Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
I used to be a diehard "feel" and Million Balls" guy. In fact I wouldn't even OPEN any thread about aiming systems because I thought I had no need for them and they were all complicating an easy point and shoot game.

Then one day out of the blue my friend Bob calls me and says Hal Houle is in Denver and wants to meet you. I said Hal WHO? He said Hal Houle the aiming guy. Well I knew the name because of the aiming threads on RSB but like I said I never opened them. But it was an excuse to play hooky from work and go to Denver to play pool and get in action.

So I go down to Paradise Billiards in the mid-afternoon and meet Bob Johnson (who can and will corroborate this story) and am introduced to Hal Houle. Hal immediately accosts me with a printout of a post I made in a thread sometime in the past. In it he has highlighted a sentence. The post was a response to someone asking about aiming and I had responded that I read in Billiards Digest (or some other magazine) that Johnny Archer said he aims at the GB center and uses his tip to estimate where that is.

I was only posting to be helpful, I didn't even use GB. Anyway this big old man is telling me Johnny doesn't aim that way and the pros won't tell you the truth about how they aim and on and on. He says Earl aims like this...and Efren like this... demonstrating several methods.

I look at Bob and am like WTF??? Bob just smiles. So I hoped someone would come in whom I could match up with and have an excuse to get away from this kook. But no one came in to rescue me. So Hal finally after ten minutes or so says to me I should set up a shot I have trouble with. I do and he tells me to divide the CB into two sections and the OB into three and line the sections up in certain way. Looks and feels very strange and of course the first couple times I completely blow the shot. But since I am trapped I resign myself to giving it an honest try. So I really try to focus and follow his directions and I get down on the shot even though it feels completely wrong. Hal says shoot it and I do and the ball rockets down the rail cleanly and goes in.

I was surprised to say the least. And I did it again and again. Best results I had EVER had on that shot. So then we moved to other shots and Hal continued to instruct me. He showed me several methods but only one stuck with me. We spent about four hours and he was getting really tired so we said our goodbyes. I never saw him in person again but spoke on the phone several times.

I went home and got on my table, a tight barbox, to try this out and see if it was real or whether I was hypnotized. The results were the same to my continued amazement. There is more but I am trying to keep it short. The end result was that I did a 100% flip that day and realized there is a lot more to aiming (and to pool playing) than I thought. I understood then that I could hit another million balls and likely would not have figured out how to aim that way.

Since then I have put a LOT of thought into the why and how these methods work or don't and less actual table time but enough to be proficient and see clear results. So respectfully I can understand your position because I was there but I fully disagree with you because I was lucky enough that Hal chose me to prove wrong on his trip through Denver.
 
Who needs an aiming system? We all know that the cue makes the player. So, buy a Predator or an OB cue and you'll be golden. Oh, you also need a glove, some Kamui chalk, and the cue must weigh exactly 18.57309293 ounces and have iridium joint and butt collars.

Maybe I should re-iterate this ^^^
 
Dont forget to make sure you are following the correct exercise program, and you need to be wearing the correct shoes as well. Very important.

Forgive me for my blunder. Now I must receive ten lashings for my mistake lol.

Also, we can't forget the shoelaces; they must be made by Hustlin USA, and had to be blessed in Mosconi's bath water.
 
I used to be a diehard "feel" and Million Balls" guy. In fact I wouldn't even OPEN any thread about aiming systems because I thought I had no need for them and they were all complicating an easy point and shoot game.

Then one day out of the blue my friend Bob calls me and says Hal Houle is in Denver and wants to meet you. I said Hal WHO? He said Hal Houle the aiming guy. Well I knew the name because of the aiming threads on RSB but like I said I never opened them. But it was an excuse to play hooky from work and go to Denver to play pool and get in action.

So I go down to Paradise Billiards in the mid-afternoon and meet Bob Johnson (who can and will corroborate this story) and am introduced to Hal Houle. Hal immediately accosts me with a printout of a post I made in a thread sometime in the past. In it he has highlighted a sentence. The post was a response to someone asking about aiming and I had responded that I read in Billiards Digest (or some other magazine) that Johnny Archer said he aims at the GB center and uses his tip to estimate where that is.

I was only posting to be helpful, I didn't even use GB. Anyway this big old man is telling me Johnny doesn't aim that way and the pros won't tell you the truth about how they aim and on and on. He says Earl aims like this...and Efren like this... demonstrating several methods.

I look at Bob and am like WTF??? Bob just smiles. So I hoped someone would come in whom I could match up with and have an excuse to get away from this kook. But no one came in to rescue me. So Hal finally after ten minutes or so says to me I should set up a shot I have trouble with. I do and he tells me to divide the CB into two sections and the OB into three and line the sections up in certain way. Looks and feels very strange and of course the first couple times I completely blow the shot. But since I am trapped I resign myself to giving it an honest try. So I really try to focus and follow his directions and I get down on the shot even though it feels completely wrong. Hal says shoot it and I do and the ball rockets down the rail cleanly and goes in.

I was surprised to say the least. And I did it again and again. Best results I had EVER had on that shot. So then we moved to other shots and Hal continued to instruct me. He showed me several methods but only one stuck with me. We spent about four hours and he was getting really tired so we said our goodbyes. I never saw him in person again but spoke on the phone several times.

I went home and got on my table, a tight barbox, to try this out and see if it was real or whether I was hypnotized. The results were the same to my continued amazement. There is more but I am trying to keep it short. The end result was that I did a 100% flip that day and realized there is a lot more to aiming (and to pool playing) than I thought. I understood then that I could hit another million balls and likely would not have figured out how to aim that way.

Since then I have put a LOT of thought into the why and how these methods work or don't and less actual table time but enough to be proficient and see clear results. So respectfully I can understand your position because I was there but I fully disagree with you because I was lucky enough that Hal chose me to prove wrong on his trip through Denver.

Talking of hawkers who post the same message multiple times in order to plaster their gaudy products all over the screen, has anyone seen CJ?

:rolleyes:
 
Talking of hawkers who post the same message multiple times in order to plaster their gaudy products all over the screen, has anyone seen CJ?

:rolleyes:

I wish SJD would come back. He and Chuck and Brumback shoot you straight. Just line up and put the ball in the hole. I could be paraphrasing a bit.
 
Chris Bartram had that funny line leasing into his match with Gene too. "One man, no aiming system."

Bartram>Barton when it comes to who I can trust.
 
That would be fine as that expresses your impressions from your experience & it still leaves much to be determined as to the WHY that might be, if true.

The problem is the fact that you would not & do not know when any miss might be truly attributed to CTE instead of your supposed bad stroke.

So... would the basis that you use to decide that the line that CTE brings you seems to be 100% accurate be based on that of your subjective perception of the shot at hand?

If not, then on what else could it be based?

Best Wishes.

We miss because we are human, it happens.
 
Chris Bartram had that funny line leasing into his match with Gene too. "One man, no aiming system."

Bartram>Barton when it comes to who I can trust.

Dude why are you making this out to be some sort of major choice. It's pool. Bartram is a good player but he isn't upper echelon. Darren Appleton uses a system, Shane Van Boening uses a system. If you're choosing who to "listen to" then listen to them.

I am just a cheerleader for CTE and Hal's methods in general.

My question to you though, which I don't think will be answered, is:

Are you actively campaigning to stop people from trying and using aiming systems?
 
Darren Appleton uses a system

Does he actually, though?

I've also thought it came across like Daz was "affiliated" with a system, but didn't really use it in his own game. I know I've seen interviews where he's said he uses feel for the vast majority of shots.
 
Dude why are you making this out to be some sort of major choice. It's pool. Bartram is a good player but he isn't upper echelon. Darren Appleton uses a system, Shane Van Boening uses a system. If you're choosing who to "listen to" then listen to them.

I am just a cheerleader for CTE and Hal's methods in general.

My question to you though, which I don't think will be answered, is:

Are you actively campaigning to stop people from trying and using aiming systems?

What system does Shane and Darren use


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