Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[Colin Colenso]

Are you joking? All of these shots can be lined up with CTE and then either straight BHE or adjusted off the CTE baseline. I can do them all and like you I might need several takes per shot but I can do each and every one, all 25. When I have the time I will spend a day and try to get them all down on video.

Do we get paid double when Stan and Gerry do them too? ;-)

I think 3 of them require significant outside english, you'll have to adjust your aim for them, due to severe over-cutting SIT, or pivot from behind your pivot point to squirt as way of adjustment.

I think you may be in for a shock on at least a couple of them, if you try to replicate the angles I achieved. e.g. Note where the CB hits at the first diamond from the corner pocket on shot #17.

Also, my out takes are available in a 5DVD highlights compilation

But seriously, all the shots took me about 2 x 40 minute sessions using a very early cell phone to record. A few shots took me a half dozen or so attempts, the clue is in where I added a ball to increase the margin.

Cheers,
Colin

 

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The subconscious adjustments you claim are there of course. Since your premise is that they exist my rebuttal is that your subconscious doesn't work then because it sure does work for other people who use CTE per my experience.

John,

Nice escape to imply that you did that covertly.

I'm not so sure I've ever said subconscious adjustments per say... but, I might have.

I'm sure what I have said was in reference to subjective perception being a contributing factor for those shots that do not perfectly fit an A, B, C, visual.

Best Wishes.

 

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I find few people, if anybody, giving so much analysis of the bridge position. I think you've carved out an interesting niche to become expert on. "Good on ya" as they say.

...Ditto...

 

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Again Rick, i use it every single shot. You don't and haven't. Same with PJ. If either of you bothered to learn it then you could at least really speak from experience. You bring up science a lot. You've been presented with a theory, cte, disprove or prove it. With your conviction and high IQ it should be a piece of cake. Or at least post something, a shot maybe, that describes a hole in the system. You think it's there, lets see it.

It's amazing how your demeanor changes from civil polite discussion in PMs to what it turns into in the public forums..

One can neither prove nor disprove things that are abstract in nature with a physical demonstration.

PJ has tried to point that fact out for years. When are you & some others finally going get it.

Best Wishes.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Did we ever figure out what happened to this thread and why?

pj
chgo

 

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Absolutely. CTE also REQUIRES a lot of time and repetition to master. It's not the magic bullet the knockers claim that the proponents claim it is - which the proponents have never claimed.



You shouldn't have stopped listening. Just as Efren was asked how he knows so many incredible shots and his answer was he watches amateurs make crazy unintended shots and then he goes to the table and figures out how to make them intentionally.

You didn't learn whatever method you were conversing with Hal about correctly. It's common to try something like this and not have immediate success and then just throw it away.

Here is a video I did several years ago addressing parallel shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9e6NuNteE

John,

That video can be very misleading. What you did is maintain the outcome angle & shift them up table on the same outcome line.

You did not shift them perpendicular at all. Yes they are parallel lines but the CB & OB are on different points on those lines

Essentially all you did was shoot the exact same shot just with the OB farther from the pocket.

That was all smoke & mirrors if your point was anything other than that you can make the same shot over & over again

Seriously, what was the point you were supposed to be making?

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

 

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Dan,

Patrick just wants to be spoon fed the answers instead of immersing himself in the material and discovering them. If Dr. Dave got a grant to go study CTE and went to Stan and came back praising it then Pat would do a 100% about face on the subject is my guess.

I am not 100% sure what Rick's issues are yet. I think I missed some discussions when I was gone. There was a time when Rick was using CTE on a snooker table and bragging about the accuracy IIRC.

John,

Perhaps you should see a doctor.:wink:

You must have me confused with another Rick.

I have not played on a snooker table in over 40 years.

Best.

PS If you sincerely do not know my single issue regarding CTE after all of this time even before your hiatus, then you really should see a Doctor.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I don't understand your problem.

You clearly don't understand it - even though it's been explained to you multiple times. You also don't understand that it's your problem, not mine.

Say the word and I will have someone in Chicago livestream you and you can go up against Stan in a shotmaking contest for free.

For the umpteenth time, this kind of bet can't prove anything about any way of aiming vs. another. The same is true about your constant calls for video challenges. You don't understand how to demonstrate, test or prove anything - you never have and apparently never will.

But of course you don't make these challenges to prove anything anyway, do you? You're really just in it for the internet drama, right?

I trust we won't need a shot clock to deal with your fidgeting while trying to fidn the aiming line?

I trust I won't have to point out that I beat you while "fidgeting". Seems to be some kind of theme for you, huh?

pj <- here comes another drama bet
chgo

 

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That opening line is a pisser JB, that means hilarious here in Oz.

I know the challenge is not realistic, but if someone is ever heading over here, it's up for negotiation, and.or if I get the the US again.

I respect Stan too and happy to provide advice on what I know regarding going from slight overcut aim to compensating for throw and even swerve using pivoting knowledge.

We may never see eye to eye on various things, but that's not really a bother, as most my friends don't have much more than a vague idea about the range of my opinions and often hold disparate views. It's about finding common ground, not mirrors.

Cheers,
Colin

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[JB Cases]

I think 3 of them require significant outside english, you'll have to adjust your aim for them, due to severe over-cutting SIT, or pivot from behind your pivot point to squirt as way of adjustment.

I think you may be in for a shock on at least a couple of them, if you try to replicate the angles I achieved. e.g. Note where the CB hits at the first diamond from the corner pocket on shot #17.

Also, my out takes are available in a 5DVD highlights compilation

But seriously, all the shots took me about 2 x 40 minute sessions using a very early cell phone to record. A few shots took me a half dozen or so attempts, the clue is in where I added a ball to increase the margin.

Cheers,
Colin

They were all impressive stroke shots.

John,

Nice escape to imply that you did that covertly.

I'm not so sure I've ever said subconscious adjustments per say... but, I might have.

I'm sure what I have said was in reference to subjective perception being a contributing factor for those shots that do not perfectly fit an A, B, C, visual.

Best Wishes.

Almost every shot fits into the CTE visuals. When the balls move so does your body.

Did we ever figure out what happened to this thread and why?

pj
chgo

It was moved to the moderator forum for review. I guess someone didn't like.

John,

That video can be very misleading. What you did is maintain the outcome angle & shift them up table on the same outcome line.

You did not shift them perpendicular at all. Yes they are parallel lines but the CB & OB are on different points on those lines

Essentially all you did was shoot the exact same shot just with the OB farther from the pocket.

That was all smoke & mirrors if your point was anything other than that you can make the same shot over & over again

Seriously, what was the point you were supposed to be making?

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

The video was done in response to a diagram someone posted where they said CTE could not handle these three shots. I.e. it was said that a person could not possibly do the same steps to make these shots. I posted it to show as well as I could that from MY perspective I was repeating the same motions on each shot.

John,

Perhaps you should see a doctor.:wink:

You must have me confused with another Rick.

I have not played on a snooker table in over 40 years.

Best.

PS If you sincerely do not know my single issue regarding CTE after all of this time even before your hiatus, then you really should see a Doctor.

Sounds like I do and for that I apologize.

You clearly don't understand it - even though it's been explained to you multiple times. You also don't understand that it's your problem, not mine.


For the umpteenth time, this kind of bet can't prove anything about any way of aiming vs. another. The same is true about your constant calls for video challenges. You don't understand how to demonstrate, test or prove anything - you never have and apparently never will.

But of course you don't make these challenges to prove anything anyway, do you? You're really just in it for the internet drama, right?


I trust I won't have to point out that I beat you while "fidgeting". Seems to be some kind of theme for you, huh?

pj <- here comes another drama bet
chgo

Pat, I know you won't DO ANYTHING. I only post these challenges because I know you won't ever take them. Yes you "beat" me a few games at midnight right after I got off the plane. You have never beaten me gambling and you never will.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

You have never beaten me gambling and you never will

Right on both counts - we've never gambled, and we never will.

pj
chgo

 

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They were all impressive stroke shots.

Almost every shot fits into the CTE visuals. When the balls move so does your body. Did you note that I said 'perfectly' & you had to know that I meant totally objectively with no subjective perception input.

It was moved to the moderator forum for review. I guess someone didn't like.

The video was done in response to a diagram someone posted where they said CTE could not handle these three shots. I.e. it was said that a person could not possibly do the same steps to make these shots. I posted it to show as well as I could that from MY perspective I was repeating the same motions on each shot. I would think that they meant the 3 shots of the 3 shot perception video of Stan's with the large colored balls that is basically the same as the 5 shots perception video. Your set up was NOTHING like those as each of those require a completely different outcome angle supposedly obtained from the exact same visual & same pivot.

Sounds like I do and for that I apologize. No problem. We all make mistakes & can easily be done without a visual reference. Especially by men as we are the more visual of the species.


Pat, I know you won't DO ANYTHING. I only post these challenges because I know you won't ever take them. Yes you "beat" me a few games at midnight right after I got off the plane. You have never beaten me gambling and you never will.

Please the Blue Text.

 

[cookie man]

It's amazing how your demeanor changes from civil polite discussion in PMs to what it turns into in the public forums..

One can neither prove nor disprove things that are abstract in nature with a physical demonstration.

PJ has tried to point that fact out for years. When are you & some others finally going get it.

Best Wishes.

We get it, but you keep bringing it up

 

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We get it, but you keep bringing it up

You've now joined an rather elite group.

 

[daphish1]

There's too much noise for anyone to consciously use CTE and think that much and play well. I don't believe you'll see someone calling out their aim points in a match and being successful against an equally skilled opponent.when people shoot their best they are in the zone, unconscious, in dead stroke. They get to the table and balls just fall.

I actually use at least a form of CTE, I purchased Stan's video. It improved my game more in making me think about a preshot routine then how to aim a shot. Colin mentioned it in a post about landing the bridge hand within milimeters, there is no system that will teach you that type of accuracy. Especially by doing airpivots, too many moving parts for that type of accuracy. Not saying you won't get close but that level of refinement will be thru experience and not just picking the correct aiming line.

Pool is too complex a game to just hit center pocket, how does CTE teach you to aim for parts of the pocket. I firmly believe the better the player the more accurate they aim to the pocket. Not just left. Right. Center.

(I'm a whole pocket player , I got that kinda accuracy )

 

[Neil]

There's too much noise for anyone to consciously use CTE and think that much and play well. I don't believe you'll see someone calling out their aim points in a match and being successful against an equally skilled opponent.when people shoot their best they are in the zone, unconscious, in dead stroke. They get to the table and balls just fall.

I actually use at least a form of CTE, I purchased Stan's video. It improved my game more in making me think about a preshot routine then how to aim a shot. Colin mentioned it in a post about landing the bridge hand within milimeters, there is no system that will teach you that type of accuracy. Especially by doing airpivots, too many moving parts for that type of accuracy. Not saying you won't get close but that level of refinement will be thru experience and not just picking the correct aiming line.

Pool is too complex a game to just hit center pocket, how does CTE teach you to aim for parts of the pocket. I firmly believe the better the player the more accurate they aim to the pocket. Not just left. Right. Center.

(I'm a whole pocket player , I got that kinda accuracy )

When you become proficient in using it, it is automatic.(yes, it is thru experience that one learns it) When done correctly (that is what practice is for), the air bridge is very accurate in placing the bridge hand. In fact, it gives you a precise place to place your bridge hand.

Aiming for parts other than center of pocket is simple. The system gives you center pocket, then you just adjust from that aim line a hair. Have you seen the videos of Gerry playing using it?

 

[JB Cases]

There's too much noise for anyone to consciously use CTE and think that much and play well. I don't believe you'll see someone calling out their aim points in a match and being successful against an equally skilled opponent.when people shoot their best they are in the zone, unconscious, in dead stroke. They get to the table and balls just fall.

I actually use at least a form of CTE, I purchased Stan's video. It improved my game more in making me think about a preshot routine then how to aim a shot. Colin mentioned it in a post about landing the bridge hand within milimeters, there is no system that will teach you that type of accuracy. Especially by doing airpivots, too many moving parts for that type of accuracy. Not saying you won't get close but that level of refinement will be thru experience and not just picking the correct aiming line.

Pool is too complex a game to just hit center pocket, how does CTE teach you to aim for parts of the pocket. I firmly believe the better the player the more accurate they aim to the pocket. Not just left. Right. Center.

(I'm a whole pocket player , I got that kinda accuracy )

Um....I don't call them out loudly but I certainly sometimes talk to myself and will verbally say the aim when playing matches.

I won 1400 last week so does that count as successful?

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[JB Cases]

It is the hair that broke the knockers bankroll Neil.

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Um....I don't call them out loudly but I certainly sometimes talk to myself and will verbally say the aim when playing matches.

I won 1400 last week so does that count as successful?

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John,

You keep bragging about winning $1400 dollars as though it is some kind of verification for CTE, yet you lost $10,000 to Lou.

Can we list everyone in the country that won money last week that does not use CTE & say that CTE lost overall?

I'm not serious. I'm just trying to show how ridiculous you are being sometimes.

If that's how you want to look, naturally, it's your choice.

Best Wishes.

 

[JB Cases]

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John,

You keep bragging about winning $1400 dollars as though it is some kind of verification for CTE, yet you lost $10,000 to Lou.

Can we list everyone in the country that won money last week that does not use CTE & say that CTE lost overall?

I'm not serious. I'm just trying to show how ridiculous you are being sometimes.

If that's how you want to look, naturally, it's your choice.

Best Wishes.

Ok well lifetime since adopting CTE I have won MORE THAN $10,000. Is that good for you?

I just posted the $1400 because it's the freshest series of wins AND it was relevant at that moment in the discussion.

P.S. I didn't lose to Lou BECAUSE of CTE. In fact it was BECAUSE of CTE that I was able to win at all given my mental and physical state in that match. I was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE example of a pool player in general and not a good representative of CTE at all. Which goes to show you that JUST USING CTE IS NOT A CURE FOR OTHER BAD HABITS.

P.P.S. If you do want to make a CTE money list then you would need to know the following information: Who played and for how much? Which player uses CTE as an aiming method and what does the other player use? If both players do NOT use CTE then the results don't go on the money list. If one does and the other doesn't then the results are recorded.

I am pretty sure that in the CTE player vs. non-cte player matches the CTE player will come out on top more often UNLESS the other player has a good aiming method as well and all else is equal. Obviously ME, cte user, vs. random pro non-aiming-system user will result in me losing more often due to the many other factors we have discussed many times.