trap us on the 4 1/2 inchers on table 2 or 3. I've seen her play. She can play. But, a lot of things can happen playin' the ghost. Let's see. Two clusters. Two up and back on position. Two balls frozen to opposite corners on the side pockets. You know the drill. Even some of the top guys don't like to bet on a tight table. There's a fellow, local, that broke dead even with the ghost playing races to seven and then asked for a game going to seven. Kelly asked him for the eight and the last two. Just a thought.

IF Kelly wants to play the ghost ahead sets with Ball in hand after the break I will bet $1000 per set and post two sets.

I am not betting on dash-for-the-cash.

So any time you are around her and she wants to do that either she has my automatic backing OR we can just bet on the side.

She beats the ghost on her own table with tight pockets so I don't see why she couldn't do it in your spot. But AS ALWAYS it's Kelly's call and if she gets that game and wants to play it then I will donate 2 sets on my conviction.

 

[JB Cases]

I pick the table. I will not fly anywhere for $100 a set. But, there are three of us that will go in for a buck a set on the front Diamond at Shooters in Greensboro. You sir, may bet $300 or more in races to nine betting on Kelly. I know how Chewy came out. I would also bet on Chewy playing Kelly. Man, you really have a thing for Kelly. She is a great player, but the ghost can be a bear if the balls don't spread right. Yes, break and ball in hand. There we have it. And it's half way between Charlotte and Raleigh. Hour and 15 min. For both of us. One of us might win a grand. Not surgeon wages, but a fun afternoon. I am not being aggressive here. Just using what little knowledge I have. Hell, on a fast table, good rails, 5 inch pockets, you and I might beat the ghost. I was hidden in the wings and have seen you play, also. Not too shabby, my fantastic casemaker. Not too shabby.

I just outed you.

LOL I couldn't beat the ghost if I was allowed to drop the balls in the pockets.

The set with Chewy was a gaffe. We had $5000 to post and Chewy's backer didn't show up and that put Kelly on ice for four hours. At the end of it Chewy and his two buddies were able to scratch up $1200 and Kelly didn't really want to play but we all wanted her to play so she played. Chewy's break was on and he was playing six ball as he does when his break works. No doubt he played better in that set.

But I find it hilarious that all we asked for was ALTERNATE breaks in the second set and they said no. That's not even asking for weight.

I'd put Kelly back in action against Chewy all day any day on a tighter table with alternate breaks. I know Derek can flat play but so can Kelly and you know she can. She beat Jeff Abernathy on the same table with no spot.

I am in China so like I said if Kelly wants to play the ghost with ball in hand then I am in on her side of it no matter what table she picks. You can just count me in for an automatic four sets at $100 per set without asking me. If she chooses to play the nine ball ghost on a carom table you still have action.

Just come on here and tell me how much I owe you or how much you owe me if it goes down. I think my word is good enough here.

 

[akaTrigger]

I know there are some on here that follow the WPBA tournaments and some that play in the same rooms as some of the ladies. Do the the top ten beat the 9-ball ghost over 50% of the time? Johnnyt

I would say YES.

 

[tucson9ball]

Top 10.......

I know there are some on here that follow the WPBA tournaments and some that play in the same rooms as some of the ladies. Do the the top ten beat the 9-ball ghost over 50% of the time? I have heard that Kelly Fisher does, and I'm sure a few more of them can. Johnnyt

Based on just the top 10, I woul dhave to say yes. They should all beat the 9 ball ghost at least 50% of the time. I have only played Ana Kastanian in a tournament, and that was almost 2 years ago. I would say she could beat the ghost back then, I hear she is even better now.
I have only tried the ghost a couple times in 9 ball and won each time. So, I would say the top 10 could do it probably 70%-80% at least.

 

[crawfish]

LOL I couldn't beat the ghost if I was allowed to drop the balls in the pockets.

The set with Chewy was a gaffe. We had $5000 to post and Chewy's backer didn't show up and that put Kelly on ice for four hours. At the end of it Chewy and his two buddies were able to scratch up $1200 and Kelly didn't really want to play but we all wanted her to play so she played. Chewy's break was on and he was playing six ball as he does when his break works. No doubt he played better in that set.

But I find it hilarious that all we asked for was ALTERNATE breaks in the second set and they said no. That's not even asking for weight.

I'd put Kelly back in action against Chewy all day any day on a tighter table with alternate breaks. I know Derek can flat play but so can Kelly and you know she can. She beat Jeff Abernathy on the same table with no spot.

I am in China so like I said if Kelly wants to play the ghost with ball in hand then I am in on her side of it no matter what table she picks. You can just count me in for an automatic four sets at $100 per set without asking me. If she chooses to play the nine ball ghost on a carom table you still have action.

Just come on here and tell me how much I owe you or how much you owe me if it goes down. I think my word is good enough here.

Dude, you and I would get along just fine. I kind of feel the same way about Chewy's break. I might play with alternate breaks and the eight. He came to my poolroom and I was offered the last two. I really wasn't in the mood to battle. He's tough to beat with winner breaks. I did watch him give the eight and the break to the guy from Wilmington and run over him. I couldn't believe it. I'd have bet the other way.

Side note: This is all a lie, if it kills any action. Just a dead nut lie.

 

[crawfish]

Based on just the top 10, I woul dhave to say yes. They should all beat the 9 ball ghost at least 50% of the time. I have only played Ana Kastanian in a tournament, and that was almost 2 years ago. I would say she could beat the ghost back then, I hear she is even better now.
I have only tried the ghost a couple times in 9 ball and won each time. So, I would say the top 10 could do it probably 70%-80% at least.

I'm betting NOONE beats the ghost 80% of the time. Period. You got me. You do realize that's 8/10? I tell you what, you can have Shane, and I'll take eight on the wire to ten.

 

[tucson9ball]

hmmm....

I'm betting NOONE beats the ghost 80% of the time. Period. You got me. You do realize that's 8/10? I tell you what, you can have Shane, and I'll take eight on the wire to ten.

I was meaning they beat the ghost in a race to 10. I did not mean 10 racks in a row.

 

[crawfish]

I was meaning they beat the ghost in a race to 10. I did not mean 10 racks in a row.

Race to ten. You got me. If they beat it 80% of the time, that would be eight games. If you mean they beat the ghost in a race to ten, eight outta ten times, you can bet that too.

 

[Ironman317]

Race to ten. You got me. If they beat it 80% of the time, that would be eight games. If you mean they beat the ghost in a race to ten, eight outta ten times, you can bet that too.

not necesarrily..they could beat it 8 out of 10 sets.

 

[Cory in DC]

Race to ten. You got me. If they beat it 80% of the time, that would be eight games. If you mean they beat the ghost in a race to ten, eight outta ten times, you can bet that too.

I did some calculations for another thread on the ghost and came up with this:

For a pro to win 95% of races to 9 vs. the ghost only requires that the pro have about a 69% chance of getting out in each individual rack. If the odds of getting out go up to 75%, the pro wins nearly 99% of races to 9. (So be careful when someone better than you asks for a long race.)

Even if the pro is only 60% to get out each rack, he's still a 4 to 1 favorite to win the race to 9.​

So if a player has a 60% chance of getting out with BIH after the break then it's very close to an even bet that the player will/won't win 8 of 10 races to 9 against the ghost. A race to 10 is slightly more favorable to the shooter than a race to 9.

Cory

 

[crawfish]

I did some calculations for another thread on the ghost and came up with this:

For a pro to win 95% of races to 9 vs. the ghost only requires that the pro have about a 69% chance of getting out in each individual rack. If the odds of getting out go up to 75%, the pro wins nearly 99% of races to 9. (So be careful when someone better than you asks for a long race.)

Even if the pro is only 60% to get out each rack, he's still a 4 to 1 favorite to win the race to 9.​

So if a player has a 60% chance of getting out with BIH after the break then it's very close to an even bet that the player will/won't win 8 of 10 races to 9 against the ghost. A race to 10 is slightly more favorable to the shooter than a race to 9.

Cory

Calculate all you want. In ten races to ten, if I get eight games, you're toast overall. In races to nine, for him to win eighty percent of the time, come on. Find me someone that will take that bet first. Guess I'll book a loser. I tell you what. I'll let any pro play the ghost on a tight table and I'll take your 4-1 on the money. Find me someone to give me that bet. This conversation is ridiculous.

I just went back and read your calculations. Do you realize what you just said? Unreal. It makes no sense. Fu#% it. Find me someone to give me 4-1 on the money playing the ghost races to nine and you can get paid. No 5 1/2 inch pockets, either.

 

[Cory in DC]

Calculate all you want. In ten races to ten, if I get eight games, you're toast overall. In races to nine, for him to win eighty percent of the time, come on. Find me someone that will take that bet first. Guess I'll book a loser. I tell you what. I'll let any pro play the ghost on a tight table and I'll take your 4-1 on the money. Find me someone to give me that bet. This conversation is ridiculous.

I just went back and read your calculations. Do you realize what you just said? Unreal. It makes no sense. Fu#% it. Find me someone to give me 4-1 on the money playing the ghost races to nine and you can get paid. No 5 1/2 inch pockets, either.

You don't get any games in this example. Each and every race to 10 is even: either the ghost or the player gets to 10 first. If the player gets to 10 first, that's one "win." Repeat 10 times (i.e., do ten races-to-10).

The statement is that a player who runs out 60% of racks will, on average, win eight of the ten races-to-10 against the ghost.

I didn't do the math, but the calculation should be symmetric. If your skill is such that you get out less than 40% of racks then giving you 4:1 would be a good bet. Since you're eager to take 4:1, you probably average 40% or better against the ghost.