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A skid occurs when the ball gets more traction or resistance than normal.
A bit of chalk/lint at the ball base or a ball sitting in a hole in the cloth require more force to overcome inertia resulting in a slight forward lurch once that occurs can be a skid reason.
Alternately, a chip, chalk or matter stuck on either balls surface at the contact point can cause a clinging contact.
The effect is different as angles change.
A spinning ball that just walks along the surface is like a tire that gets immediate traction.
A gearing effect can occur as surface friction is increased depending on angle outside the normal gearing spin rate.
Increased traction from matter can drag the ball forward despite gearing being applied, a cling effect.
On larger angle cuts, the same cling can throw the ball more.
The idea of a spinning ball reducing skid/cling effects is that it’s hard for a moving slippery surface to be grabbed.
A halfback spins away from contact making him harder to grasp.
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You do not really deserve this gem of information because of your foul attitude at times and snarky comments at other times. But I feel charitable today toward your ignorance.
(and don't lecture about "me doing the same thing as you do". I'm trying to improve on that stuff)
Anyway............in my younger years, long ago, Lassiter opened up to a bunch of hitters who were here in Florida gambling like crazy. Joe Balsis, Eddie Kelly, The Squirrel, Danny Jones, (and I was there keeping my big mouth shut watching and listening).
Wimp's words were........"There's one thing every player does when shooting the money ball that is different from what he does on all the other balls. And it isn't pressure. He plays no position for another shot. That sometimes BREAKS UP HIS RHYTHM, changes his concentration, and causes him to dog the shot. I always play some simple imaginary position for an imaginary ball when I'm on that case ball".
Do with it as you see fit.
Neither of these are causes of skid.
This is the cause of skid: excess friction at the point of contact between the balls.
That's "gearing" spin.
That's only true for inside spin. Outside spin reduces friction/throw the opposite way, by causing the CB to "walk along the surface" of the OB.
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An object in motion is harder to grab than a stationary one.
While a sticky one gets traction quicker And at a slower speed, gearing sooner.
If I want my slipping tire to get traction, slowing down its rotation until it catches works better than more speed.
Something with more grip than the normal surface can be grabbed and flung more easily.
Baseball players and spin rate comparing old and new rules comes to mind.
Anything that changes the normal direction of the object ball off contact usually gets termed a skid or cling, regardless of the cause.
Getting tied up in semantic wrangling doesn’t change the result.
Extra friction on contact will have effects regardless of direction of spin, and cut angle makes a difference, as well as speed and spin rate.
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Nit picking in some of the places I’ve played pool would be asking for trouble.
The sun doesn’t rise or go down either but correcting people doesn’t change their perception.
It’s more likely to be labeled a “wtf” at the table.
Correcting inaccurate statements isn't nitpicking on a pool discussion forum (maybe in some of the places you play pool).
pj
chgo
Ok pj, lets hear your “official” definition/distinction between ”cling” and “skid”?
Please . That's not a jewel of an information .
Shoot the money ball and be aware of the tangent line .
Most of the pros draw the cue ball when shooting the money ball .
It's easier to see the hit when the tip is on the felt and draw minimizes the skid .
You are the one with a foul attitude . Complete with made up LIES.
Your explanations of the mechanics of skid/cling and so forth are both unclear and almost completely wrong. It's not a matter of "semantic wrangling." It's a matter of clear communication. You fail in that.
The way they're usually used in pool, no difference - I think I've heard snooker players might use them differently. That's about as official as it gets for terms like that.
Does that have something to do with this? Are you about to offer me a $10K bet?
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Don’t you think there is a difference between a skid caused by debris on the table, or a micro hole in the cloth or a indentation in the spot area?
Compare that to any substance stuck to the ball which when contacted by another ball deviates it’s path, don’t you sense a difference?
Don’t both usually cause a ball path deviation?
I've never heard that called skid or cling. Maybe "rolloff"...
There's an obvious difference - that's why their names are different.
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Low 500, being the ever opportunist and a greedy old bastard as well, recognizes that even The Johnson can occasionally pick a winner and offers to go in halves with his arch enemy on this one.
****Being totally aware that a massive dump into the well known "pool room river" is probably lurking.
Maybe if the ball is already rolling, rolloff fits.
If an object ball, at rest, ends up skidding instead of rolling because of having to overcome an impediment when initiating forward movement, that’s a skid.
Both a skid and cling occur upon contact.
Sounds like it would have the opposite effect - rolling immediately instead of the usual initial slide.
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chgo
So players are choosing to call an immediately rolling ball a “skid”???
Language is about description of experience.
When someone describes their perceptual interaction as a cling, that is their experience.
When someone uses the word skid instead, to describe their experience, I believe them.