Do The Top Ten In The WPBA Beat The 9-ball Ghost?

[tucson9ball]

Ghost....

Race to ten. You got me. If they beat it 80% of the time, that would be eight games. If you mean they beat the ghost in a race to ten, eight outta ten times, you can bet that too.

What I mean is they beat the ghost to a race to 10. This could be a score of 10-9 or 10-7. I would never bet that they will beat the ghost 10-2.
I think what you are saying is 80% on every rack. I just mean 80% in the race to 10. If anybody can break and get ball in hand after, a pro should have better than a 50% chance on every rack. This means thay should win every race to 10 unless things go terribly wrong with clusters.

 

[crawfish]

What I mean is they beat the ghost to a race to 10. This could be a score of 10-9 or 10-7. I would never bet that they will beat the ghost 10-2.
I think what you are saying is 80% on every rack. I just mean 80% in the race to 10. If anybody can break and get ball in hand after, a pro should have better than a 50% chance on every rack. This means thay should win every race to 10 unless things go terribly wrong with clusters.

Once again, I'll take 4-1 on each and every race on a tight table. If your calculations are correct, you'll will give me my first gambling loss in over four months. (except that one football game where I was stealing and my team smoked ten rocks before the game).

 

[crawfish]

You don't get any games in this example. Each and every race to 10 is even: either the ghost or the player gets to 10 first. If the player gets to 10 first, that's one "win." Repeat 10 times (i.e., do ten races-to-10).

The statement is that a player who runs out 60% of racks will, on average, win eight of the ten races-to-10 against the ghost.

I didn't do the math, but the calculation should be symmetric. If your skill is such that you get out less than 40% of racks then giving you 4:1 would be a good bet. Since you're eager to take 4:1, you probably average 40% or better against the ghost.

No, I'll take 4-1 and let anyone you bring me play a race to ten on my pick of table a race to ten. They can't quit until I'm ready to quit if I am behind. ANYONE.....

 

[Cory in DC]

No, I'll take 4-1 and let anyone you bring me play a race to ten on my pick of table a race to ten. They can't quit until I'm ready to quit if I am behind. ANYONE.....

Is it this table?

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Kidding aside, if there's a player who gets out over 60% of the time on the table you pick, the my point is that it's a good bet for me.

For the table you have in mind, do you think anyone is good enough to beat the ghost in, say, 70% of racks? I know there are players who can do that on a 4.5" pocket Diamond or Brunswick. Who knows about on a tighter table.

 

[tucson9ball]

Odds?........

Once again, I'll take 4-1 on each and every race on a tight table. If your calculations are correct, you'll will give me my first gambling loss in over four months. (except that one football game where I was stealing and my team smoked ten rocks before the game).

I was saying that they would win more often than not. I don't recall saying anything about odds of 4-1 on each set. I can see why you don't lose on many bets. I would be willing to bet even money on a race to 10.:smile:

 

[crawfish]

I was saying that they would win more often than not. I don't recall saying anything about odds of 4-1 on each set. I can see why you don't lose on many bets. I would be willing to bet even money on a race to 10.:smile:

Maybe it was the other guy talking about how they are 4-1 favorites. Hey, I make bad games just to get action around here.

 

[crawfish]

Is it this table?

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Kidding aside, if there's a player who gets out over 60% of the time on the table you pick, the my point is that it's a good bet for me.

For the table you have in mind, do you think anyone is good enough to beat the ghost in, say, 70% of racks? I know there are players who can do that on a 4.5" pocket Diamond or Brunswick. Who knows about on a tighter table.

Even if they get out 70%, 4-1 makes you go broke. I can win one set in five and be even.

 

[grindz]

You're a good WOOFER!!!!!!!!

Once again, I'll take 4-1 on each and every race on a tight table. If your calculations are correct, you'll will give me my first gambling loss in over four months. (except that one football game where I was stealing and my team smoked ten rocks before the game).

I think you should change your screen name. :wink:

You've successfully taken a thread about beating the ghost even up... to beating him, giving him 8 games to 10, and now want 4-1 on the odds. You are HILARIOUS. I'm glad once again that I don't gamble.

Although if I did.... I would want to bet on your side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:smile:

Woof on craw.... do you do card tricks too??

td

 

[Cory in DC]

Even if they get out 70%, 4-1 makes you go broke. I can win one set in five and be even.

I must not be being clear. The hypothetical bet is not that you're a 4-1 underdog.

Only the hypothetical Pro-speed player who gets out on 70% of individual racks on a given table would ever play in my example. The bet would then be whether the player would win 8 of 10 races-to-ten vs. the ghost. If I knew a player was 70% to get out in each rack (on the table you pick), then I'd bet he or she would win 8 of 10 races, lay 4:1 odds, and like it.

Point is, if the race is long enough and the player is above 50%, then they will crush the ghost. If they don't, then they're by definition not above 50%.

 

[tucson9ball]

Top 10 on WPBA.........

I know there are some on here that follow the WPBA tournaments and some that play in the same rooms as some of the ladies. Do the the top ten beat the 9-ball ghost over 50% of the time? I have heard that Kelly Fisher does, and I'm sure a few more of them can. Johnnyt

Sorry the thread got hijacked for a while. Back to main poster: I answer "YES" they can beat the ghost.:thumbup: