Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[lfigueroa]

Then where's the evidence for cte? Just sounds like a bunch of opinions to me.

Still waiting for you guys to go pro.

There is no evidence. It would be like me claiming I can see little green men on the table pointing to the aim spot. So then, if I run a 100 I can say, "See! The little green men are there."

It's absolutely ridiculous.

Just think of how everyone sets up different. No two players are seeing the shots the same way much less all the stuff CTErs claim.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

All they did was state an opinion, no real evidence

Dave, if I post a picture of the arena and mark where all us were sitting I'd bet $100,000 that no one sitting where they were could hear ANYTHING said between myself, my wife and Dennis. Especially if our voices were low which they were out of courtesy to Lou when it was his turn.

Furthermore the place where I was sitting was far enough away that there was NO WAY to carry on any kind of conversation and especially not one that would be needed to coach someone in one pocket.

Lastly, for the last time, Dennis Spears speaks in a garbled manner. It is difficult to understand him in normal conversation much less when he is whispering while trying to coach someone on the sly.

The whole thing is preposterous. Dennis was sitting there encouraging me to stay focused on locking him down and "getting the money" which is Dennis' favorite saying.

He was vocal when I made a good shot and had a pained look when I sold out.

Lou wants to rewrite history to have some reason to account for the fact that I played like a dog and he still couldn't put me down. Had I played my normal game I would have crushed him and I will crush him should we ever match up again. But we won't match up again because I know he will refuse when I show up with the money.

Next month I will likely have 20k to make a challenge. I shouldn't do it because that money can be better spent on my business but I think the time is right. So he will get an invitation to come to Oklahoma City and play a 10 ahead set for 20k. We will see what happens then. I will put the challenge on AZB when I can post the money.

We can get a private room with one camera to stream it and no commentary and no one else but us.

 

[one stroke]

Dave, if I post a picture of the arena and mark where all us were sitting I'd bet $100,000 that no one sitting where they were could hear ANYTHING said between myself, my wife and Dennis. Especially if our voices were low which they were out of courtesy to Lou when it was his turn.

Furthermore the place where I was sitting was far enough away that there was NO WAY to carry on any kind of conversation and especially not one that would be needed to coach someone in one pocket.

Lastly, for the last time, Dennis Spears speaks in a garbled manner. It is difficult to understand him in normal conversation much less when he is whispering while trying to coach someone on the sly.

The whole thing is preposterous. Dennis was sitting there encouraging me to stay focused on locking him down and "getting the money" which is Dennis' favorite saying.

He was vocal when I made a good shot and had a pained look when I sold out.

Lou wants to rewrite history to have some reason to account for the fact that I played like a dog and he still couldn't put me down. Had I played my normal game I would have crushed him and I will crush him should we ever match up again. But we won't match up again because I know he will refuse when I show up with the money.

Next month I will likely have 20k to make a challenge. I shouldn't do it because that money can be better spent on my business but I think the time is right. So he will get an invitation to come to Oklahoma City and play a 10 ahead set for 20k. We will see what happens then. I will put the challenge on AZB when I can post the money.

We can get a private room with one camera to stream it and no commentary and no one else but us.

Is that like you would take all bets the day of the match after you spent a yr talking about how you would crush him
bragging how you were hanging with guys who would mop the floor with Lou and even getting a CTE tuneup at Stans



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[ENGLISH!]

Ok. Glad we cleared that up.

Yeah John. It really would be nice if everyone were clear about that & did not violate it... nearly constantly.

Best Wishes.

 

[JB Cases]

Is that like you would take all bets the day of the match after you spent a yr talking about how you would crush him
bragging how you were hanging with guys who would mop the floor with Lou and even getting a CTE tuneup at Stans



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Things change. I was good with doing 10k due to circumstances I have explained many times. I was hanging with guys who would crush Lou. I did go to Stan's. So what? Day of things don't always go as planned.

A week before the match Joey A thrummed me in New Orleans. I told Joey I didn't feel ready and was thinking about not playing and just forfeiting the 3k posted. But I stepped up and played anyway and I screwed it all up by letting myself get bothered by the whole situation and some of the people there. Plus I was a fool to schedule it a day after the Super Billiards Expo. At 47 I don't recuperate from those shows as easily as I once did.

But the bottom line is I played a one pocket match for 10k and all but $600 of it was my money. I didn't have to manipulate anyone and use people to act friendly to make the match, I didn't have to hustle anyone. I said I would play and I played.

That puts me in a very elite group on AZB's forums. The group that steps into the box and puts their money where their mouth is. I know what I did wrong to lose that match and I won't do it again. Since that time I have booked far more winners and won more than $10,000 in the 2.5 years since the match. So lesson learned and paid for.

 

[JB Cases]

Yeah John. It really would be nice if everyone were clear about that & did not violate it... nearly constantly.

Best Wishes.

Would be great if everyone could speak just the way everyone else wants them to.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Until someone figures out how to put perspective and how the eyes actually see into a formula [a geometric explanation of CTE] will never happen.

I've never heard CTE's "visuals" directly described in words - I've only heard that the CTE line and the "aimpoint line" are used in some unclear way to "acquire the visual" - which seems to mean learning through lots of practice what "looks right".

To me that sounds fundamentally like every other way of aiming, just with its own concept and routine. Don't get me wrong - concept and routine are important to all methods; they determine whether a method is a good "fit" for a player, whether it best facilitates the conscious and subconscious aspects of aiming. I think CTE is a good facilitator for its users, just as other methods are good facilitators for others.

Fortunately, the formula is not required to become expert at using the system.

That's pretty clear from the number of good players benefiting from it. I don't doubt its objective value to those it fits - I only doubt the objectivity of their claims of feel-free aiming.

pj
chgo

 

[Neil]

I've never heard CTE's "visuals" directly described in words - I've only heard that the CTE line and the "aimpoint line" are used in some unclear way to "acquire the visual" - which seems to mean learning through lots of practice what "looks right".

To me that sounds fundamentally like every other way of aiming, just with its own concept and routine. Concept and routine are important to all methods - they determine whether a method is a good "fit" for a player, whether it best facilitates the conscious and subconscious aspects of aiming. I think CTE is a good facilitator for its users, just as other methods are good facilitators for others.


That's pretty clear from the number of good players benefiting from it. I don't doubt its objective value to those it fits - I only doubt the objectivity of their claims of feel-free aiming.

pj
chgo

Well, Pat, it's not our fault that you haven't seen or heard it in words. It's been stated many times on here, and there are real clear videos describing it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Well, Pat, it's not our fault that you haven't seen or heard it in words. It's been stated many times on here, and there are real clear videos describing it.

Yes, there's a vast record of what's been said about it - and I invite you or anybody to show us one of those real clear descriptions (preferably a succinct one).

pj
chgo

 

[Neil]

Yes, there's a vast record of what's been said about it - and I invite you or anybody to show us one of those real clear descriptions (preferably a succinct one).

pj
chgo

Here's one that showcases what you have been doing and saying wrong all along.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyCSgUtLKdk

 

[lfigueroa]

Dave, if I post a picture of the arena and mark where all us were sitting I'd bet $100,000 that no one sitting where they were could hear ANYTHING said between myself, my wife and Dennis. Especially if our voices were low which they were out of courtesy to Lou when it was his turn.

Furthermore the place where I was sitting was far enough away that there was NO WAY to carry on any kind of conversation and especially not one that would be needed to coach someone in one pocket.

Lastly, for the last time, Dennis Spears speaks in a garbled manner. It is difficult to understand him in normal conversation much less when he is whispering while trying to coach someone on the sly.

The whole thing is preposterous. Dennis was sitting there encouraging me to stay focused on locking him down and "getting the money" which is Dennis' favorite saying.

He was vocal when I made a good shot and had a pained look when I sold out.

Lou wants to rewrite history to have some reason to account for the fact that I played like a dog and he still couldn't put me down. Had I played my normal game I would have crushed him and I will crush him should we ever match up again. But we won't match up again because I know he will refuse when I show up with the money.

Next month I will likely have 20k to make a challenge. I shouldn't do it because that money can be better spent on my business but I think the time is right. So he will get an invitation to come to Oklahoma City and play a 10 ahead set for 20k. We will see what happens then. I will put the challenge on AZB when I can post the money.

We can get a private room with one camera to stream it and no commentary and no one else but us.

I heard you getting coached near the end of the last game the first night. That's why I said something to Ed.

And IF we play again we will negotiate -- you don't get to dictate diddly-do-da, starting with the locale. I flew to you last time. Next time you will come to me.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Is that like you would take all bets the day of the match after you spent a yr talking about how you would crush him
bragging how you were hanging with guys who would mop the floor with Lou and even getting a CTE tuneup at Stans



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IF we play again the rail needs to make JB post every cent.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Things change. I was good with doing 10k due to circumstances I have explained many times. I was hanging with guys who would crush Lou. I did go to Stan's. So what? Day of things don't always go as planned.

A week before the match Joey A thrummed me in New Orleans. I told Joey I didn't feel ready and was thinking about not playing and just forfeiting the 3k posted. But I stepped up and played anyway and I screwed it all up by letting myself get bothered by the whole situation and some of the people there. Plus I was a fool to schedule it a day after the Super Billiards Expo. At 47 I don't recuperate from those shows as easily as I once did.

But the bottom line is I played a one pocket match for 10k and all but $600 of it was my money. I didn't have to manipulate anyone and use people to act friendly to make the match, I didn't have to hustle anyone. I said I would play and I played.

That puts me in a very elite group on AZB's forums. The group that steps into the box and puts their money where their mouth is. I know what I did wrong to lose that match and I won't do it again. Since that time I have booked far more winners and won more than $10,000 in the 2.5 years since the match. So lesson learned and paid for.

From all that you have said here -- you have absolutely no clue why you lost that match, lol.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Yes, there's a vast record of what's been said about it - and I invite you or anybody to show us one of those real clear descriptions (preferably a succinct one).

pj
chgo

There are none. There are nothing but excuses as to why "perceptions" can't be explained, diagramed, etc. It's a joke and and why anyone would invest any time trying to incorporate all the gyrations proscribed for this "system" is beyond me.

See the shot, shoot the shot, learn the shot. Learn the basics: the angles, spins, speeds, and elevations, then learn to apply them to individual shots. Learn the principles involved and deploy them. Learn a repeatable PSR. Learn to stroke straight. Don't waste your time with gobbdegook.

Lou Figueroa

 

[one stroke]

Things change. I was good with doing 10k due to circumstances I have explained many times. I was hanging with guys who would crush Lou. I did go to Stan's. So what? Day of things don't always go as planned.

A week before the match Joey A thrummed me in New Orleans. I told Joey I didn't feel ready and was thinking about not playing and just forfeiting the 3k posted. But I stepped up and played anyway and I screwed it all up by letting myself get bothered by the whole situation and some of the people there. Plus I was a fool to schedule it a day after the Super Billiards Expo. At 47 I don't recuperate from those shows as easily as I once did.

But the bottom line is I played a one pocket match for 10k and all but $600 of it was my money. I didn't have to manipulate anyone and use people to act friendly to make the match, I didn't have to hustle anyone. I said I would play and I played.

That puts me in a very elite group on AZB's forums. The group that steps into the box and puts their money where their mouth is. I know what I did wrong to lose that match and I won't do it again. Since that time I have booked far more winners and won more than $10,000 in the 2.5 years since the match. So lesson learned and paid for.

This is truly like reading the comics ,, I'm sure theres some that are impressed by the money you spend to get attention whether it be by a 10 k match or a free case for what ever to you its all well spent money if it keeps you on the front page

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[Colin Colenso]

Stroke is a separate issue. The shot line for a pure centerball hit is an extremely narrow corridor. If the shooter is not on this line then the only way to make the ball is to throw the cueball INTO that line somehow.

In this video below I show how a player can aim wrong and yet still make the object ball.

https://youtu.be/TKCDjPgtCwE?list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9

Stroking to the right does not necessarily send the OB to the left as you state in the video JB.

If you're bridging behind the effective pivot point, stroking to the right will squirt the CB left of the aim, and hence the OB to the right.

On these slow type roll in shots, the bridge is nearly always significantly shorter than the effective pivot point however.

This is one reason pros avoid these roll in type shots, unless the shot is pretty simple. They magnify stroke errors.

Note: This may not hold true in the case of bridge movement during the stroke, which often occurs if there is significant body movement.

Cheers,
Colin

 

[cookie man]

Then where's the evidence for cte? Just sounds like a bunch of opinions to me.

Still waiting for you guys to go pro.

The evidence is all out there. Anything specific you want?

 

[cookie man]

Dave, if I post a picture of the arena and mark where all us were sitting I'd bet $100,000 that no one sitting where they were could hear ANYTHING said between myself, my wife and Dennis. Especially if our voices were low which they were out of courtesy to Lou when it was his turn.

Furthermore the place where I was sitting was far enough away that there was NO WAY to carry on any kind of conversation and especially not one that would be needed to coach someone in one pocket.

Lastly, for the last time, Dennis Spears speaks in a garbled manner. It is difficult to understand him in normal conversation much less when he is whispering while trying to coach someone on the sly.

The whole thing is preposterous. Dennis was sitting there encouraging me to stay focused on locking him down and "getting the money" which is Dennis' favorite saying.

He was vocal when I made a good shot and had a pained look when I sold out.

Lou wants to rewrite history to have some reason to account for the fact that I played like a dog and he still couldn't put me down. Had I played my normal game I would have crushed him and I will crush him should we ever match up again. But we won't match up again because I know he will refuse when I show up with the money.

Next month I will likely have 20k to make a challenge. I shouldn't do it because that money can be better spent on my business but I think the time is right. So he will get an invitation to come to Oklahoma City and play a 10 ahead set for 20k. We will see what happens then. I will put the challenge on AZB when I can post the money.

We can get a private room with one camera to stream it and no commentary and no one else but us.

Yea it's kinda funny that people across the room make a judgement without ever hearing a single word. Did Lou not talk to anyone the entire match.

 

[cookie man]

I've never heard CTE's "visuals" directly described in words -

pj
chgo

Like I've always said, you have no real experience with cte, in fact you know very little about it.

 

[Banks]

The evidence is all out there. Anything specific you want?

Pull up the evidence where it it's not just somebody saying that it works. I'll wait another few years.