Do you know what happens to your cue inside your case?

[JB Cases]

Well just be clear, this is the footage being debated.

When a case falls from a standing position, what you are showing doesn't happen. The base is obvisouly touching the ground already, so showing it being the "top" is disingenuous.

As far as the makeup of the second case and the depth of the sleeve, I don't own one so I cannot attest to the internal construction.

JV

Joe the fall test is simply a way to be able to film what is happening. If for example the case were to fall off a shoulder or a table then it's possible that the bottom of the case would be jarred a lot. And as far as that goes even in the fall test where the case is pivoting at the bottom there would still be oscillation and crashing at the bottom of the case. The force waves don't just stop because one part of the case is already on the floor. As can be seen the whole case bounces. Look at the one where the case falls off the bar. it doesn't just hit the floor and stop dead, it bounces.

 

[classiccues]

Sure if a case fell out of a plane at 10000 feet, it hit the ground and ricocheted off a pigeon, do you know what would happen? Lets be realistic, most impacts are of the variety of the case just falling flat over from the ground. Can someone drop it off their counter? Sure they could or off the bar? OK who would have their case opened on a "bar" flat down? In my opinion taking the extreme side of day to day is rediculous when you know that that is NOT whats going to happen to the case.

Sure there would be some bouncing. Do you think hitting the floor in full dress will be same as showing them bounce off a table cushion?

JV

Joe the fall test is simply a way to be able to film what is happening. If for example the case were to fall off a shoulder or a table then it's possible that the bottom of the case would be jarred a lot. And as far as that goes even in the fall test where the case is pivoting at the bottom there would still be oscillation and crashing at the bottom of the case. The force waves don't just stop because one part of the case is already on the floor. As can be seen the whole case bounces. Look at the one where the case falls off the bar. it doesn't just hit the floor and stop dead, it bounces.

 

[JB Cases]

Sure if a case fell out of a plane at 10000 feet, it hit the ground and ricocheted off a pigeon, do you know what would happen? Lets be realistic, most impacts are of the variety of the case just falling flat over from the ground. Can someone drop it off their counter? Sure they could or off the bar? OK who would have their case opened on a "bar" flat down? In my opinion taking the extreme side of day to day is rediculous when you know that that is NOT whats going to happen to the case.

Sure there would be some bouncing. Do you think hitting the floor in full dress will be same as showing them bounce off a table cushion?

JV

What about if a case is in a car and the car is on a bumpy road? Is it better to have more cushioning or less cushioning between the parts. All of us have hit a really jarring hole or a speed bump from time to time.

On here several people have reported that their cues were damaged while in cases from such bumpy drives. Maybe they are mistaken but if the case they were using were more padded then they would not have even thought to consider that the crashing of the cue parts was due to little to no padding.

 

[classiccues]

Really? In which case any case could take a few bumps in the road, there isn't a case on the market, well maybe 2 or 3 that I think I would have issues with, over a bumpy road.

My Justis has hit plenty of potholes, I have 4 wheeled with the case in my backseat and it hit the floor when I stopped short of a tree, no dings.

JV

What about if a case is in a car and the car is on a bumpy road? Is it better to have more cushioning or less cushioning between the parts. All of us have hit a really jarring hole or a speed bump from time to time.

On here several people have reported that their cues were damaged while in cases from such bumpy drives. Maybe they are mistaken but if the case they were using were more padded then they would not have even thought to consider that the crashing of the cue parts was due to little to no padding.

 

[RoadHustler]

Pretty sure the only thing that happens to my cue when its in my case is beautiful dreams of sinking balls with startling regularity.... I have a wave case

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[classiccues]

The Minimal Padding case does NOT allow the cues to touch at the top where the shafts are below the lip of the case. That same interior though only has thin nylon from about 3-4 inches down and does not reach all the way to the bottom. Thus the cues not only touch at the bottom but they are even more violently flung together due to the fact that they are held at the top.

I am downloading Adobe Premier now.

Does your padding go all the way down? Or are the shafts dangling in Nylon or some other material?

JV

 

[JB Cases]

Does your padding go all the way down? Or are the shafts dangling in Nylon or some other material?

JV

Our cases are padded more at the top and bottom and the center is left with less padding to insure that there is no lateral pressure on the parts through the center.

The Wave Cases are built with free floating sleeve with each sleeve padded at the bottom and extra padding around the perimeter.

Just finished downloading Premiere. My analysis shows no touching. I will explain it in more detail with a case held clamped down later.

 

[JB Cases]

Really? In which case any case could take a few bumps in the road, there isn't a case on the market, well maybe 2 or 3 that I think I would have issues with, over a bumpy road.

My Justis has hit plenty of potholes, I have 4 wheeled with the case in my backseat and it hit the floor when I stopped short of a tree, no dings.

JV

Lucky you. Other people weren't so lucky as reported on AZB. Also you have tubes, they are different than the ProLite. I dare you to go fourwheeling with a prolite and your most expensive cues inside it.

Do that and post the video of the treatment the case gets. Show us how it is jostled and bounces around. In fact you could strap one of those gopro cameras to it so we can also see what it feels like from the cases' perspective.

I am sure Jack will be willing to send you a ProLite to use for the test. He should send you two of them, the prolite and the newer sport interior which is the better one.

 

[SplicedPoints]

I don't quite understand this argument.

Is it worst to have too much protection than to have not enough?
I know that for 95%+ of the time the cue's in my case it's safe with any kind of interior or exterior. But that shouldn't be a reason to say a better interior is not needed. Thinking in the extremes is what's needed to offer better protection/safety. For example, bridge architects must build in extreme stress loading on the bridges in their design to make sure they are safe enough.

I'm sure everyone's seen or experienced a potentially cue damaging event for which a padded interior is preferable. The event doesn't have to be as dramatic as a case falling out of a plane.

Sure if a case fell out of a plane at 10000 feet, it hit the ground and ricocheted off a pigeon, do you know what would happen? Lets be realistic, most impacts are of the variety of the case just falling flat over from the ground. Can someone drop it off their counter? Sure they could or off the bar? OK who would have their case opened on a "bar" flat down? In my opinion taking the extreme side of day to day is rediculous when you know that that is NOT whats going to happen to the case.

Sure there would be some bouncing. Do you think hitting the floor in full dress will be same as showing them bounce off a table cushion?

JV

 

[TommyLee]

Oh great...

I have. 2x4 case, It's fairly nice 200$ nothing crazy. It's a tube case but it seems the cues do bounce around a tad. My pechauer has no dings thank god but I'm getting a pfd titlist here in the next 3-6 months and as my first custom ill wrap it in bubble wrap before I let it get damaged...is it in my best interest to cough up the extra cash for a nice case I know will keep my cues well protected?

 

[Jive]

I don't quite understand this argument.

Is it worst to have too much protection than to have not enough?
I know that for 95%+ of the time the cue's in my case it's safe with any kind of interior or exterior. But that shouldn't be a reason to say a better interior is not needed. Thinking in the extremes is what's needed to offer better protection/safety. For example, bridge architects must build in extreme stress loading on the bridges in their design to make sure they are safe enough.

I'm sure everyone's seen or experienced a potentially cue damaging event for which a padded interior is preferable. The event doesn't have to be as dramatic as a case falling out of a plane.

Well said buddy!~ :thumbup:

 

[trob]

Note to self... classic cues doesn't find extra cue protection all that important.. don't buy anything from them lol

You justice fan boys suuurrrreeee are getting desperate. Since when is more protection a bad thing?

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HEARD MY CUES BANGING BACK AND FOURTH IN MY CASE SIMPLY BY WALKING WITH MY CASE ON MY SHOULDER? Now with my jb interior I hear nothing moving! :thumbup:

 

[classiccues]

They touch, and no spin you can apply will change that.

JV

Our cases are padded more at the top and bottom and the center is left with less padding to insure that there is no lateral pressure on the parts through the center.

The Wave Cases are built with free floating sleeve with each sleeve padded at the bottom and extra padding around the perimeter.

Just finished downloading Premiere. My analysis shows no touching. I will explain it in more detail with a case held clamped down later.

 

[JB Cases]

I have. 2x4 case, It's fairly nice 200$ nothing crazy. It's a tube case but it seems the cues do bounce around a tad. My pechauer has no dings thank god but I'm getting a pfd titlist here in the next 3-6 months and as my first custom ill wrap it in bubble wrap before I let it get damaged...is it in my best interest to cough up the extra cash for a nice case I know will keep my cues well protected?

You can get our interiors on cases costing less than $100.

www.cuesight.com and www.sterlingcase.com

and www.jbcases.com/basicrugged.html

Get whatever level of protection you feel comfortable with. Some people contend that it's ok when a cue bangs around but a lot of the cue makers I spoke with don't feel that excess movement is good for a cue.

My opinion on this is that no matter how you look at this is a thin sliver of wood parts held together by glue and screws. It's not a baseball bat, it's a fine instrument. Cuemakers have done a FINE job making it fairly tough for how it's constructed but why subject it to more stress than needed?

A little padding goes a long way is the way I see it.

And in EVERY other industry the best and most protective cases are the ones which are well padded. In every other hobby and profession people pack their gear with padding so why should pool be any different.

I mean don't take my word for it. Just go around the web and look at guitar cases, violin cases, camera bags, fishing rod cases, any type of hobby or profession the VERY BEST cases tout their form fitting and protective padding. Consistently in reviews the bags and cases which win are the ones that are the most protective.

 

[classiccues]

No one said extra protection was not importantm or when is too much just pure b.s..

The video shown is in question, not the protection issue.

JV

Note to self... classic cues doesn't find extra cue protection all that important.. don't buy anything from them lol

You justice fan boys suuurrrreeee are getting desperate. Since when is more protection a bad thing?

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HEARD MY CUES BANGING BACK AND FOURTH IN MY CASE SIMPLY BY WALKING WITH MY CASE ON MY SHOULDER? Now with my jb interior I hear nothing moving! :thumbup:

 

[classiccues]

Thats right, I have a tube case, by Justis. Works well, and doesn't damage the cues. As far as the other speculatory stuff, earmark it for one of your tests.

Do they make 4x4 rikshaws?

JV

Lucky you. Other people weren't so lucky as reported on AZB. Also you have tubes, they are different than the ProLite. I dare you to go fourwheeling with a prolite and your most expensive cues inside it.

Do that and post the video of the treatment the case gets. Show us how it is jostled and bounces around. In fact you could strap one of those gopro cameras to it so we can also see what it feels like from the cases' perspective.

I am sure Jack will be willing to send you a ProLite to use for the test. He should send you two of them, the prolite and the newer sport interior which is the better one.

 

[classiccues]

I got the shafts to touch in a wave case just by squeezing the top of the shell with 2 fingers. There is no doubt that the case falling from a standing position, hitting an edge, will get the shafts to touch. The video shows this, multiple times.

The important issue, and your words, "if they touch for a microsecond, it doesn't matter"... well thats how long it takes for a ding to occur.

JV

Our cases are padded more at the top and bottom and the center is left with less padding to insure that there is no lateral pressure on the parts through the center.

The Wave Cases are built with free floating sleeve with each sleeve padded at the bottom and extra padding around the perimeter.

Just finished downloading Premiere. My analysis shows no touching. I will explain it in more detail with a case held clamped down later.

 

[JB Cases]

They touch, and no spin you can apply will change that.

JV

I think you're right and I have figured out why. As I said though we can fix any problem we find.

Everyone here knows that we don't make excuses we adapt and innovate. The interiors I sent to Blake were slightly lower at the lip than normal thus creating a space where with the right hit just on the edge of the tube the compression can make the shafts touch for a fraction of a second.

And I do mean a fraction of a second. The padding still does it's job and the cues are back apart in an instant. This is easy to see. The amount of force applied to them is not enough to cause damage in my opinion given that they are barely touching for so little time.

I already know how to fix it so that even this can't happen. I will show the fix later in the week.

It still does not change the fact that in the other drop tests the cues did not touch with our interiors, both Organic Rebound and UltraPad, the cues did not touch. And in all the tests the cues inside the other two cases did crash together loudly. In the minimal padded interior the cues did not crash together at the top but they did at the bottom, every time. This is because in that interior the shafts were fully enclosed in the cavity making them difficult to remove from the case. However the protection ONLY extended down about 3" and the rest was thin nylon.

So thank you for alerting me to this. I will fix it and send the new interior to Blake for testing. When he has time he will film it dropping ten times in a row to show what happens. And for a fair comparison I will send one of the Justis Sport interiors also to be tested.

The bottom line is that our interiors are still much more protective than unpadded and minimally padded interiors.

 

[trob]

this to me is the equivalent of someone saying don't put the airbags in my car because the odds are I'll never need them so why bother with the extra protection lol The only people who are arguing this are the justice fan boys who feel it's degrading a precious justice case by putting some simple padding in it. I am and always will worry more about what i use to play this game then a piece of leather and plastic that I use to protect them and carry them around.

 

[JB Cases]

Thats right, I have a tube case, by Justis. Works well, and doesn't damage the cues. As far as the other speculatory stuff, earmark it for one of your tests.

Do they make 4x4 rikshaws?

JV

So you won't go fourwheeling with a ProLite and your most expensive cues?

I got the shafts to touch in a wave case just by squeezing the top of the shell with 2 fingers. There is no doubt that the case falling from a standing position, hitting an edge, will get the shafts to touch. The video shows this, multiple times.

The important issue, and your words, "if they touch for a microsecond, it doesn't matter"... well thats how long it takes for a ding to occur.

JV

Of course a ding occurs in a microsecond BUT there must also be significant force. That's where the padding comes in - you don't know if the collars are kissing or punching.

I contend that they are barely kissing in our case - and this will be made impossible in a few days - and that they are being PUNCHED in the other interiors.

I bet if we take pristine cues and drop test them in all the interiors for hundreds of drops the cues in our cases will come out with either zero or very very minor dings and the cues in the other interiors will come out with many dings.

And in a few days I will bet that the cues in our next generation interiors will come out with zero dings after hundreds of drops. As I said, I take protection seriously and our interiors are still better despite the fact that I sent interiors for testing that were not 100% correct. Even our flawed interior is better than the stock interiors on our competitor's product.

And our video only shows possible touching ONE time, the very last drop test of the blue UltraPad interior. One time Joe, one time. All the rest of the drop tests showed no touching, not one of them. I have Adobe Premiere now same as you and can zoom in and in no other spot in the 10 minute video do the cues touch at either end of our tubes.