Do you conciously use a touch of inside

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to offset the CIT ( by little deflection/squirt ).
And I think most of us know that in semi-straight in shots, you can aim the tip to the contact point from a little inside of the cue ball and make the ball when stroked right.
 
Sometimes the last balls are ducks and I'll use inside to cinch 'em and probably subconsciously to thin the hits but that's just laziness and not a good habit to develop.
 
JoeyInCali said:
to offset the CIT ( by little deflection/squirt ).
And I think most of us know that in semi-straight in shots, you can aim the tip to the contact point from a little inside of the cue ball and make the ball when stroked right.
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I don't use it for either of those reasons - there are easier, more reliable ways for those. I only use side when it's needed for shape.

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Patrick Johnson said:
I don't use it for either of those reasons - there are easier, more reliable ways for those. I only use side when it's needed for shape.

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Well, when shooting the money ball, you don't need to worry much about shape.
Good thing about the money ball is , they are often a striped ball .
 
JoeyInCali said:
to offset the CIT ( by little deflection/squirt ).
And I think most of us know that in semi-straight in shots, you can aim the tip to the contact point from a little inside of the cue ball and make the ball when stroked right.
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Wrong as usual
 
I do use touch of inside some shots. I find it useful to counter habit for throwing balls in with outside.
Also if cue deflection is quite low. I feel it gives more margin of error to stroke mechanics. CJ talking about TOI made me try it.
IMO many people would benefit trying it. As they use gearing outside to make balls in and that why their pocketing suffers when they can't use outside.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
How does it do that?

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Lets say we have 10 degree cut. I hit OB to right. So i use touch of left.
If i jerk my stroke to left, my aim goes to left but i get more deflection that pushes cueball to right. If they get nicely balanced i still make ball.
Now if i hit accidently centerball, my aim goes right but there is no deflection, so again i probably make ball.
As CJ suggests this works very well with firm stroke but works pretty good slower speed too if my cue is level.
 
Poolmanis said:
Lets say we have 10 degree cut. I hit OB to right. So i use touch of left.
If i jerk my stroke to left, my aim goes to left but i get more deflection that pushes cueball to right. If they get nicely balanced i still make ball.
Now if i hit accidently centerball, my aim goes right but there is no deflection, so again i probably make ball.
As CJ suggests this works very well with firm stroke but works pretty good slower speed too if my cue is level.
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As I've said to CJ before, all of this true no matter where you try to hit the CB, even centerball. You don't gain anything by favoring non-center hits.

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Patrick Johnson said:
As I've said to CJ before, all of this true no matter where you try to hit the CB, even centerball. You don't gain anything by favoring non-center hits.

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Yes. Of course it act same way with centerball too. I just say it seem to work me better on some shots. Especially low angle stun shots with speed.
As I said earlier, it is good way to get rid of habit using outside to make balls. Which is good, but can come weakness if use too much.
 
Poolmanis said:
Yes. Of course it act same way with centerball too. I just say it seem to work me better on some shots. Especially low angle stun shots with speed.
As I said earlier, it is good way to get rid of habit using outside to make balls. Which is good, but can come weakness if use too much.
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Sometimes to the eyes of a senior citizen (with beginning cataracts) like myself, an optical illusion can occur. At the most unusual times at the table.
I'd absolutely SWEAR a shot is a known CTE perception (I use that method of aiming) and I'll miss by a half diamond. Repetition produces the exact same result. Since there exists no stroking errors, deduction leads me to a visual error. I've found that a touch of inside on those rare shots ensures the ball going in. It has its place in the procedures.
 
It may just be mental and not real but I believe a touch of inside or outside minimizes the chance of a skid and allows you to shoot softer without worrying about that happening.
 
Low500 said:
Sometimes to the eyes of a senior citizen (with beginning cataracts) like myself, an optical illusion can occur. At the most unusual times at the table.
I'd absolutely SWEAR a shot is a known CTE perception (I use that method of aiming) and I'll miss by a half diamond. Repetition produces the exact same result. Since there exists no stroking errors, deduction leads me to a visual error. I've found that a touch of inside on those rare shots ensures the ball going in. It has its place in the procedures.
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So you go center to edge, edge to A or C ( but A or C is too much of a cut really, so you have to in-betweener ) depending on the side of the small cut, pivot to center then pivot to the TOI ?
Please , with your vision now, there is very little chance you can consistently see the ABC reference points correctly and consistently .
Best you can do is vicinity .

And, BTW, you flip flopped on this thread already.
From saying I was wrong to saying you use TOI.
 
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JC said:
It may just be mental and not real but I believe a touch of inside or outside minimizes the chance of a skid and allows you to shoot softer without worrying about that happening.
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I rarely use center ball.
The reasons vary from your point about a skid being less likely to addressing the issue of throw.
Gearing english is an example but cut angle, pace and distance can make that a different can of worms.
I use convergent inside which is NOT TOI as defined by CJ. but owes some of its underpinnings to insights from CJ’s azb posts.
It is based on the dynamics of small amounts of side.
As many posters have revealed here, their reasons vary for using side and part of it is shot identification.
As PJ noted there are situations where side is needed off contact to change angles for position, otherwise he is biased towards center ball.
A bias towards off center ball leaves that player better equipped to have a good sense of off center hit variations.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
So you go center to edge, edge to A or C ( but A or C is too much of a cut really, so you have to in-betweener ) depending on the side of the small cut, pivot to center then pivot to the TOI ?
Please , with your vision now, there is very little chance you can consistently see the ABC reference points right .
Best you can do is vicinity .
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You talking to me or Pete? I just aim and fire away. My mind recalls the other 1000 times I saw the same shot and how it went.
 
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