Why do I have the distinct feeling of having seen this movie before?
"It's like déjà vu all over again."
Yogi Berra
Lou Figueroa
Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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Why do I have the distinct feeling of having seen this movie before?
"It's like déjà vu all over again."
Yogi Berra
Lou Figueroa
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I see you haven't learned anything about proof during your absence.
pj <- same ol' same ol'
chgo
The only proof we have learned from you is no proof will ever be good enough.
Any proof would be good enough - you guys just don't know what a proof is. (Hint: "Look, I can make shots!" isn't it.)
Remember, I'm not talking about proof that CTE helps its users (I grant that) - I'm talking about how it does that. It doesn't do it without the need for "feel".
pj
chgo
So anyone who questions anything you say is part of a collective with one peculiar mindset, even though, some proponents of your system and even yourself, have admitted to subconscious adjustments or the possibility thereof?
You've confirmed in this thread, exactly what critics have espoused for years, and yet you arrogantly degrade those who predicted what it has taken you years to even consider.
And note, because you seem to be unable to comprehend specific arguments, that almost all critics of various bombastic claims, have noted several mechanisms by which CTE methods might assist players. Those thoughts pretty much mirror what you have stated in this thread... along the lines of, what does it matter if it works for some.
Apart from that, lighten up, and best regards,
Colin
It's hard to prove something to someone, and that would be you, that has no understanding of the system in the first place.
Why pick on John? Have u seen the comments from Satori? All he does is instigate. Hasn't added one single thing, positive or negative to the aiming debates in all his time on here.
I have never and would never say that subconscious anything is NOT possible.
All I have said and continue to say is that using CTE is a VERY CONSCIOUS process. A player who is well versed in CTE is making deliberate conscious choices.
What I have said many times which the "must be subconscious adjustment" crowd REFUSES - talking to you Pat Johnson primarily - is how do you account for the misses in the subconscious adjustment paradigm?
Specifically if you want to say that users of CTE are subconsciously adjusting to the right shot line when they report an improvement in their shotmaking then how do you account for the times they miss? Is their subconscious taking a break periodically?
I mean assuming that a person's stroke is sufficiently good to rule out throwing the cueball off line it seems that you really can't have it both ways saying that SC adjustment is responsible for the makes and misses.
So, for the record I will maintain that using CTE feels like there is NO subconscious adjustment. For every shot faced there is a specific set of steps to perceive the correct visuals and that leads the player to set down their bridge hand on what shot line they will use. For myself and many CTE users this process is deliberate and quick and is not at all in doubt. We don't get down and get up and get down and get up. We perceive the lines as taught and get down with confidence that the shot line IS correct and more often than not it turns out to be correct.
So......IF - and I have said this hundreds of times as well - IF there is some sub (as in unknown and unfelt) subconscious adjustment in that deliberate process it does not matter to the conscious shooter because the RESULTS are an improved accuracy that is clearly measurable.
Ron Swanson
Banned
Cor!!
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Well, If I am not, then please find me some amateur events that I can play in...
I am only allowed to play Open/Pro events and I have won many of them..
I will gladly put my pool resume up against almost anyone, including high runs etc in every game...
I have finished in the top 20 at Derby for the last couple years.. And that's with playing Banks once a year and playing on new cloth with new, polished balls every year..
The only reason I don't play more is because I have a successful IT company..
But to answer your question.. I have beaten almost everyone I've played with in the last 20 years.(in and out of FL)...and I have played them all.. not just good short stops either..
This debate is completely ridiculous. The vitriol is real.
It seems I opened a very big can of worms.
It seems I opened a very big can of worms.
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Not your fault
Its not your fault Sam, let it roll off your back. Its the age old argument of Systems vs. Natural Feel Players. The word System has a black eye because of the absence of.....the word ....feel.
I find it hard to understand why feel doesn't have a place in the Systems of the day and that is what Ive tried to do in my book.
Regardless of that the argument will go on.
Since I have been back to pool I have always been intrigued by guys like Wybrook that obviously have what everyone wants and that is good focus and feel and that is what I am out to promote by laying down a pathway to it. I feel that is where the action of playing pool really is. In case you cant tell I am not a fan of CTE type systems although I guess they help people but there are better ways to learn to play at a higher level where I am playing now although some really good players use CTE and that is undisputed. The hours that it takes to learn it are in my opinion not worth the work compared to what could be better directed and a much shorter path.
I hope my book helps you I would enjoy hearing about your results and I have a few things to add to you when you've given it a test drive that I know will help your vision of what it takes to succeed in a natural sort of way like I play now and I suppose like Mr. Wybrook who obviously plays very well. Keep the faith and develop your own game regardless of peoples prejudices.
Its not your fault Sam, let it roll off your back. Its the age old argument of Systems vs. Natural Feel Players. The word System has a black eye because of the absence of.....the word ....feel.
I find it hard to understand why feel doesn't have a place in the Systems of the day and that is what Ive tried to do in my book.
Regardless of that the argument will go on.
Since I have been back to pool I have always been intrigued by guys like Wybrook that obviously have what everyone wants and that is good focus and feel and that is what I am out to promote by laying down a pathway to it. I feel that is where the action of playing pool really is. In case you cant tell I am not a fan of CTE type systems although I guess they help people but there are better ways to learn to play at a higher level where I am playing now although some really good players use CTE and that is undisputed. The hours that it takes to learn it are in my opinion not worth the work compared to what could be better directed and a much shorter path.
I hope my book helps you I would enjoy hearing about your results and I have a few things to add to you when you've given it a test drive that I know will help your vision of what it takes to succeed in a natural sort of way like I play now and I suppose like Mr. Wybrook who obviously plays very well. Keep the faith and develop your own game regardless of peoples prejudices.
You're kidding, right? Where did you get the ridiculous idea that the subconscious is infallible?
It's this kind of constant misunderstanding of very basic concepts that makes it impossible to discuss any of this stuff with you (and other system "defenders"). You just don't get lots of it - and don't get that you don't get it. It seems to be a growing trend here on AzB.
pj
chgo
Do enlighten us with your short path to pool stardom.
My path to stardom
Don't pay attention to detractors Grasshopper. There is only the truth and it will set you free!!
Don't pay attention to detractors Grasshopper. There is only the truth and it will set you free!!
So set me free. You claim to have a SHORTER path. Enlighten us.
Be the ball
You seem to have a fine aiming system that you seem happy with.....so use it with satisfaction.
You seem to have a fine aiming system that you seem happy with.....so use it with satisfaction.
Sergio is a very, very good player who has been playing since a very young age. His father Joe was also a very long top player in WI. I assume the player you are talking about is Tyler, has is also one of the top players in WI. I wouldnt say that Sergio crushes Tyler as a player, either one has as good a chance at winning on any particular day. Its a little unfair to say that Sergio will crush Tyler, both are extremely accomplished in their own right and both are still young. Check you facts a little better before making outrageous claims.
I used to shoot with an aiming system, but that was replaced with muscle memory and repetition. I'm not sure if that's "feel" as much as experience, but either way, I would recommend that everyone practices until they are this comfortable. It's always smart to walk around the table to view the shot from different angles, but when i'm about to shoot, I call upon my experience to guide the shot.